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That's not how Israeli citizenship works. All Jews are eligible for citizenship, but are not automatically considered citizens.

Incidentally, I'm not making any assumptions about legal ties. I'm simply stating that there are more Palestinians than Israelis.

Frazzled wrote:Sorry didn't see it. Dogma saw it.

Not a problem, hope you took my teasing in good humour, sometimes that can be lost over the internet.

My response.
Its not, unless the rule of the gun - aka history says they now own it. For example if they build a buffer zone that helps their security-enter this permitere and you're machine gunned cuts down on infiltrators.
Having said that, givng up territory has proven fruitless since the Egyptian agreement. They are still attacked out of Gaza after retreating years ago. They are still attacked out of Lebanon-you know a supposedly foreign country with no reason to attack them.

First up, there’s a buffer zone in place right now. It tightly controls entry into Israel from Palestine. The settlements do not improve the buffer zone, or impact it in any way.

Secondly, the rule of the gun says the Palestinians are going to keep firing rockets into Israel. That’s a basic reality and isn’t going to change no matter what government administers Palestine – as no government has the resources to stop all non-state actors firing rockets.

At which point Israel needs to begin to make choices, and a big one is whether peace is more important than taking someone else’s land. It is dishonest to pretend the situation is anything else.

Frazzled wrote:If you believe those areas were part of Mexico or Greater Aztlan, a whole freaking bunch.

No, you’re missing the point. The war with Mexico was fought, the treaty signed and the new border agreed to. It may not have been particularly fair, but it was settled a long time ago. The land being settled by Israelis right now is land that Israel has no claim to. Israel has signed treaties recognising their borders, and yet there are settlements being expanded right now on Palestinian land.

generalgrog wrote:

sebster wrote:Sure, but how many settlements were built in Mexico by US citizens in the last ten years?

I think you missed the point. To many Mexicans, those states I mentioned are still part of Mexico, and the gringos are occupiers. So in their eyes, any new subdivision, houses is settlement of their land.

GG

If a border dispute that was settled more than a hundred years still has activitsts, can’t you see how intense the issue might be for people who are having their land taken away from them right now, in the present?


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JEB_Stuart wrote:Considering the Hebrews are a people, and by Israeli law are extended citizenship to Israel, I think there is a reasonable argument to be made for them. Besides, you can't assume that every Palestinian outside of Palestine has any legal tie to said nation. If you are going to generalize for one, you are gonna have to extend it to both...

The Palestinian guy at my work who came out here decades ago and never wants to go back... he shouldn't count. But a Palestinian who's lived with his family in a refugee camp in Jordan for 30 years and just wants to return home? He should be counted even if he isn't living there right now.

I never said who should or shouldn't count...that was Dogma. Its impossible to determine just how many should or should not, and that goes for both Jews and Palestinians. I think, for the sake of discussion, we should be more realistic and simplistic, and limit it to the population of both regions...

The numbers don't change much, as the vast majority of the Palestinian people live in the region. Only about 400k living abroad.

Fantastic.

Ahh the Middle East. Like a hotbed of coals, except those coals explode when stepped on. And when they explode, laval shoots out with the explosives, burning everything stupid enough to be there...

/sarcasm off...

Well, we are technically the enemy, so I guess that's ok...