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Posted By Iorek on 03/29/2007 11:43 AM
Dude!  Punctuation, Syntax and Grammar are your friends.  Use them!  While not all of us went to a finishing school, we do have a hard time reading "AIM-speak".

So, Zubbie, Hellfury, et al, want to open up an OT Zone Hobby Shop?

Absolutely not!

I am so sick of you facking nerds who sweat gouda its not even funny. Those of you whom stink worse than an ork rolled in gefilte fish can stay the hell away from me.

That said, if I were to run a club, it would be by invite only.

That way, I can have alcohol and strippers.

So will it be:

• Alcohol, stripper

or

• Nerd stingk in the one place in the world you will not find any sign of females, or even the utterance of the word "female" without the use of the word "boobies" used not onlt synonymously, but in conjunction with Female.

??

I choose invite only strip clubs. Hell screw game shops, just run a strip club with a chamagne gaming room. But remember, you must first roll for reserves before you can gain access to the champagne gaming room.

It must, becuase they CANT sell bits in a click bin, since GW isnt allowing it. No help to the consumer...

Posted By Hellfury on 03/29/2007 5:22 PM

Posted By Iorek on 03/29/2007 11:43 AM
Dude!  Punctuation, Syntax and Grammar are your friends.  Use them!  While not all of us went to a finishing school, we do have a hard time reading "AIM-speak".

So, Zubbie, Hellfury, et al, want to open up an OT Zone Hobby Shop?

Absolutely not!

I am so sick of you facking nerds who sweat gouda its not even funny. Those of you whom stink worse than an ork rolled in gefilte fish can stay the hell away from me.

That said, if I were to run a club, it would be by invite only.

That way, I can have alcohol and strippers.

So will it be:

• Alcohol, stripper

or

• Nerd stingk in the one place in the world you will not find any sign of females, or even the utterance of the word "female" without the use of the word "boobies" used not onlt synonymously, but in conjunction with Female.

??

I choose invite only strip clubs. Hell screw game shops, just run a strip club with a chamagne gaming room. But remember, you must first roll for reserves before you can gain access to the champagne gaming room.

You'd just get your seven hundred Wraithlord wings then quit.

Quitter.

Posted By Bane Lord Tarturas on 03/29/2007 4:19 PM
where are ya getting this from?

If you're referring to my information, it comes from the person that at the time was in charge of trade sales accounts, and who drove down to see their store. He has moved on from GW to another company in the game industry.

named?

Bane Lord, mikhaila isn't likely to share the name of his source, for obvious reasons.

In the past he's given me no reason to doubt him. I trust the information.

Posted By beefHeart on 03/29/2007 11:47 AM
Screw GW... BWB invented a niche that did not previously exist.

...If, by 'invented', you mean 'saw somebody selling bits on eBay and decided to copy the idea', that is

<table width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="afpostbody" colspan="2">Bane Lord, mikhaila isn't likely to share the name of his source, for obvious reasons.

In the past he's given me no reason to doubt him. I trust the information.</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="afpostattach" colspan="2">





ok well head of trade sales isn't a cia operative and pretty much public record
no offense intended here but asmodi one person i dont know on the web telling me to trust another person i dont know on the web really doesn't clear it up for me

neither does the i know this guy argument sooo just want to get my facts straight
besides its hard to say that the guy who told him wasn't lying

hard to believe gw wouldn't sue over fraud but will over copyright infringement</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Copyright infringement is much more worth suing over than fraud.

Fraud you're out a few bucks, usually less than it would cost to litigate. Copyright infringement, if not followed up can cause you to risk losing your IP.

It's a much bigger deal to the company than fraud.

I don't think that there is any fraud to see over. GW had a policy of only selling to B and M stores. When they visited BWB, and decided that they didn't have a B and M location, they stopped selling to them directly. Nothing to sue over.

And they haven't to my knowledge sued BWB at all. Read the release from BWB, they don't mention anything like it, just discussions with a GW Vice President. I'd assume that if they did put pressure on them, it would be in the form of a "cease and desist' letter. Very common, one company writes another and says "Hey, stop that". If the actions are stopped, that's generally as far as it goes.

BWB seems to be making plans to expand their business, open a retail shop, and build a better business. They have an account again with GW, and will probably move a lot of their product. That's the basis for a good working relationship.

I've given out the information that I have, you can believe it or not. I'm assuming that you're associated with BWB, based on your posting history. Your first post was basically an ad for them selling WM/Hoardes, then you got real interested in this thread. If so, you know who came down to visit you. If your not associated with BWB, and just a groupie or something, then you really have no need to know names, do you?

i dunno about that ....i mean im not a lawyer but fraud i believe is a felony where as copyright infringement is a civil court thing

that being said i really dont know much about corp law

i do know that if you acuse somebody of something you should be able to back it up with facts
not i know an un named guy

mikhaela whats your axe to grind with bwb anyway?

i live near them /bought things from them

if they claimed to have a b and m store and didnt
then that would violate any contract made with gw that is
which as i understand it and correct me if i am wrong but that is fraud

It's not really an issue of corporate law (that usually refers to things like capital structure, shareholder protections, incorporation procedures and regulations, etc.). This is more simple commercial law. There's both civil and criminal fraud in most places.

Simply mis-stating on your retailer sheet that you have a storefront is unlikely to be egregious enough for the Crown/DA to want to charge you criminally. It's simply not worth the time unless you're flagrant about it or there's other issues involved. In practice anyway. Technically they could still go after you if they wanted.

For civil fraud (under whatever particular name is most relevant), you'd need to actually show damages.

Not legal advice mind you, and the situation varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

Not sure what you mean. I don't have an axe to grind with them at all.  It's a forum, people discuss things and throw out information, ask questions. I had some information on the situation and threw it out.

hmm been a long day maybe i misread your tone if so i apologize but i really have had good exp with these guys maybe got a little overzealous anyway i dont think there going anywhere i hope not anyway

hoping they start selling skelly bits wanna base my warcaster for warmachine with bones

Posted By Asmodai on 03/29/2007 8:09 PM
Copyright infringement, if not followed up can cause you to risk losing your IP.

That's a restriction on trademarks.  You don't have to enforce your copyright to keep hold of it.  It's yours from the time you publish till 75 years after your death without any requirement to register or defend it.

Bane Lord Tarturas, if you post your shipping address I'll mail you a keyboard that has working shift keys.

got em to lazy to use em

Points for honesty!

We need to ship him some vowels too!

The entire discussion was not whether or not BWB was good or bad, it was why GW was going after them. No one really has it in for BWB, not even GW really. The problem was that they were doing things online that GW does not allow other companies to do online. BWB became high profile enough that GW finally checked in on it all, and told them to follow the rules everyone else has to abide by. No big deal really. Everyone has to follow them at the moment. So now BWB can still do business, and they aren't getting away with something that other businesses can't do.

What would be for sale on the OT store?
I can guess but usualy just wandering into the wastes will see you geting it for free.

Posted By Zubbiefish on 03/30/2007 11:44 AM

So, Zubbie, Hellfury, et al, want to open up an OT Zone Hobby Shop?

What would be for sale on the OT store?
I can guess but usualy just wandering into the wastes will see you geting it for free.

Eye patches (most definitely NOT for pirating)
Soiled ninja outfits
Crackers
Claw hammers
Kosher bread
Pictures of "bunbun" (both the bunny suit and the piercings)
Calamari...LIVE calamari...LIVE GIGANTIC calamari...
pirated clips of television shows produced at the butt crack of dawn slipped in with single frames of penis


You figure out how it works.

Bane Lord Tarturas: Here is some Inside Information 101. Never give out your sources, never give out your sources, never give out your sources, never give out your sources, never give out your sources, never give out your sources.

Why?

If you really need to be told.

1. Someone asking might have a reason to ask, if so more than likely they are the last person who should be told. Anyone 'just curious' doesn't need to know. Say the source was named, lets call him Bob Jackson, what is that to you. Can you source him yourself to verify the info?

2. A source might not want to be outed on the internet, even if there is no danger to himself. Its downright rude.

3. Sometimes, in fact a lot of the time the source does have something to lose. I have posted inside stuff before, I had an in depth look into Ogre Kingdoms a month before release, and posted whatr I read here. No way would I say who lent me the book.

4. If a source has moved on and appears to have nothing to lose guess again. If they have moved elsewhere in the industry (or to be honest anywhere) the new employers might not appreciate a staff member who has a history of giving out inside information.

5. So you are harmless with the information and can be told. No legal issues from you blah blah. You may or may not have noticed (requirment: IQ 60 or higher) that you arent the only person reading these forums.

The ONLY time you mention a source is if they ASK you to credit them with the information, for reasons of their own.

Give your brain a chance.

all very true x-cept he identified his source as the head of trade sales in the past so


1 gw can't fire him he doesnt work there anymore

2. its a singular title so it really isnt that hard to identify since the head of trades sales is a customer service type job identification i could call gw and ask who was the head of trades sales last octobereen and probably get an answer from a secretary

thanx for playing

Then do it. You are starting to sound like a gvment employee. If you have ever posted on ANY board that has to deal with rumours, you would realize sources are only outed when they want to be. Anything else is very poor manners.

Let it lie.

Posted By Buoyancy on 03/29/2007 9:02 PM

Posted By Asmodai on 03/29/2007 8:09 PM
Copyright infringement, if not followed up can cause you to risk losing your IP.

That's a restriction on trademarks.  You don't have to enforce your copyright to keep hold of it.  It's yours from the time you publish till 75 years after your death without any requirement to register or defend it.

You are also displaying extreme ignorance on the subject of IP law.

Yes, you have to actively defend your IP or you can lose it.  IP /= copyright.

Posted By Mannahnin on 04/03/2007 9:18 AM

Posted By Buoyancy on 03/29/2007 9:02 PM

Posted By Asmodai on 03/29/2007 8:09 PM
Copyright infringement, if not followed up can cause you to risk losing your IP.

That's a restriction on trademarks.  You don't have to enforce your copyright to keep hold of it.  It's yours from the time you publish till 75 years after your death without any requirement to register or defend it.

You are also displaying extreme ignorance on the subject of IP law.

Yes, you have to actively defend your IP or you can lose it.  IP /= copyright.

I'd suggest that you re-read the sentence I was responding to.  He specifically states that he is referring to copyright infringement.  You will not lose your copyright on an item if you do not defend it.  You will lose your exclusive trademark if you do not defend it.  You don't have to defend a patent to keep it.  All three forms of IP, but all have very different rules.

Got it. A confusion in terms. My apologies.

Posted By Mannahnin on 04/03/2007 9:39 AM
Got it. A confusion in terms. My apologies.

No problem.

For Mr. Tartarus.

Credibility Rule #1.

When possible, please refrain from using sentence fragments with no punctuation. An internet forum is not a chat room.

EDIT:

Actually, instead of Credibility, substitute, "If you are a new forum member and would like to be taken seriously, please refer to"