Astra Militarum Rumors 2022-2023

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**Voss**

RaptorusRex wrote:
Frankly, I’ve always been of the opinion that Rough Riders look best when they fit the Regiment of the main army.

Agreed. These are easy fixes though, especially with so many spare heads roaming about in the range. Its even possible to swap torsos around, and with a bit of knife work, move the lances and hands to other arms.

**Kanluwen**

Wildly disagree. It makes the whole range feel too samey.

The Guard isn't supposed to be all from one single world. Each has a part to play, and a particular strength. While it would have been nice to see Attilans have a "generic" build, it is nice to see that GW is doing more to showcase the amalgated nature of a Guard army.

**alphaecho**

Kanluwen wrote:
Wildly disagree. It makes the whole range feel too samey.

The Guard isn't supposed to be all from one single world. Each has a part to play, and a particular strength. While it would have been nice to see Attilans have a "generic" build, it is nice to see that GW is doing more to showcase the amalgated nature of a Guard army.

It's individual preference and choice.

My Imperial Guard initially consisted of a Command, Infantry and Heavy Weaoon Squad of each of the 2nd Ed metal regiments until I concentrated more on the Mordians. As they grew I gradually replaced the Cadians, Tallarns et al.

I always felt that for the size of the tabletop battlefield, three or four different Infantry Regiments seemed a little out of place.

From a background point of view, Cadian Basilisks with Tallarn Leman Russ tanks and Valhallan Infantry is more authentic than my current Praetorian All Stars combined Infantry, armour and artillery force.

**beast_gts**

Well, this is interesting:

Builds two Defence Lines, each made up of six barricades and a core platform

Spoiler:

(No sprue pics yet)

**BrookM**

As for the Aegis, no sprue pics listed in the store entry. 😒

**diepotato47**

ADL coming as a set of two is… interesting. Certainly makes the model more usable on the table, but GW could have released the kit with half the sprues for half the price, because who is actually going to take two? Good for display though.

**GaroRobe**

The Cadian Castellan with the helmet may be my favorite head of the lot and I'm surprised they didn't show it off sooner. Like the canonness, I love that there are a ton of options. The scenic base being one of the "key features" is funny too.

"Includes a sculpted base for narrative posing"

**ImAGeek**

The Castellan looks like such a great kit and the fact the Commissar is the same price makes it even more disappointing in comparison.

**alextroy**

This Cadian Castilian is what every character sprue should look like. So many options for making the character your dude.

Spoiler:

**MajorWesJanson**

alextroy wrote:
This Cadian Castilian is what every character sprue should look like. So many options for making the character your dude.

Spoiler:

Seeing the boots as separate parts makes me want to do a base with just them, charred.

**BrookM**

Bit miffed that the shoulder guards are not part of the arms, would make magnetizing the model easier.

**GaroRobe**

Just realized that the super exclusive catchan colonel would have been a great proxy for a Cadian Castallen. Not that you can't use the new castellan in a Catachan army, but he wouldn't have stood out as much. Though you would be stuck with a power fist/plasma gun combo

**Kanluwen**

GaroRobe wrote:
Just realized that the super exclusive catchan colonel would have been a great proxy for a Cadian Castallen. Not that you can't use the new castellan in a Catachan army, but he wouldn't have stood out as much. Though you would be stuck with a power fist/plasma gun combo

It's safe to say that we can expect a plastic, generic Commandant tagged model for the various regiments. We've already seen Krieg get their Commandant(albeit in resin)in the update of the Marshal in the FAQ for Imperial Armour.

**Geifer**

GaroRobe wrote:
The Cadian Castellan with the helmet may be my favorite head of the lot and I'm surprised they didn't show it off sooner. Like the canonness, I love that there are a ton of options. The scenic base being one of the "key features" is funny too.

"Includes a sculpted base for narrative posing"

The helmeted officer is my favorite as well. Another example of GW hiding model options for some weird reason, as if they don't want to incentivize as many people as possible to buy the model.

**BlackoCatto**

The idea of Cadian Castellan as a generic character that's only available if you play Cadian bothers me. Very TM.

**Kanluwen**

BlackoCatto wrote:
The idea of Cadian Castellan as a generic character that's only available if you play Cadian bothers me. Very TM.

Wait until you hear about the Death Korps Marshal or special characters like Straken and Harker!

**BlackoCatto**

Kanluwen wrote:
BlackoCatto wrote:
The idea of Cadian Castellan as a generic character that's only available if you play Cadian bothers me. Very TM.

Wait until you hear about the Death Korps Marshal or special characters like Straken and Harker!

Even those sort of bother me these days as well if we are going with this unified be anything Guard thing.

**GaroRobe**

Kanluwen wrote:
BlackoCatto wrote:
The idea of Cadian Castellan as a generic character that's only available if you play Cadian bothers me. Very TM.

Wait until you hear about the Death Korps Marshal or special characters like Straken and Harker!

Not saying you're wrong, but the former was for an entire range of DKK models. They had quarter masters, their own artillery and command crews, etc. The latter are named characters.

But I thought Cadian Castellans were for any army.

"It can be used with any Astra Militarum army, Cadian or otherwise – even the Death Korps of Krieg and the Catachan Jungle Fighters need battlefield command."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/10/the-cadian-castellan-wields-the-guard-like-a-finely-honed-weapon/

**Kanluwen**

GaroRobe wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
BlackoCatto wrote:
The idea of Cadian Castellan as a generic character that's only available if you play Cadian bothers me. Very TM.

Wait until you hear about the Death Korps Marshal or special characters like Straken and Harker!

Not saying you're wrong, but the former was for an entire range of DKK models. They had quarter masters, their own artillery and command crews, etc. The latter are named characters.

And? The Cadian Castellan is "for an entire range of Cadian models" in that same vein.

The point, in any regards, is that it's a goofy thing to complain about. The regiment keywords literally don't matter anymore outside of some extremely specific cases.

But I thought Cadian Castellans were for any army.

"It can be used with any Astra Militarum army, Cadian or otherwise – even the Death Korps of Krieg and the Catachan Jungle Fighters need battlefield command."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/10/the-cadian-castellan-wields-the-guard-like-a-finely-honed-weapon/

Yes, and the Commandant keyworded models (DKK Marshal, Straken, Ursula Creed, and the Castellan) all have "Senior Officer(Aura)" which affects Astra Militarum Core units.

**Dysartes**

Yeah, special characters being special is one thing, but making the only Captain-or-higher generic Officer unit entry in the Codex specifically Cadian is weird.

Like, if they want to call that command rank "Castellan" going forwards? I'm going to grumble a little but it isn't the worst thing in the world.

But either take "Cadian" out of it, or give a generic "Castellan" entry as well, like they did with the Cadian/Platoon Command Squad.

**Kanluwen**

Dysartes wrote:
Yeah, special characters being special is one thing, but making the only Captain-or-higher generic Officer unit entry in the Codex specifically Cadian is weird.

Is it really though?

They relaunched the Cadian range here. It should not be a surprise that the book has more Cadian flavor in it than not.

Like, if they want to call that command rank "Castellan" going forwards? I'm going to grumble a little but it isn't the worst thing in the world.

We already know what it's called for Death Korps, since they got it for free in the IA PDF update.

But either take "Cadian" out of it, or give a generic "Castellan" entry as well, like they did with the Cadian/Platoon Command Squad.

Take a DKK Marshal if you don't want a Cadian one then. In all likelihood? We won't see a "generic" Commandant until we see a "generic" Infantry Squad with all the trimmings or a "generic" Imperial Guard kit.

**H.B.M.C.**

Kanluwen wrote:
Is it really though?

Thoroughly.

This is the book that made planet-specific regiments into Aspect Warriors, so really we shouldn't be surprised.

And we all know that if the Castellan was a Krieg model you'd be complaining about it. The only reason you're defending it (other than it's something GW did) is because you play Cadians, so it inherently benefits you.

**ListenToMeWarriors**

Personally I think the biggest controversy about the Guard codex and model release is the separate ears on the horses of the Atillan Rough Riders. That and the obscene amount of mould lines on the kit.

**hotsauceman1**

Nothing is stopping you from using a different model with the same loadout and base as a counts as cadian castellan, that is what im doing with the catachan col.
There is also nothing stopping you from taking the cadians, painting them different and just saying thet are a different regiment.

**H.B.M.C.**

'Counts As' is never the answer.

**Gadzilla666**

Soooo......is "Cadia" now the equivalent for 9th edition Guard to Black Legion for 9th edition CSM? Just askin'.

**alextroy**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
'Counts As' is never the answer.

Yeah. Having access to 2 Stratagems a non-Cadian Commandant wouldn't have is too much to bear. You must have your own unit that lacks this to make the world right

**H.B.M.C.**

alextroy wrote:
Yeah. Having access to 2 Stratagems a non-Cadian Commandant wouldn't have is too much to bear. You must have your own unit that lacks this to make the world right

I reiterate: 'Counts As' is never the answer.

I don't give a damn about Stratagems. What I do care about is being told that the main level commander in the new Guard 'Dex is Cadian only. What if I don't play Cadians? What if I've never played Cadians? What I've had other regiments my entire life, or my own homebrew, and don't like that suddenly there are specific "Cadian" units in the book?

Did you ever think of that? For even a second? No. Of course you didn't. You just came in for a cheap jab.

Forget Guard. Pretend it's Marines, and the new Space Marine Codex comes with a new Primaris Lieutenant Commander, and a nice new kit with lots of options, but his keyword, for some reason is, "White Scars". I mean... having access to 2 Stratagems a non-White Scars Lieitenant-Commander wouldn't have is too much to bear, right?

Or an Eldar Craftworld.
Of Chaos Legion.
Or Hive Fleet.
Or Ork Klan.
Or whatever bull gak Tau have.
Or...
Or...
Or...

'Counts As' is a terrible excuse for when things get taken away and I am sick and tired of being told to 'just counts as' whenever something is taken away or changed.

I very much doubt you didn't know that's what I was saying.

**Gadzilla666**

"Counts as" is always a bad excuse. Not as bad as "but stratagems" though......

**hotsauceman1**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
alextroy wrote:
Yeah. Having access to 2 Stratagems a non-Cadian Commandant wouldn't have is too much to bear. You must have your own unit that lacks this to make the world right
I reiterate: 'Counts As' is never the answer.

I don't give a damn about Stratagems. What I do care about is being told that the main level commander in the new Guard 'Dex is Cadian only. What if I don't play Cadians? What if I've never played Cadians? What I've had other regiments my entire life, or my own homebrew, and don't like that suddenly there are specific "Cadian" units in the book?

Did you ever think of that? For even a second? No. Of course you didn't. You just came in for a cheap jab.

Forget Guard. Pretend it's Marines, and the new Space Marine Codex comes with a new Primaris Lieutenant Commander, and a nice new kit with lots of options, but his keyword, for some reason is, "White Scars". I mean... having access to 2 Stratagems a non-White Scars Lieitenant-Commander wouldn't have is too much to bear, right?

Or an Eldar Craftworld.
Of Chaos Legion.
Or Hive Fleet.
Or Ork Klan.
Or whatever bull gak Tau have.
Or...
Or...
Or...

'Counts As' is a terrible excuse for when things get taken away and I am sick and tired of being told to 'just counts as' whenever something is taken away or changed.

I very much doubt you didn't know that's what I was saying.

If you never taken Cadians or dont have them, you just take what used to be your company commander and just say "This is a cadian castellan"
It really is a non-issue in this codex considering he has no aura or rules that just affect cadians and can effect every other regiment with orders.