Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ; Pg 233 Slaughterbrutes and Mutaliths have had a Warscroll update

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**NAVARRO**

I need that beetle!

**Chopxsticks**

Not sure how I feel about crypt ghoul treekins... but I like the elf lookin ones.

**Accolade**

His Master's Voice wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
the vast majority of the art is based entirely off of the models.

That's what they want. You're only supposed to illustrate the models, going as far as to not deviate from established proportions too much, regardless of how poorly a 30mm piece of plastic translates to a figure in a painting.

I have to admit I wouldn't mind the art and models tying together better in the Space Marines department. The discrepancies between the art, models, fluff, and gameplay are tremendous. At least with Stormcast, things line up much better.

**streetsamurai**

Neronoxx wrote:
The Skill and loot cards are entirely optional. They are extra cards, but are not required. So no, not every person will want/need them, and even then $5 isn't really an unreasonable amount for a Board Game expansion if you want it.
Second, what's to stop a group from simply writing them down? One person buys the rules, copies them and tada, done. EZPZ. Again, the entire group doesn't need them.
Also, The 'share-it' mentality works pretty good as a business model, eventually people will want their own copy. See pathfinder and most other RPG's.
The quality of the skill cards isn't fantastic, but I remember that they are very similar to the skill cards from Descent. Besides, what would you put there anyways? An art piece of the skill being used? That's all I can think of, and I think it would just look cluttersome.
I hate DLC as much as the next guy, but this isn't bad. If you download the app, you can use 100% of the base contents from the game. If you want extras, you pay. That's reasonable to me, and would be surprised if someone actually found that unreasonable.
Price is meh. At a $1 each most people wont buy all of them, but most people probably don't have all the models for them anyways. Value is, as most things, in the eye of the beholder.

Would I prefer physical cards? Absolutely. So much in fact that i'm making my own, like many others. But lets not forget that 2 years ago we as a community were criticizing GW of not knowing the internet or smart phones existed, and now that they try to incorporate those devices into their product line we ridicule them. Seems counterproductive.

"So 4 players who all want to have acces to all the skills and loots would pay more than 40$ just to have access to 18 poor looking virtual cards. Unless they all play on the same phone, which would make for a very poor gaming experience.
The above is only true if all four Players are idiots.
GW really laid an egg with this application. It would have been much more sensible and convenient to simply release physical cards. And they wouldn't have look like money grabbing pigs in the process. "

Maybe, but anyone paying 5$ for 9 crappy virtual cards is pretty much what you've said, so i wouldnt be surprised to see them acting like that. But to be honest, unless you print you own cards (which gives crappy results most of the time) or share the same phone, it is the only way to put all the players on the same level. BTW, saying that we should not criticize the app cause we were criticizing GW before for not using the internet is a terribly fallacious argument. Doing some half assed overpriced application is Not what i would call using technology effectively. As customer, it is our duty to criticize and boycott poor overpriced products, cause of we dont, the company wont ever improve. Anyway. Im bored about this debate. If some are happy with the application good for them. I have made my point clear enough.

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Davor wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Her first Art for GW:

That makes three Illustrations for GW and AoS.

And I don't like. I think the art needs to go back to the old days and be done by hand instead of computer.

Such a shame GW doesn't use Heavy Metal type artwork or hell what they did for Fantasy and old 40K, not the new 40K art. Blah. Oh well, I guess GW could be going the way of Battletech now, and have crappy artwork. At least they have great minis unlike Battletech.

YeAh. Dont really like it either. The art from the 90's and 00's was much better than that imo. I especially hate the grinning bloodthirster. The ghoul/tree hybrids are interesting though, but it is weird that they seems to have combined the two factions aesthetically.

**Chopxsticks**

Harsh dude.. This is a forum of grown men who buy tiny plastic toys... wouldn't you think we are all kinda idiots..

**streetsamurai**

I wouldn't have used the word if it hadn't already been used first

**Chopxsticks**

Haha, dont take this the wrong way, but that sounds like something my kids say..

Basically I think we all spend money on silly things regardless if it makes sense or not, is worth the cost or not.

**NinthMusketeer**

Kanluwen wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
Looks like it's pretty certain we are getting an infantry dual-kit along with the big beetle.

Because that's what Sylvaneth needed:
A giant beetle and more infantry.

Honestly though, that's what Sylvaneth are and always have been (going back to WHFB Wood Elves); different sizes of infantry. I don't have a problem with them being an 'infantry faction' that uses movement shenanigans ('deep striking' into woods) to compensate for a lack of fast/mounted models. Certainly cavalry aren't ideally suited for dense forest. All that said, what's actually important about Sylvaneth here is they need more units in order to really stand as their own faction; it doesn't matter what they are.

**Nova_Impero**

I cannot wait to see the models from the artwork.

**TiamatRoar**

Why is she on tip-toe? Maybe she's just trying too hard to reach the Bloodthirster's height or something.

That is one very happy greater demon of anger.

**Yodhrin**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Davor wrote:
And I don't like. I think the art needs to go back to the old days and be done by hand instead of computer.

I think people should understand the medium does not equal style or ability.

Mind you, I'm not a fan of those illustrations either, but I'm probably biased.

And yet the digital art we see is almost invariably of a certain style and a certain quality, because while it is possible to replicate more traditional, less "synthetic" looking styles of art using software and a tablet and to do so with a very high level of quality, you can't do it in the sort of time and for the sort of money GW is evidently offering these freelancers. There's also another key difference between the art of GW today and that of yesteryear that leads to the somewhat plastic quality of the modern work - GW used to commission art based on rough concept sketches, descriptions, or general themes, now they show their freelancers a CAD sculpt read to be sent for tooling and say "draw exactly this, make it look kewl, and get a move on". Generally speaking, the more you allow an artist to explore the material in their own way, the better the final result is going to be, and it's no surprise that GW's present production line-style commissioning generates very little art that can stand up to their back catalogue of Adrian Smith, John Blanche and Wayne England era pieces.

**Fugazi**

If I didn't know this was GW, I would peg it as some generic fantasy thing from DeviantArt or someplace. That is some bland, uninspired, and uninspiring work.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Not every piece of art can be an Adrian Smith Chaos Warrior of Badassdom.

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for figures modeled on the covers of tjose old army books GW...

**Plumbumbarum**

Awful artwork, indie computer games have better loading screens than this.

Barzam wrote:
I like the art. It isn't their old, awesome grimdark art, but it gives an odd, bright, vibrant look to the AOS world, which is kind of a breath of fresh air when it comes to GW.

I'll never understand such attitude. If you needed a breath of fresh air, why didn't you go for one of eleventy billion other fantasy games that do a bright, vibrant world.

If the next Alien film came out looking like Legally Blonde, set on a sunny beach with all Aliens shot on sight by sexy life guard and no casualties, what would you say? A breath of fresh air after all those grim stories about ugly people in dirty space corridors?

Seriously, all it does is making Warhammer not look like Warhammer anymore.

**xraytango**

Alarielle has some great gams, no wonder the Phoenix King is so head over heels for her! Can't blame the guy ;-)

**RoperPG**

Plumbumbarum wrote:

Seriously, all it does is making Warhammer not look like Warhammer anymore.

Which, y'know, might be the point?

**angelofvengeance**

I quite like the new artwork GW is showing in their stuff lately. Granted, there are some bad pieces, there's some pretty cool stuff too. John Blanche did concept artwork for Silver Tower. There's some cool pics of Mistweaver Saih, the Kairic Acolyte and the Darkoath Chieftain in WDW121.

**HudsonD**

That's a nice pic alright, but it's barely Warhammer, and it's certainly not Alarielle in there.

**tneva82**

RoperPG wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:

Seriously, all it does is making Warhammer not look like Warhammer anymore.

Which, y'know, might be the point?

Problem being going from distinct to generic.

**RoperPG**

HudsonD wrote:
That's a nice pic alright, but it's barely Warhammer, and it's certainly not Alarielle in there.

As Alarielle is currently a giant armoured seed pod, have to agree with you there.

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

Well, these images are pretty bland and I agree that they don't really feel like Warhammer anymore. (Note, not WHFB, just Warhammer as a whole).

**Vorian**

It's just a different style, It's not like they ate replacing everything with it - we got some more traditional stuff on this theme recently.

Not my cup of tea, but I don't think exploring new styles is such a bad thing

**Mr Morden**

Warhams-77 wrote:
More artwork - links via Lordkane and Lastlostboy on www.gw-fanworld.net

Spoiler:

Source: http://ketka.deviantart.com/art/Spite-Revenants-vs-Crypt-Flayers-Warhammer-612567596

I like it - its bright and shiny but that mostly fits with Age of Sigmar -- I loved the Old World but this is a different universe so fine with the art. Its very High Fantasy/Mythic almost Anima.....

Interesting they were done in 2015...............

Well nice to see some more female figures (finally) in the art

Alarielle looks good - should be a cool model and the Bloodthirster looks angry enough to me.........although bloodletter bottom right looks like he has lost his sword!

The Revenants are interesting - almost like Dryads in mid form shift...............

**Yodhrin**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Not every piece of art can be an Adrian Smith Chaos Warrior of Badassdom.

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for figures modeled on the covers of tjose old army books GW...

Obviously not, and not all the art from prior to the current trend of "DeviantArt-esque" model-only art is great or stands the test of time, but can you imagine, in a few years time, people clamouring for art books filled with the stuff from this period? Would you want such a book, an endless parade of very very similar depictions of only the things which are/were available to buy as models almost exactly as they appeared in model form? Whereas you can go back and select only the good works by just one of GW's older art team and fill a quality coffee table book without an issue, or dedicate such a book to a faction and have a wide range of art styles and subject matter inside including little insights into the faction you wouldn't glean from just the models.

**mdauben**

I like Alarielle and the warriors fighting next to her. I don't care much for the Spite Revenants (the green tree guys). As artwork its okay, but they look more like vampires than elves or Aelves or whatever they are calling them now.

**Mr Morden**

mdauben wrote:
I like Alarielle and the warriors fighting next to her. I don't care much for the Spite Revenants (the green tree guys). As artwork its okay, but they look more like vampires than elves or Aelves or whatever they are calling them now.

Spites were nasty little things in the previous book/s - the word revenant suggests they may be undead so they may actually be something like a vampire - perhaps they are the tree folk of Nagash's realm?

**Necros**

I think the new art looks good, it's a nice change from the usual stuff

**Kanluwen**

Mr Morden wrote:
mdauben wrote:
I like Alarielle and the warriors fighting next to her. I don't care much for the Spite Revenants (the green tree guys). As artwork its okay, but they look more like vampires than elves or Aelves or whatever they are calling them now.

Spites were nasty little things in the previous book/s - the word revenant suggests they may be undead so they may actually be something like a vampire - perhaps they are the tree folk of Nagash's realm?

Eh...I think you're just grabbing onto the "undead" aspect of the revenant part without considering what the term has been used for historically.
In European myth, revenants are those who return from the grave with a specific purpose--usually revenge or to mend a wrong.
To the Greeks and Egyptians, whose myths the European myths were seemingly based upon? Revenants were not "undead", not in the sense that most people think of(shambling horrors and the like)--they were the souls of the deceased returning to reanimate their remains to accomplish a task. That task might have been revenge or to serve as a messenger from the pantheon of gods or whatever.

Kind of a weird distinction I know, but remember the background on Tree-Kin? They were the souls of deceased Asrai who were animating dead tree material to form a body for themselves so that they could continue to protect Athel Loren and their kin--they had nothing to do with the undead or Nagash.
Or heck, remember that the Elf who became Orion was actually slain during the process of awakening Orion, with his heart removed and replaced with an apple from the Oak of Ages and the vines wound about his frame were part of what kept him alive as well.

Wood Elves have always had an element of ritual and revenants to them with no necessity of Nagash or the Realm of Death being involved. I have a feeling that the Waystones we've been told that the Wanderers are placing, which are bringing back the power of Life to the realms, are going to be tied in somehow to these Spite Revenants and Tree-Revenants(that's the name the poster from the recent Open Day used to describe the other set up of Aelf/Dryad mix).

**Sarouan**

I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

**Sete**

Im not art critic. Im just curious to see the minis.
I certainly was not expecting tree ghouls.
And im definitely curious to see the literal wood elves.
Refrshing take. It makes me even more curious too see the new Dark and High Aelfs.