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Coming from a guy named MordianGlory on Youtube. Take with a big bucket of salt. He says he saw some pictures that were shown to him unofficially. Mentions a grainy picture shown on a mobile phone, etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIWlYs5e8Sk

Summary for those that don't want to watch the video:

Spoiler:

So, according to MordianGlory, he's "seen pictures of the new astra militarum models" and they are apparently...
1. Kasrkin - look very true to the originals. Many weapon options, grenade launchers, flamers, plasma guns, melta guns, at least. Respirators, backpacks, hellguns, the shebang.
2. Heavy Weapon Teams - he saw heavy bolter and autocannons. Magazines attached to the side instead of the classic belt fed from a box on the ground. Different shape for front shield on weapons.
3. New "Creed-like" model - thinks it might be Creed's daughter. Long hair up in a bun behind the head. "severina raine-like breastplate". Tactical rock, great coat, more slender, and small banner on pole. Pair of pistols, sash, and power sword - Creed's signature weapons.
4. New Sentinels - Says he saw an armored Sentinel. Sleeker, "like mechs from Iron Harvest" - more like a capsule from Admech. Instead of roll-cage or armor, it has a single armored slit instead of two. Weapon layout similar, side-carry, but mounted higher up. Bigger and bulkier than the current sentinels.
5. New Lord Commissar - "most improved model" in his opinion. Reimagining of the Power Fist + book sculpt model. Foot on an ammo can, heroic pose.

He was also told, but did not see, that Attilan Rough Riders are returning. Unsubstantiated, but it's apparently what he heard. More Attilan style rather than Death Korps style.

He also did not see that the Leman Russ or Chimera were updated, looked like same models.


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We have been teased a Roughrider hunting lance already, so Atilian RR might be a thing, but if the rumour is true it will be a hard pass to me. I'll double up on GSC Jackals, and call it a day.

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 Miguelsan wrote:
We have been teased a Roughrider hunting lance already, so Atilian RR might be a thing, but if the rumour is true it will be a hard pass to me. I'll double up on GSC Jackals, and call it a day.

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Yeah, the Attilan were... not an inspiring model, but who knows what they'll look like now? Would personally much prefer Krieg Death Riders, but we'll see how it pans out.
   
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I'g agree with that. The one Atillan box I did buy was never fully paintedl but I'd be interested in what they could look like in modern plastics. Not that I'd necessarily be in the market for them. My next Rough Rider project is Shieldwolf sci fi camels kitbashed with WA Bulldogs for a GrimDark Sudan Camel Corps.


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I do hope that the Attilan Rough Rider datasheet will not be regiment locked. I have quite a number of cavalry models and would really appreciate to have a datasheet to use with any regiment I like.

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I just want the ability for Rough Riders to take lasguns!!

I don't know why they'd redo the Sentinal. It's a great kit. Goes together well and has all it's options. I don't really know what you'd add to it or why it would need a redesign.
Well... beyond them redesigning it for the hell of it. Which is certainly plausible.

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 Snrub wrote:
I just want the ability for Rough Riders to take lasguns!!

I don't know why they'd redo the Sentinal. It's a great kit. Goes together well and has all it's options. I don't really know what you'd add to it or why it would need a redesign.
Well... beyond them redesigning it for the hell of it. Which is certainly plausible.


I remember back with the 1st version of the Imperial Guard codex in 3rd edition. People would look at me like WTF when I had Rough riders with pistols, lasguns, CCW, and a hunting lance. One of the few units that could have more than 2 weapons back then. Then they'd look at me weird again when they saw a Commissar on a horse. I had to point out the blurb in the rules that stated any commissar attached to the squad got a free horse.
   
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The rumours are interesting, but that won't make me rush to start a new guard army like a new guardsmen box would.

My old Imperial Guard were my biggest 40k army by a long stretch, I just don't want to buy the same old kit for such an increased price.

I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.

New Attilans is the most exciting, I loved those models. I don't like the DKoK so I'm glad they aren't going to look like that.


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Nothing about new regular guard boxes? AM really needs women models in the army (I mean, modern KT traitor HAS women models)

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As fun as that stuff sounds individually, Guard needs its basic infantry sorted out. Would be ironic to get Traitor Guard based on Cadians but somehow on the Imperial side you have to keep using the sucky old models. Krieg needs command and heavy weapon models to get the necessary options. Catachans suck worse than Cadians. And there are so many regiments left GW could do something with. Imperial Guard is one of those armies with a lot of plastic and a lot of cool (mostly tank) models, but that doesn't help one bit if the core of the army looks bad. It's Tomb Kings and High Elves all over again.

It'll be interesting to see how GW envisions Attilans to look these days, provided the rumor is true, of course. I seem to remember that they got updated artwork in an older Guard codex that gave them a more common Guard uniform, possibly with breastplate, and the fur elements were toned down a bit (but still there and recognizably Attilan). I think that would look cool. Make them an auxiliary choice so they can go with other regiments and they should fit in well with other regiments.

 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.


As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.

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 Pyroalchi wrote:
I do hope that the Attilan Rough Rider datasheet will not be regiment locked. I have quite a number of cavalry models and would really appreciate to have a datasheet to use with any regiment I like.

Since Attilan are so aesthetically different to the stock Cadian designs, they'll probably be retconned into <Auxilia> so everybody can take them.
   
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So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.
   
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I've said it before, but GW could get away with doing every guard regiment with a minimum of 5 unique kits per regiment.
-Obligatory special character.
-Command squad
-Infantry squad
-Heavy Weapon squad
-Veteran/Spec Wep. duel box

That covers all your bases from top to bottom. Everything vehicle and specialist wise, is generic across regiments. Hell if they did it right, you could get away with 3 kits per regiment by providing enough gubbinz and weapons to make up the vets and SWS throughout the other kits.

40/50 new SKUs to the range and you'd cover: Steel Legion, Praetorians, Cadians, Catachans, DKoK, Mordians, Tallarn, Attilans (substitute the HWS for RR), Valhallans, Vostroyans all without any gaps. And before anyone complains about that adding too many new SKUS to the catalog, Generic Primaris alone currently have 41SKUs if you include the 3 starter boxes and the combat patrol.

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Chances are we'll see the Catachans and Krieg get the spotlight come next codex, but would love for the aging Cadians to be replaced as well, I remember when they were released aeons ago, in boxes of twenty.

And Rough Riders with shotguns please!
   
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or GW does it like with Horus Heresy models

- heavy weapon box (weapons only)
- special weapon box (weapons only)
- elite/veteran/command box (upgrades/equipment only)
- Cadian, Catachan, Krieg, Tallarn boxes
- additional head/arms/gear boxes (Vostroyans+ Valhallan, Attilans+horses, Mordian+Praetorians)

10 SKUs

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 kodos wrote:
or GW does it like with Horus Heresy models

- heavy weapon box (weapons only)
- special weapon box (weapons only)
- elite/veteran/command box (upgrades/equipment only)
- Cadian, Catachan, Krieg, Tallarn boxes
- additional head/arms/gear boxes (Vostroyans+ Valhallan, Attilans+horses, Mordian+Praetorians)

10 SKUs


Even if it was slightly more expensive to go that route I kind of wish they did that. Like with necromunda upgrade boxes.

Instead of making 8 boxes of intercessor + weapon swap. Would be better to just have intercessor the a close combat upgrade box, hellblaster...etc.
Or with CSM terminator weapons or special or heavy.

 
   
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Isn't there also a rumoured new tank, apparently something similar to the Malcador/Macharius in terms of size?
   
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Isn't there also a rumoured new tank, apparently something similar to the Malcador/Macharius in terms of size?


That's probably what he's referring to as "the Rogal Dorn".
   
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 silverstu wrote:
So when are we expecting these to arrive? Sounds like they could be after Chaos. Valrak reckons Guard/chaos demons are next in line and the leaks seem to line up with that. Just trying to work out when the Leagues are out- looking like later in the year.


I'm not expecting Guard (or daemons after that) until after Leagues and World Eaters, both of which are officially stated as having 'months' of previews before release (or the release of the 'advance force' in the case of Leagues)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/
The Leagues of Votann are coming to Warhammer 40,000 later this year, but there are still a solid few months to go before we get a good look at their advance force.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/blood-skulls-and-butchers-nails-the-world-eaters-are-getting-their-own-codex/
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While both say 'few months,' obviously LoV was announced about a month before WE, so they're likely first.

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.

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kodos wrote:or GW does it like with Horus Heresy models

- heavy weapon box (weapons only)
- special weapon box (weapons only)
- elite/veteran/command box (upgrades/equipment only)
- Cadian, Catachan, Krieg, Tallarn boxes
- additional head/arms/gear boxes (Vostroyans+ Valhallan, Attilans+horses, Mordian+Praetorians)

10 SKUs
I don't think that'd be a good way of doing it. It might work marines, where they all wear the same armour, but part of what makes the guard regiments so great is that the uniforms are so varied.
If you've got a box of generic torsos/legs that you just add regiment specific head/arms too, that's not going to look very good and different regiments are too varied in uniform for there to be much cross compatibility.

Admittedly, a box of special weapons would be useful and would save on scrounging.

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 Snrub wrote:
I've said it before, but GW could get away with doing every guard regiment with a minimum of 5 unique kits per regiment.
-Obligatory special character.
-Command squad
-Infantry squad
-Heavy Weapon squad
-Veteran/Spec Wep. duel box

That covers all your bases from top to bottom. Everything vehicle and specialist wise, is generic across regiments. Hell if they did it right, you could get away with 3 kits per regiment by providing enough gubbinz and weapons to make up the vets and SWS throughout the other kits.

40/50 new SKUs to the range and you'd cover: Steel Legion, Praetorians, Cadians, Catachans, DKoK, Mordians, Tallarn, Attilans (substitute the HWS for RR), Valhallans, Vostroyans all without any gaps.

I think you can cut that down to two, maybe three kits per Regiment by being a bit clever by it, and embracing modularity - so GW wouldn't do this.

- Universal Heavy Weapon sprue/box - like the current one, this just features the weapons themselves, including tripods, etc. No HW crew included, however.
- Command squad per Regiment - if a Regiment is going to have a SC, this includes that model as an alt-build, in the same way Nork Deddog crops up in the Ogryn box.
- Infantry squad per Regiment - includes all Special Weapons, and a lasgun option for the Sergeant.
- Veteran squad per Regiment - I'm less convinced by this one, but it could be an option, especially if not every Regiment gets the same thing. Kasrkin for Cadians being a good example of an alt-Veteran unit.

The Command and Infantry squad boxes could then include the parts for a HWT, minus the weapons themselves. I'd ideally include a HW sprue in the Infantry squad box myself, but I could see why people might prefer a cheaper IS box, then buy however many HW sprues they need as and when they need them.

I'm pretty sure previous background for the Attilan Rough Riders indicated they only raised RR regiments, so they'd get that instead of an IS box, along with the possibility of a mounted Command Squad box - maybe including the parts for a mounted Commissar?

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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 BrookM wrote:
Chances are we'll see the Catachans and Krieg get the spotlight come next codex, but would love for the aging Cadians to be replaced as well, I remember when they were released aeons ago, in boxes of twenty.


Given the fact they just got an upgrade sprue? I don't think new Cadians are coming for at least five more years.

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Weird that you'd redo Sentinels.

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The only reason I could imagine would be that the current Sentinels are too close in look to the Star Wars Walkers and they (for some reason) want something more unique looking.

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Gathering the Informations.

Voss wrote:

Summer looks like Heresy (there's a long tail of releases after the box) and AoS (4 battletomes), so I think fall for LoV and WE, Slaves to Darkness is definitely announced as winter and if we're really lucky, Guard will sneak in before the end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised by 2023. Daemons aren't even in sight yet, unless the plastic DP advertised for StD and CSM will 'count as' their one release alongside their codex.

There's only two battletomes for AoS this summer.

Spoiler:

It's four in Autumn, supposedly:
Lumineth Realm-Lords, Sons of Behemat, Disciples of Tzeentch, and Kharadron Overlords.
Scuttlebutt is no new models for 3/4.
   
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 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.


As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.


True, but Cadia is blowed up. I'd rather they gave us something different but evoking the old look.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Weird that you'd redo Sentinels.



I also find that a bit odd, although I'm certain there was a rumour from some while back that mentioned that sentinels were getting redone, because that sounds really familiar.

I guess if the models are interesting I don't have a problem, but, like others have said, for Imperial Guard I feel like the focus should be on giving people the option for variation of infantry, everything else works when it is ubiquitous in terms of the vehicles.

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 Pyroalchi wrote:
I do hope that the Attilan Rough Rider datasheet will not be regiment locked. I have quite a number of cavalry models and would really appreciate to have a datasheet to use with any regiment I like.

Since Attilan are so aesthetically different to the stock Cadian designs, they'll probably be retconned into <Auxilia> so everybody can take them.


Pretty sure even the old fluff stated that Rough Rider regiments were typically divided up and attached to other regiments. But the official lore on how combined arms forces are formed vary. I've seen lore that regiments will be monofocused (infantry, artillery, tank, etc), but there's plenty of lore about combined arms forces at the company level.

But making them Auxilia makes sense to preclude them getting orders and things like that.

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 Olthannon wrote:
Geifer wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I had hoped the kasrkin are closer to the old stormtroopers, but this suggests otherwise.


As much as I'd love plastic Stormtroopers that are true to the 3rd ed metals, Kasrkin were always going to be very Cadian. That's the point. And truth be told, I'd hate to see Cadian fans get Kasrkin back only to find they look nothing like they should.


True, but Cadia is blowed up. I'd rather they gave us something different but evoking the old look.

Cadia was one planet in a system called Cadia, all of which pumped out soldiers to roughly the same 80-90% rate of population at arms.

There are going to be a lot of Cadians/Cadian descendants out there. We know the Brimlock Dragoons for example follow a lot of Cadian patterning, having been founded by Cadian soldiery.


I also find that a bit odd, although I'm certain there was a rumour from some while back that mentioned that sentinels were getting redone, because that sounds really familiar.

I guess if the models are interesting I don't have a problem, but, like others have said, for Imperial Guard I feel like the focus should be on giving people the option for variation of infantry, everything else works when it is ubiquitous in terms of the vehicles.

There was some scuttlebutt out there that it's to differentiate "Armoured Sentinels" from "Scout Sentinels" more.

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New sentinels looking less like AT RTs makes sense from a copyright perspective
   
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Hmm, maybe I need to buy some sentinels before they potentially go away (because I actually like the current plastic kit).


 
   
 
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