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Yayy! Thousand Sons! Looking forward to their review.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:4. Gotta catch'em all!

Anyone know where I can find me one of those swords?

Keep her coming man, I can't wait to find out #1 (It's Alpha, isn't it? You know you want it to be....)

It definatly shouldn't be Tzeentch's Thousand Sons... I mean, seriously, Slaanesh is the god of sex, but Tzeentch has 1k sons.....

Slarg232 wrote:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:4. Gotta catch'em all!

Anyone know where I can find me one of those swords?

Keep her coming man, I can't wait to find out #1 (It's Alpha, isn't it? You know you want it to be....)

It definatly shouldn't be Tzeentch's Thousand Sons... I mean, seriously, Slaanesh is the god of sex, but Tzeentch has 1k sons.....

It definitely should be the Thousand Sons! Best legion by far, but thats my opinion, feel free to disagree (albeit it wrongly ).
And Slaanesh isnt the God(ess) fof Sex, he'she is the God(ess) of Desire, lust, excess, pleasure, perfection and hedonism. Its just that for most people a lot of those mean sex or are reflected by sex, but thats not strictly what he/she is the God(ess) of.

shakey787 wrote:howere i disagree with the emo comment im sorry but the dont hate themselves to get attention and they arent whiny little pussies who are mad at dad.

Perhaps I misuse the 'Emo' comment-I don't mean that they hate themselves, but as in they are kind of reclusive morbid.

So... Kinda Goth? Emo is such an overused term, although goth doesn't really nail it, youraverage "goth kid" poser fits the bill (not that you see them around anymore, the recluce kind have been mostly supplanted by emos, leaving only the acceptance of death kind. The idea supposedly is to surround yourself with images of mortality, thus overcoming it. Kind of like batman and his fear of bats thing.)

Yeah, what Sniper said .

Git are done, Alpha Legion!

3. Scooby-doo would have a fit.

Look at those hats. Look at those mother-fething hats. Those hats are the single most awesome thing in 40k. Marneus Calgar cries himslef to sleep at night because he knows he will never own one of those hats. Look at it. You know you want it.
Ahem. Onto the Thousand sons themselves. The 1ksons were my first ever 40k army, and to that I am forever indebted to them. Whilst I currently walk the path of Nurgle, at heart I'm a Tzeentch worshipper. He is calculating, he is intelligent, and he always have a plan-and when you live somewhere where the most common thought going through peoples mind is "sex", someone who knows what he is doing is a refreshing change. I may not be smart, but I would still like to think that Tzeencth would be happy I followed him.
And, in the end-Rubric marines are cool. They're ghost warriors, under the direct command of their sorceror's-and I like that. It gives them a physical purpose instead of juct killing for killings sake. Ahriman is a cool kid (come on, don't tell me you don't love the fact that one of the most powerful sorceror's in the galaxy can't get into a library guarded by clowns ), even if his rules suck hard, and he should be in some Black library books. Come on, if the Crimson fails get their own novels, then he should. I have to say, you gotta feel sorry for Magnus. He was the only one of the Primarchs who truly understood the nature of Chaos, and could see Horus' fall coming. And when he tried to alert his brother and farther to this threat, what did he get in return? The full might of the Wolves of Russ on his beloved homeworld.
Yeah, everyone says my beloved Thousand sons suck. And you know what I say to that? "Just. As. Planned."

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:
Yeah, everyone says my beloved Thousand sons suck. And you know what I say to that? "Just. As. Planned."

Fauntleroy, you deserve a medal for this line right here. I'll think of this whenever my Farseer, or even the Deceiver, dies in combat ;D

Yeah, that's pretty much the bedrock of my playing stratagy-unnerve the foe, always make out you have a plan and it's proceddeing as you want it to even when you don't and it isn't.

So that leaves COMES FORTH TO BEAR THE WORD OF CHAOS vs WE ARE LEGION?

I would have put Thousand Sons #1 not going to lie

Still I have the same Top Three as you, just not in the same order.

Nitros14 wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Alpha Legion s/b in the bottom 5. If there's any SMs ever than can be called cowards its them. Wussies can't even do their own fighting.

Well yes fighting the whole Imperium directly when they number 10,000 and the Imperium numbers countless billions with some 1,000,000 Space Marines would be wise.

They're just not dumb.

Yes because they would fight the whole Imperium at once. In case you didn't notice all that other Chapters fight in battles on a pretty regular basis; being that they're soldiers and all. Alpha Legion avoids fighting at all costs: cowards.

@KamikazeCanuck : What would you rather : fight against 5 or 10 200-pound guys and get beaten to bloody shreds like a hero or kick them in the ballz one by one when they're not looking?

Wooo! At least the Thousand Sons made it into the top three. Getting the bronze is still good.

I love the last line 'Just. As. Planned'. Pretty much sums up Tzeentch perfectly. And youre right, Magnus' downfall was tragic. The Emperor could have saved the imperium if he had put aside his doubt and fear and listened to one of his sons!

Word Bearers and Alpha Legion left, eh? Im gonna take a stab at guessing who ranks top....

Im going with Alpha Legion. I just have a feeling.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Nitros14 wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Alpha Legion s/b in the bottom 5. If there's any SMs ever than can be called cowards its them. Wussies can't even do their own fighting.

Well yes fighting the whole Imperium directly when they number 10,000 and the Imperium numbers countless billions with some 1,000,000 Space Marines would be wise.

They're just not dumb.

Yes because they would fight the whole Imperium at once. In case you didn't notice all that other Chapters fight in battles on a pretty regular basis; being that they're soldiers and all. Alpha Legion avoids fighting at all costs: cowards.

No youve got it wrong. They dont avoid fighting, they just refuse to fight unless its on their terms.
Theyre all about deceit, misdirection and surprise, so of course they wont be involved in as many straight up fights as some of the more single minded legions.

aka_tizz wrote:@KamikazeCanuck : What would you rather : fight against 5 or 10 200-pound guys and get beaten to bloody shreds like a hero or kick them in the ballz one by one when they're not looking?

If I'm a Space Marine I want to shoot them in the face. That's why most of us play wargames that represent shooting people. Just look at any real life soldier. If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". Same with every single Space marine Chapter and Legion.....except the Alpha Legion. They'll say "let me talk to that guy over there and see if he feels like fightin for me." Therefore a US Marine is cooler than an Alpha Legion Marine. An Alpha Legion guy avoids storming the beach, normal marine asks for it. Feth, normal Guard ask for it after spending 10 months barracked in the hold of a ship.

KamikazeCanuck wrote: If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah".

Your example is incomplete, it should be like "If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight someone he actually has some chance of destroying he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". "
However, ask the same USMC grunt if he wants to fight 100 AK-47 equipped terrorists, and he'll say "FETH NO! You go fight'em!"

Choosing not to go to open war against someone much much more numerous, better armed and armoured than you is not cowardice, is smartness.
Choosing to go to open war against someone much much more numerous, better armed and armoured than you is truly heroic, but ultimately stupid

And the Alpha Legion will fight if they have to, but it simply won't be the conventional honourable fight you would expect. Their way of doing it is just a means to an end : destruction of their enemies

aka_tizz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote: If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah".

Your example is incomplete, it should be like "If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight someone he actually has some chance of destroying he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". "
However, ask the same USMC grunt if he wants to fight 100 AK-47 equipped terrorists, and he'll say "FETH NO! You go fight'em!"

Disagree. US Army regularly fights 100 AK-47 equiped terrorists. And any Astartes would take odds worse than that......except Alpha Legion.

Example: The Iron Snakes were tasked by the Emperor to protect The Reef stars which they did for thousands of years. Unfortunately for them one day it was invaded by about 1 BILLION orks. It dawned on them that this would be it. This is how their chapter would die. Nonetheless, there simply was nothing that could be done. Duty and honour demanded they face oblivion with a stiff uppper lip. That's badass.

What would the Alpha Legion do? Run. Run and break their vows. That's why their one of the traitor legion. They actually believe in the Emperor but they were afraid they might lose. They were afraid to fight for Emperor.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:@KamikazeCanuck : What would you rather : fight against 5 or 10 200-pound guys and get beaten to bloody shreds like a hero or kick them in the ballz one by one when they're not looking?

If I'm a Space Marine I want to shoot them in the face. That's why most of us play wargames that represent shooting people. Just look at any real life soldier. If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". Same with every single Space marine Chapter and Legion.....except the Alpha Legion. They'll say "let me talk to that guy over there and see if he feels like fightin for me." Therefore a US Marine is cooler than an Alpha Legion Marine. An Alpha Legion guy avoids storming the beach, normal marine asks for it. Feth, normal Guard ask for it after spending 10 months barracked in the hold of a ship.

Maybe I'm of base in the Lore but IIRC Alpha Legion believe in attacking from every direction possible, coordinated teamwork and using initiative in the field. They also fight in a guerrilla fashion as many of them operate continuously behind enemy lines. What is the point of storming the beach if you can get one of the guards to let you in the back door? Is it cowardice to win?

There is no glory in pointless defeat.

Alpha Legion will use any means neccesary to win. They fight dirty.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Disagree. US Army regularly fights 100 AK-47 equiped terrorists. And any Astartes would take odds worse than that......except Alpha Legion.

Yes, they do, but it's not in the matter 1 vs the whole 100. Actually the US Army are actually quite numerous and more than capable than taking out their enemies in direct combat

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Example: The Iron Snakes were tasked by the Emperor to protect The Reef stars which they did for thousands of years. Unfortunately for them one day it was invaded by about 1 BILLION orks. It dawned on them that this would be it. This is how their chapter would die. Nonetheless, there simply was nothing that could be done. Duty and honour demanded they face oblivion with a stiff uppper lip. That's badass.

Yes it is, but i think they didn't have the choice of fighting Alpha Legion-style, and even if they did, i don't think they would have taken it. It's just not them. Also it wouldn't have been the way the Legion would have done it. They probably would have hit at the warboss then watch the Orks infight for power.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:What would the Alpha Legion do? Run. Run and break their vows. That's why their one of the traitor legion.

Run and break their vows? Where did you get that one from?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:They actually believe in the Emperor but they were afraid they might lose. They were afraid to fight for Emperor.

Have you read Legion? If they were afraid of something, it definitely wouldn't have been fighting for the Emperor. I believe it actually takes more guts to fight against him.

Different ways of waging a war don't make for classifications into "badass" and "softass" categories. They are what they are - different ways of waging a war. And you can't accuse a Space Marine, be it loyalist or traitor, of fear or cowardice. A Space Marine is exactly the opposite of those, no matter how he chooses to wage his wars

aka_tizz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Disagree. US Army regularly fights 100 AK-47 equiped terrorists. And any Astartes would take odds worse than that......except Alpha Legion.

Yes, they do, but it's not in the matter 1 vs the whole 100. Actually the US Army are actually quite numerous and more than capable than taking out their enemies in direct combat

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Example: The Iron Snakes were tasked by the Emperor to protect The Reef stars which they did for thousands of years. Unfortunately for them one day it was invaded by about 1 BILLION orks. It dawned on them that this would be it. This is how their chapter would die. Nonetheless, there simply was nothing that could be done. Duty and honour demanded they face oblivion with a stiff uppper lip. That's badass.

Yes it is, but i think they didn't have the choice of fighting Alpha Legion-style, and even if they did, i don't think they would have taken it. It's just not them. Also it wouldn't have been the way the Legion would have done it. They probably would have hit at the warboss then watch the Orks infight for power.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:What would the Alpha Legion do? Run. Run and break their vows. That's why their one of the traitor legion.

Run and break their vows? Where did you get that one from?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:They actually believe in the Emperor but they were afraid they might lose. They were afraid to fight for Emperor.

Have you read Legion? If they were afraid of something, it definitely wouldn't have been fighting for the Emperor. I believe it actually takes more guts to fight against him.

Different ways of waging a war don't make for classifications into "badass" and "softass" categories. They are what they are - different ways of waging a war. And you can't accuse a Space Marine, be it loyalist or traitor, of fear or cowardice. A Space Marine is exactly the opposite of those, no matter how he chooses to wage his wars

Because.... they Broke their vows to the Emperor.

Yes, I read Legion. And that's why I really started to dislike them. I was expecting to read about some Astartes fighting or something along thoses line. But Abnett correctly remembered Alpha Legion doesn't do a lot of fighting. And most of that book centers on Humans trying to figure out if The Alpha Legion is even doing anything. OK, so it takes alot of courage to face the Emperor. I'll Agree with that. SO THEN WERE WERE THEY!?! They didn't even fight at the battle of the Emperor's Palace. They figured out there's no hiding in that one, you have to act like a real marine and they buggered off. Cowards!

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Because.... they Broke their vows to the Emperor.

Yes, I read Legion. And that's why I really started to dislike them. I was expecting to read about some Astartes fighting or something along thoses line. But Abnett correctly remembered Alpha Legion doesn't do a lot of fighting. And most of that book centers on Humans trying to figure out if The Alpha Legion is even doing anything. OK, so it takes alot of courage to face the Emperor. I'll Agree with that. SO THEN WERE WERE THEY!?! They didn't even fight at the battle of the Emperor's Palace. They figured out there's no hiding in that one, you have to act like a real marine and they buggered off. Cowards!

Sure they're traitors and cowards. Traitors and cowards that are still undefeated after 10,000 years. What are you going to do about it 'Charge the front gates in broad daylight' boy? Nyah nyah!

KamikazeCanuck wrote:SO THEN WERE WERE THEY!?! They didn't even fight at the battle of the Emperor's Palace. They figured out there's no hiding in that one, you have to act like a real marine and they buggered off. Cowards!

They were busy keeping White Scars and Space Wolves reinforcements in check. If anything, it does take courage to fight Space Wolves. And if i remember correctly, they even won against them

And after the end of the Heresy, they were the ones who didn't run to safety in the Eye and instead went to engage the Ultramarines, beating the crap out of them right after their Primarch (supposedly) got whacked, forcing the smurfs to go up into orbit and bomb the planet from above. That's quite conclusive proof against their cowardice, i believe

And as about Legion, i get exactly what i was expecting. A different way to make war from a different Legion

Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between

a) Fighting
b) Hiding

The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years?

Not that we would know of

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart"

Nope, didn't bring out that. Not in this post, at least.

And they may not be to you, but to me they are cool just because they are different and unrestricted by the conventions every other Legion or Chapter abides by. And nothing you say would change that.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just a personal preference.

Same here. As you would defend your favorite Chapter / Legion, so do I, even if in the end it's all about a game

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between

a) Fighting
b) Hiding

The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.

Hey man if the ideal of what's 'cool' didn't differ between Chaos players and Imperial players we wouldn't have a game now would we?

Sure we would just everyone would have the same army. Course some people think that is kinda the way it is with SMs anyway but I guess they can be quite different within themselves too.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between

a) Fighting
b) Hiding

The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.

I get what your saying. But have you noticed that in the background Chaos marines eventually lose/draw all open battles/campaigns? This frustrates me often. Chaos couldn't even win Vraks. So maybe they are on to something.

Yeah, that's what i especially liked about the HH, it presents the SM's in a really human way

Hax Omega wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between

a) Fighting
b) Hiding

The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.

I get what your saying. But have you noticed that in the background Chaos marines eventually lose/draw all open battles/campaigns? This frustrates me often. Chaos couldn't even win Vraks. So maybe they are on to something.

That's because they have forsook their oaths to the Emperor and cannot automatically regroup a squad after it has failed a morale check! Cowards.