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Fafnir wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:And it goes both ways most armour that can't be pierced (invulnerble save) is? You guessed it made of energy! They often fit discretely on your belt or head or whatever. If you want an invulnerble save made of matter? your going to need 40 tons of adamantium! (terminators)

Until a psycannon comes along with its solid shells going right through your force fields... yeah...

The main issue is whether you want the stopping power and damage over time of ballistic weaponry, or the instantaneous hard-hitting power of energy weapons. They both have different uses. Realistically, ballistic weaponry makes for better assault weaponry than energy weapons, because of the stopping power. There's a reason why the imperium still ballistic shotguns.

Also, on the larger scale, ballistic weaponry can be used for indirect ordinance fire.

Psycannon uses psychic energy. Emphasis on energy.

Bonesword and warp lance also use psychic energy but are stopped by invulnerable saves.

Kilkrazy wrote:Bonesword and warp lance also use psychic energy but are stopped by invulnerable saves.

Cause its not the Emepror's blessed, holy psychic, energy heretic.

Still psychic energy though.

it is cause Psy bolts are laid about on a microscopic level with Hexigrammic patterns that absorb psychic as well as normal energy, allowing the shell to go through unobstructed.

Hence why they go through Invulns of all types and other psychic weaponry doesn't.



Psychic vs normal energy is a moot point however as they are technically the same thing. Psychic energy is simply energy that certain individuals can manipulate with their minds.

the Warp is the realm of Energy. the physical world is the realm of Matter. matter and energy exist in both dimensions, our universe is based on Matter, the Warp is based on Energy.

However, the beings from the energy realm seem to fare better in our than ours in there's.

that is only true where the walls of reality are thin.


where they are not, Deamons that arn't of massive strength and power tend to dissolve quite rapidly.


they are using vast reserves of their power just to maintain their corperal forms.

this was represented by the Instability tests Deamons used to have to take when certain things happened, but they removed them because it was a balance issue.

when you damage a deamons form it will instantly heal(hence why the immunity to ID) but it takes energy to enact this maintanence of the form. if you drain a deamon of energy then it will be forced back into the warp where it may take millennia to regain the lost energy.

the more powerful the demon the longer it takes to recharge.



Now, you might say that time is irrelevent in the warp, but that isn't true. the warp has its own time stream seperate from the pysical universe, BUT they don't flow at the same rate in relation to each other. this is why, when the 2 realms combine, the timestream is misplaced. Time doesn't flow correctly when the Warp spills into the physical universe, BUT neither does time flow correctly in the warp when the physical universe comes in.

so a greater Deamon may get drained and reappear a few centuries later, but to him it has been 10,000, years in the warp. he will certaintly be pissed.

Yes, that's what I mean. He'll be pissed but no permanent damage. Whereas a human exposed to the raw warp for even a moment may be irrevocably damaged or changed.

If hexagrams absorb energy why don't people put them on all weapons, thus rendering invulnerable saves meaningless.

Kilkrazy wrote:If hexagrams absorb energy why don't people put them on all weapons, thus rendering invulnerable saves meaningless.

Would you want to sit there and put thousands of microscopic hexagrammic wards on every lasgun power pack, boltgun shell, shotgun shell, etc. in the Imperium?

If so, then be my guest; but there has yet to be a member of the Munistorum that has the time to do it.

S_P

Especially when most people don't have invulnerble saves.

Space_Potato wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If hexagrams absorb energy why don't people put them on all weapons, thus rendering invulnerable saves meaningless.

Would you want to sit there and put thousands of microscopic hexagrammic wards on every lasgun power pack, boltgun shell, shotgun shell, etc. in the Imperium?

If so, then be my guest; but there has yet to be a member of the Munistorum that has the time to do it.

S_P

Just micro-etch them by laser. If the Imperium can't do it, I bet the Tau and Eldar have the technology.

Ahhh, but it must be blessed and hand crafted by a man of great faith. mass production isn't an option.

Ya and Tau are Heathens and the Eldar heretics.

Psycannon bolts are charged with psychic energy, not composed of it. The bolt is still required to do any actual damage. In fact, there are no weapons that bypass invulnerable saves that use energy as their offensive payload. See, C'tan phase weaponry, which is composed of living metal.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Space_Potato wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If hexagrams absorb energy why don't people put them on all weapons, thus rendering invulnerable saves meaningless.

Would you want to sit there and put thousands of microscopic hexagrammic wards on every lasgun power pack, boltgun shell, shotgun shell, etc. in the Imperium?

If so, then be my guest; but there has yet to be a member of the Munistorum that has the time to do it.

S_P

Just micro-etch them by laser. If the Imperium can't do it, I bet the Tau and Eldar have the technology.

It's not a question of production capacity you see, in order to contact the Administratum to request permission to manufactor such devices you need to first fill out form XYZ-11458126 Section-A to request permission to contact them. Then when your grandchildren recieve the reply from the proper offices (assuming you filled the paperwork out correctly, incorrectly filled paperwork will be rejected without notice to the petitioner) you can then expect a detailed background on the citizens of your planet (yes we mean all of them, do you think the Administratum cuts corners?) before you can start negotiation of terms. Then if your planet passes the check you may then submit form XYZ-11458126 Section-C to request permission to contact the Administratum to request permission to contact the Priests of Mars regarding elevated level technology who will then do their own backround check on the citizens of your planet. <Approximetly seven paragraphs missing due to data corruption> Upon completion of the security requirements you may fill out the apropriate form requesting terms of manufactor and transport and adjustments of subsidies toward planetary tithes. Upon completion of this form your request will be submitted for review by the appointed authorities, queries about the progress of such submissions will be ignored. Upon their review the new terms shall be submitted to you for review before they are sumitted back to the authorities for final approval. Remeber the bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the ever expanding bureaucracy.

ComputerGeek01 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

Space_Potato wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If hexagrams absorb energy why don't people put them on all weapons, thus rendering invulnerable saves meaningless.

Would you want to sit there and put thousands of microscopic hexagrammic wards on every lasgun power pack, boltgun shell, shotgun shell, etc. in the Imperium?

If so, then be my guest; but there has yet to be a member of the Munistorum that has the time to do it.

S_P

Just micro-etch them by laser. If the Imperium can't do it, I bet the Tau and Eldar have the technology.

It's not a question of production capacity you see, in order to contact the Administratum to request permission to manufactor such devices you need to first fill out form XYZ-11458126 Section-A to request permission to contact them. Then when your grandchildren recieve the reply from the proper offices (assuming you filled the paperwork out correctly, incorrectly filled paperwork will be rejected without notice to the petitioner) you can then expect a detailed background on the citizens of your planet (yes we mean all of them, do you think the Administratum cuts corners?) before you can start negotiation of terms. Then if your planet passes the check you may then submit form XYZ-11458126 Section-C to request permission to contact the Administratum to request permission to contact the Priests of Mars regarding elevated level technology who will then do their own backround check on the citizens of your planet. <Approximetly seven paragraphs missing due to data corruption> Upon completion of the security requirements you may fill out the apropriate form requesting terms of manufactor and transport and adjustments of subsidies toward planetary tithes. Upon completion of this form your request will be submitted for review by the appointed authorities, queries about the progress of such submissions will be ignored. Upon their review the new terms shall be submitted to you for review before they are sumitted back to the authorities for final approval. Remeber the bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the ever expanding bureaucracy.

Yes well done. There's been a few forums asking about the Imperium's static tech level. Lets say you invent a lasgun with AP6. You gotta go through the same process. Then the munitorium realizes its not compatible with their standard issue power cell. You think they're going to throw out 900,000,000,000,000 power clips because you invented something that works better!? Hell no, you're getting a Str 3 Ap- gun and your going to like it!
To answer some other common forum questions like "what's the greatest threat to humanity?". The answer is bureaucracy: same in year 40,000 and 2000.