Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

dogma wrote:

halonachos wrote:
Ever hear of a game called "telephone". Because we use technology we have a greater chance of messing things up while using the technology. Sony's online network was messed up simply due to the dates on the PS3 consoles being set incorrectly, result was hundreds of thousands being unable to play online during that time frame. I'm not saying that toyota is like a PS3, just that technology can mess up. So, no it's not idiotic.

So can verbal interaction. What does the word 'locution' mean?

halonachos wrote:
As far as taxes goes, I don't know how tax credits work. I do believe that there is some way it can be worked out, it may be because people are too satisfied with the status quo to attempt to find a way. How has keynesian economics lasted for as long as it has without that many challengers? Again, not an economics major and I doubt wikipedia can help me with that.

Keynesian economics has several challengers. Read up, then you'll learn.

Point goes that difference in location of HQ and factories can lead to quality control issues. I think its mainly because HQ is less likely to send someone out to check on a factory every single day. Sure there's a factory manager and department managers, etc... but one may lie to the other to look good or goof with results to look good.

As far as reading goes, I'm too busy with learning about how things fall and how we make and name chemicals. Biochem FTW! Will have to pick it up someday when I'm richer and have more money to worry about.

halonachos wrote:
Point goes that difference in location of HQ and factories can lead to quality control issues. I think its mainly because HQ is less likely to send someone out to check on a factory every single day. Sure there's a factory manager and department managers, etc... but one may lie to the other to look good or goof with results to look good.

Point goes that you're searching for a way to inviolate the US. Not smart. Your own critique should apply evenly across all corporations, domestically focused and otherwise.

Also, telecommunications are awesome. Learn to use them.

halonachos wrote:
As far as reading goes, I'm too busy with learning about how things fall and how we make and name chemicals. Biochem FTW! Will have to pick it up someday when I'm richer and have more money to worry about.

So, high school?

Isn't Economics and China getting slightly OT here?

AndrewC wrote:To the Brits the IRA were terrorists, but to a significant proportion of the US they were freedom fighters against the British oppressors. So who's right?

Thats easy to answer. a minority fighting against a democracy qwith a majority mandate is a terrorist, even if he has friends in America or anywhere else.

Northern Ireland is part of a democracy. Even Sein Fein admitted that at times, by the back door. In the 70's their main slogan was victory 'by the ballot box and the armalite'. So they admit they have access to ballot boxes, this measn they are in a democracy. When the Republic of Ireland was established six counties of the province of Ulster with a heavy protestant majority were allowed to remain part of crown territories by treaty. The population of Northern Ireland has always been majority pro loyalist. The political administration of Northern Ireland by the Uk is accepted in the UN the EU and is de facto legal worldwide. Any excuse the IRA had disappeared in 1922, to be fair so did the IRA, the IRA we know and love is in fact the Provisional IRA, and since peace with them was established in the 90's we now have the Continuity IRA. Which is a very small group indeed.

Most IRA supporters in the US were and are pig ignorant. Some even didn't know there was a Republic of Ireland. I remember a American talk show host who listened to a five minute briefing for the sake of the radio audience from a political commentator and interrupted to ask that question: Was the republic of Ireland trying to cecede from the Union? No it wasnt a slip of the tongue either.

Up to a point this is our fault in that nothing is done to counter propaganda from plastic paddies. I remember comments in the New York Times about the one extreme sidedness of the state's school education textbooks on Irish history. if you read those books at school you could fairly consider our people as little better than the Nazis and some wanted to give exactly that impression, and resisted all attempts to inject a balance into the curriculum. This plus half baked pro-terrorist or anti-English Hollywood productions, not all about Ireland directly - Braveheart is the most damaging, it has led to a lot of racism and is not in any real way accurate beyond the character and place names.

9/11 was the best thing that happened to Britain in the last decade sorry to say. Once Americans worked out that terrorism wasn't heroic support for the IRA dropped to nothing. after the 1997 peace IRA elements were still bombing, just not bombing soldiers. Some of the worst atrocities occured afterwards, but since 2001 they have been quiet and Adams and McGuiness no longer get the parades they once did. They are no better than bin Laden and may indeed by a whole lot worse, some of the IRA tortures were really really nasty, and they had no qualms about using them on any opponent, even dissidents in the catholci community. If Bin laden surfaced somewhere and was paraded on the Islamic equivalent of St Patrick's day you would be quite upset yes.

I must admit that during all this time some pro-loyalist groups also committed atrocities of their own, they are as much a threat to peace as the IRA and no less cruel. In fact many security operations were directed against loyalist terror groups, and we lost soldiers and policemen to them.

Wow, 6 pages late.

I'm surprised this wasn't spotted before, surely the numbers of boots on the ground in Afghanistan tells you something bleedingly obvious?

British society's getting weirdly weak, I find, when we're faced with a problem that needs resolving with force. I'm not sure if it's a side-effect of liberalism, but if something's worth fighting for - having a safer country, society, governmental model - death is required. Sacrifices made by men/women who know and understand that their job entails risk of injury and death, which they accept but much of the public does not. That's why we can't be fethed to help out.

sA

@Orlanth - You are exactly right, couldn't have summed up the Northern Ireland situation better myself. It's about time the American public understood the truth about what happened over there in NI and why. I actually saw some moron post 'fething brits - get outta Ireland!!!1!!!' on a youtube video the other day! I found it hilarious, but also quite depressing at the same time.

Wait a moment...

Braveheart wasnt accurate?

Surely you jest Orlanth. I mean, William Wallace was of course fluent in three languages and was shagging the French nobility..... right?

No, Braveheart is a futuristic look at how my last weekend was. It's that factually accurate.

halonachos wrote:

dogma wrote:Keynesian economics has several challengers. Read up, then you'll learn.

As far as reading goes, I'm too busy with learning about how things fall and how we make and name chemicals. Biochem FTW! Will have to pick it up someday when I'm richer and have more money to worry about.

Kids these days! No time to learn about economics unless it's on The American Idols, or part of your Hippy Hoppy music videos!

Is the ADM Stradivarius who is in charge of NATO the same guy that wrote the Division Officer and Watch Stander's guides? I thought those (and consequently him) were much older, since they are in like, their 13th editions.

dogma wrote:

halonachos wrote:
As far as reading goes, I'm too busy with learning about how things fall and how we make and name chemicals. Biochem FTW! Will have to pick it up someday when I'm richer and have more money to worry about.

So, high school?

I wish.


I'm not dead yet, but most certainly steril thanks to o-chem.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

mattyrm wrote:Wait a moment...

Braveheart wasnt accurate?

Surely you jest Orlanth. I mean, William Wallace was of course fluent in three languages and was shagging the French nobility..... right?

Every country and nation has its heros and enemies. To some, spartacus was a hero, to the romans he was a nuisance. Same as Wallace, Boudicca, Washington, Khan, Colombus, etc. However, once Hollywood gets it's hands on them, they can shag just about anyone they feel like.

OT though, the problem is with the casualty reports. If the D-Day casualties were reported, most of Europe and maybe america would be speaking German. People don't like it when the "big bad government" sends their fellow countrymen out to fight and maybe die just like people who support the death penalty may not be as willing to perform the actual execution itself.

halonachos wrote:
I wish.


I'm not dead yet, but most certainly steril thanks to o-chem.

I applied to Old Dominion's international studies program. Still waiting on a decision, and aid statement.

I was under the impression that Spartucus was Roman?

He was a slave of the Romans.

Doesn't mean he wasn't roman.

Also, just going to put this out there, but being a Gladiator didn't always mean you were a slave. Sure, for the most part that was the case, but children in the Empire back then would often look at becoming a galdiator in the same way we do at running off and joining the circus. I'm not going to claim a vast knowledge about how the Games worked in depth, but in some parts Gladiators were held in very high esteem. (Even if still only seen as commodities)

Yeh he's a roman slave, but since when was Boudica a hero?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Doesn't mean he wasn't roman.

no point getting into that argument, halonacho never said he was or he wasn't roman...

halonachos wrote:To some, spartacus was a hero, to the romans he was a nuisance.

Spartacus is believed to be Thracian, potentially a centurion who refused to fight against thrace and was enslaved.

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/spartacus.html

No, I am Spartacus.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I was under the impression that Spartucus was Roman?

Uncommon mistake which I heard several times.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Doesn't mean he wasn't roman.

I replied to a question too vague to have an objectively correct yes or no answer in regards to Spartacus ("was he Roman?") with a clarification ("he was a slave of the Romans").

Kilkrazy wrote:No, I am Spartacus.

No, I'm Spartacus!

Emperors Faithful wrote:I was under the impression that Spartucus was Roman?

There's been some historical debate over whether his fathers name was Naughtius Maximus, or Sillius Soddus. Some modern revisionists have pointed to another centurion called Biggus Dickus, but to date, there's little evidence to support this viewpoint.

See the more apparant Python nod after Frazzled's post would have been: "no, I'm Spartacus, and so is my wife!"

whatwhat wrote:See the more apparant Python nod after Frazzled's post would have been: "no, I'm Spartacus, and so is my wife!"

Nice.

Ketara just won this, and every other thread.

whatwhaticus wrote:Yeh he's a roman slave, but since when was Boudica a hero?

Well, she led an almost successful rebellion against the Romans - we Brits love nothing more than someone who is almost successful at something!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica

I especially like this bit:

Boudica exhorted her troops from her chariot, her daughters beside her. Tacitus gives her a short speech in which she presents herself not as an aristocrat avenging her lost wealth, but as an ordinary person, avenging her lost freedom, her battered body, and the abused chastity of her daughters. Their cause was just, and the deities were on their side; the one legion that had dared to face them had been destroyed. She, a woman, was resolved to win or die; if the men wanted to live in slavery, that was their choice.

Sounds pretty heroic to me, like.