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ShumaGorath wrote:Steam was hacked when it was in beta. My roomate had dawn of war 2 on a hacked steam/windows live account. None of these services are impenetrable. It also features a slew of phishing and account stealing scams.

Actually I was referring to actually hacking the system and giving yourself achievements. Phishing for account info is easy. Breaking the actual server side protections is harder.

ShumaGorath wrote:
I'm pretty sure the CBO and congress have access to better internet then I do and the soldiers can just play halo.

If you think those are the only people that adjust your taxes, you really don't know how US government works. Or doesn't, depending on your view. And it's nice to see such a refreshingly charitable view toward those that keep your ass safe.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Those prices are designed specifically to counteract software piracy. Microstransaction and subscription models reduce the ease of use in pirated software. Regional price increases aren't particularly surprising either. Australia pays 80-100 dollars for the same boxes we do.

So, wait, charging even more extortionist prices and crippling software encourages people to not pirate said software? That's like saying that dosing a man up on viagara before tossing him in a room full of drunk, naked, hotties high on aphrodisiacs discourages him from getting laid. This runs against what would appear to be common sense.

Actually I was referring to actually hacking the system and giving yourself achievements. Phishing for account info is easy. Breaking the actual server side protections is harder.

Thats why I said It also. That implies a differentiation from what I was directly quoting in some way. Steam was hacked when it was in beta and has been hacked continuously ever since. You can download gamerips of steam and get everything for free and you've been able to for years.

As an aside since I'm not sure I actually believe you, please site a source when you claim that battle.net has been hacked to give all achievements for free. A cursory googling didn't find anything, but I didn't look all that hard.

If you think those are the only people that adjust your taxes, you really don't know how US government works. Or doesn't, depending on your view. And it's nice to see such a refreshingly charitable view toward those that keep your ass safe.

You know what? Lets just agree that you said something wacky and inscrutable concerning the taxes. Did you mean wellfare recipients or something? Who is governing my tax rates, is trying to play starcraft, but does not have access to the internet? Also if soldiers want to lan starcraft on all their lovely high end laptops they keep in their napsacks then I feel sorry for them. It must be hard for them to not be able to access a brand new computer entertainment title easily. When I was 12 I didn't have a nintendo. I know exactly how they feel.

So, wait, charging even more extortionist prices and crippling software encourages people to not pirate said software?

The prices are artifacts of regional repricing, that occurs with most forms of software. The fees are reletively meaningless, it's the methodology behind starcraft battlenet which requires a unique login signature and account to be utilized online that helps to prevent piracy. Those monthly/daily/weekly fees are tied to the battle.net account itself. It's one of the reasons MMOs are targeted specifically to asian markets heavily. It's a difficult genre to pirate meaningfully (unless you just want to play alone or on a shell server with like 100 people on it max). Exactly what point are you making anyway? That blizzard is evil and trying to rape people or something? It's a videogame, not food, if it didn't sell they wouldn't charge that for it.

that's like saying that dosing a man up on viagara before tossing him in a room full of drunk, naked, hotties high on aphrodisiacs discourages him from getting laid.

No, but I appreciate that you took the time to make an example for a situation you don't fully comprehend.

This runs against what would appear to be common sense.

Not really.

ShumaGorath wrote:
As an aside since I'm not sure I actually believe you, please site a source when you claim that battle.net has been hacked to give all achievements for free. A cursory googling didn't find anything, but I didn't look all that hard.

Was quite the online scandal back at launch in 1997. Basically, a coder calling himself Bobafett created what amounted to an early trainer. When Diablo connected to battle.net, you could change how many times you had killed Diablo, play online in god mode, etc, etc, because of how battle.net worked at that time.

ShumaGorath wrote:
You know what? Lets just agree that you said something wacky and inscrutable concerning the taxes. Did you mean wellfare recipients or something?

Actually I was talking about local and state governments (welfare recipients get more money then some of the departments that do things like keep the streets clean). Also toss in anyone who connects via the same connection they use for buisness, SOx compliance basically precluding the ability to connect to battle.net

ShumaGorath wrote:
The prices are artifacts of regional repricing, that occurs with most forms of software. The fees are reletively meaningless, it's the methodology behind starcraft battlenet which requires a unique login signature and account to be utilized online that helps to prevent piracy. Those monthly/daily/weekly fees are tied to the battle.net account itself. It's one of the reasons MMOs are targeted specifically to asian markets heavily. It's a difficult genre to pirate meaningfully (unless you just want to play alone or on a shell server with like 100 people on it max).

Actually, I've seen pirate servers for at least one mmos with over a thousand members, but we'll leave it at that. Blizzard is charging more because they claim that they want to build servers in Singapore but do not have the money to build them. So atm people there are paying a premium only to be routed via a high ping connection to the US. Blizz has not announced when these local servers will be up, if ever. They're manufacturing the product locally, in simple plastic sleeves.

As far as MMOs for Asia, I'm familiar with the Japan/South Korea market for these. I'm also familiar with China not permitting MMOs in China to interface with servers outside China (most gold farmers either have a good proxy or are actually in a country other then China. This policy lead to several internal disasters for EvE Online's separate Chinese server.) The difference is that most of those games are free to play, and instead have premium items/content that you pay for. What Blizz is doing is charging for the right to play a game you've already bought, in any country they can get away with it.

Was quite the online scandal back at launch in 1997. Basically, a coder calling himself Bobafett created what amounted to an early trainer. When Diablo connected to battle.net, you could change how many times you had killed Diablo, play online in god mode, etc, etc, because of how battle.net worked at that time.

Are you kidding? They didn't even have achievements back then and this version of battlenet is totally different then the one that launched with diablo thirteen years ago. You were just making it up, I knew it.

Actually I was talking about local and state governments (welfare recipients get more money then some of the departments that do things like keep the streets clean). Also toss in anyone who connects via the same connection they use for buisness, SOx compliance basically precluding the ability to connect to battle.net

This all sounds like a tremendous strawman.

Actually, I've seen pirate servers for at least one mmos with over a thousand members, but we'll leave it at that.

Yeah, I had a friend on a private WoW server with over a thousand people, but thats actually pretty bare for playercount. You generally have to be careful since hacking and manipulation is rampant in private servers and you generally have to wait to get new content. It's about making the value proposition for doing so as poor as possible so that people don't try.

Blizzard is charging more because they claim that they want to build servers in Singapore but do not have the money to build them.

Site source.

So atm people there are paying a premium only to be routed via a high ping connection to the US. Blizz has not announced when these local servers will be up, if ever. They're manufacturing the product locally, in simple plastic sleeves.

Again, site source please.

As far as MMOs for Asia, I'm familiar with the Japan/South Korea market for these. I'm also familiar with China not permitting MMOs in China to interface with servers outside China (most gold farmers either have a good proxy or are actually in a country other then China. This policy lead to several internal disasters for EvE Online's separate Chinese server.) The difference is that most of those games are free to play, and instead have premium items/content that you pay for. What Blizz is doing is charging for the right to play a game you've already bought, in any country they can get away with it.

Considering china has the largest internet market on the planet having servers that don't connect outside of the regions not really a big deal. Many are free to play, but most of the major players from western developers are not. Blizzard is charging for a content subscription for access to battlenet (something which helps to prevent/reduce piracy) which is a model you may not like but I'm still not sure what the point is of this conversation. If they could enforce international copyright law effectively then I doubt there would be such issues but the asian governments haven't been particularly good at doing so or caring.

holy jesus....

I WANT ITTTTTT!!!!!

Please?


also i read on like the first page that there was a demo O.O?

is there.....?

BaronIveagh wrote:Was quite the online scandal back at launch in 1997. Basically, a coder calling himself Bobafett created what amounted to an early trainer. When Diablo connected to battle.net, you could change how many times you had killed Diablo, play online in god mode, etc, etc, because of how battle.net worked at that time.

DUDE! your kidding me right? What year is it right now? Let me check my WINDOWS 7! computer and see....we are how many OS's Past windows 95, CE 1.0, and 98? 4, 5? maybe 6 if there is one i havent heard of or missed. Do you really think that the security on those OS's were that good? infact, im not sure there was even any security at that time (i mean there was, but so little that there might as well not have been ANY!)

1997...Gimme a break! as soon as i read this post i almost fell over with a X.x on my face! LITERALLY!

i enjoyed reading your's and shuma's posts, you were both arguing pretty well, but when this came up, it was over. Game over dude.

i keep re-reading it....it wont leave my mind!

X.x

On a side note, for anyone that is not computer knowledgeable, that time era was in the beginnings of microsoft's "GUI" (Graphical user interface) which is what lets you "point and click" Icons and see things like pictures on a computer. if you were running DOS, you would not be using a mouse, rather a keyboard to type "Start scraftII.exe" or "Open C:\Programfiles\blizzard\Starcraft....." there would be no....CLICK CLICK!......CLICK CLICK!......CLICK CLICK!.



And for the guy that is using a Mac....DAmn, im sorry.

ShumaGorath wrote:Are you kidding? They didn't even have achievements back then and this version of battlenet is totally different then the one that launched with diablo thirteen years ago. You were just making it up, I knew it.

No, I wasn't. It really did happen. (and at that time, it tracked how many times you, personally, had killed Diablo, which was visible to other players. Looks like an achievement to me) In fact, diablo continues to be hard to play in public games due to the sheer number of cheats that bnet does not prevent.

ShumaGorath wrote:
Site source.

Again, site source please.

"GAX: What does the licensee agreement mean?

Ong: Blizzard will be setting up and operating their own local battle.net servers here in Singapore. All the technical backend, hardware and software maintenance will be controlled and operated by Blizzard. All the customer service related things, like the call center, local tournaments, sales events and exhibitions will be run by IAHGames. The call center team will be trained by Blizzard.

GAX: Will there be any other pricing options for StarCraft II?

Ong: There will be an alternative pricing plan available for StarCraft II, but that won’t be available until after launch. For now we can’t say anything as we’re still working out the details with Blizzard.

That alternative pricing plan sounds interesting, but IAHGames are keeping quiet on the details for now.

So we know Blizzard is the reason the game will cost S$109. As for why, it appears to be due to the factored in cost of setting up and operating the local battle.net servers"

- GameAxis Interview with Roland Ong, CEO of IAH, Blizzards distributor in SE Asia.

A similar story appeared in The Strait Times.



@Kyric: Would it also amuse you to learn that I can break your Windows 7 admin account and change the password in less then 2 min using the same SAM editing that I used in 1993? Windows hasn't actually changed that much, no matter how many new bells and whistles they hang on it.

And for those who are not computer literate, the GUI has been around since the late 70's/early 80's. Windows 1 was released back in 1985. The basics of the current Windows GUI were in Windows NT in 1993, or in Windows 3.1 a year earlier, if you want to get primitive.

And for the Apple users, well, they've had GUI since.... 1982, IIRC...

So Starcraft 2- what an excellent game! I'm not too far into the campaign, but I am very much enjoying the twists of the research trees and upgrade structure- I wonder how long it will be until a RTS game hops on the MMO bandwagon and starts offering exclusive unit options in multiplayer. Imagine the possibilities of having richly diversified Terran, Zerg and Protoss forces. Upgrades could be based on single player accomplishments, or opened up with experience in the game. The trick would be to keep the upgrades as balanced alternatives to the default. For instance, perhaps you could have those enormous transports, but you wouldn't be able to build Medivacs. Wraiths swapped out for Vikings, that sort of thing.

Perhaps I've been spoiled by the high degree of customization possible in the campaign, but I'd love to play a multi-player RTS like this. I see the seeds of a genre changing move in this game, and lament that they were not brought to fruition.

BaronIveagh wrote:And for those who are not computer literate, the GUI has been around since the late 70's/early 80's. Windows 1 was released back in 1985. The basics of the current Windows GUI were in Windows NT in 1993, or in Windows 3.1 a year earlier, if you want to get primitive.

And for the Apple users, well, they've had GUI since.... 1982, IIRC...

Oh Lord, please not another Mac vs Windows debate XD. I've seen too many.

BaronIveagh wrote:

@Kyric: Would it also amuse you to learn that I can break your Windows 7 admin account and change the password in less then 2 min using the same SAM editing that I used in 1993? Windows hasn't actually changed that much, no matter how many new bells and whistles they hang on it.

And for those who are not computer literate, the GUI has been around since the late 70's/early 80's. Windows 1 was released back in 1985. The basics of the current Windows GUI were in Windows NT in 1993, or in Windows 3.1 a year earlier, if you want to get primitive.

And for the Apple users, well, they've had GUI since.... 1982, IIRC...

alright, just to let you know, i was born in 1990, so i was 3 in 93, good job. dont know much about SAM, but what it seems like is just a text editor that HELPS you write command lines. WooHOO! i can do my own command lines and would prefer it that way.

2: yes, 1993, WOULD YOU STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT! you said 97 was when blizz was hacked, i aws pointing at 95, 1.0, and 98 of which were in that TIME FRAME. yes, i know GUI has been around awhile, but it was still experimental until XP came out. im not saying that XP was PERFECT, im saying that XP took the wrinkles out of the OS and put some drive into it. NOW, BACK TO WIN 95! IT SUCKED! anyone could have brought that damn thing down. and yet you are so excited because Battle net was brought down on a low life OS whereas Steam was brought down on higherend OS's. with HIGHER security!

Sure, use your C Text editors, but C++ is the current language of today's computers, your little "Samantha" text editor wont get you too far anymore with an advanced user.

Apple users having the same gui....no wonder it sucks.

will never buy 1. waste of money. (and the 1 time i worked on 1 for my attourney's kid, oh my god...HEY! Ever wonder why Apple has something called "Boot camp"? Because Mac OS isnt good enough compared to windows! so it lets you dual boot windows! Funniest fething thing ever!)


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effing is turned to fething,...thats too good! ! xD

No, I wasn't. It really did happen. (and at that time, it tracked how many times you, personally, had killed Diablo, which was visible to other players. Looks like an achievement to me) In fact, diablo continues to be hard to play in public games due to the sheer number of cheats that bnet does not prevent.

I don't actually care, when this entire discussion started I was not speaking to legacy versions of battlenet from when online gaming was brand new.

Apple users having the same gui....no wonder it sucks.

Apple has had the "same" UI since os10 came out which was a dramatic reinterpretation of the desktop GUI and was only in 2002. Windows by contrast has released only incremental periodic updates and is often claimed to be playing feature catchup with the mac GUI.

Gentlemen, please stop talking out your tuchasses.

Kyric wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

@Kyric: Would it also amuse you to learn that I can break your Windows 7 admin account and change the password in less then 2 min using the same SAM editing that I used in 1993? Windows hasn't actually changed that much, no matter how many new bells and whistles they hang on it.

And for those who are not computer literate, the GUI has been around since the late 70's/early 80's. Windows 1 was released back in 1985. The basics of the current Windows GUI were in Windows NT in 1993, or in Windows 3.1 a year earlier, if you want to get primitive.

And for the Apple users, well, they've had GUI since.... 1982, IIRC...

alright, just to let you know, i was born in 1990, so i was 3 in 93, good job. dont know much about SAM, but what it seems like is just a text editor that HELPS you write command lines. WooHOO! i can do my own command lines and would prefer it that way.

2: yes, 1993, WOULD YOU STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT! you said 97 was when blizz was hacked, i aws pointing at 95, 1.0, and 98 of which were in that TIME FRAME. yes, i know GUI has been around awhile, but it was still experimental until XP came out. im not saying that XP was PERFECT, im saying that XP took the wrinkles out of the OS and put some drive into it. NOW, BACK TO WIN 95! IT SUCKED! anyone could have brought that damn thing down. and yet you are so excited because Battle net was brought down on a low life OS whereas Steam was brought down on higherend OS's. with HIGHER security!

Sure, use your C Text editors, but C++ is the current language of today's computers, your little "Samantha" text editor wont get you too far anymore with an advanced user.

Since you obviously don't know what a SAM is...

"The Security Accounts Manager (SAM) is registry file in Windows NT, Windows 2000, and later versions of Windows. It stores users' passwords in a hashed format (in LM hash and NTLM hash). Since a hash function is one-way, this provides some measure of security for the storage of the passwords." - Wikipedia

As far as the OS of the time, I think you mean 95, 98 and NT, and/or possibly 3.11. 95 was a piece of crap, no arguments there. Not sure what you're talking about GUI being 'experimental' at this point, since various GUI's had been around for more then a decade. I think you might be talking about the 32 bit windows kernel, but I'm not too sure...

Windows largely has the same built in security features now that it did in 1993. How is it more secure?

There are more security programs, such as firewalls, available for it, such as Norton, McAffee, etc.

@ Shuma - I was talking about GUI's in general, not the current gen of apple GUI.

@ Shuma - I was talking about GUI's in general, not the current gen of apple GUI.

I read that as "the same gui", kyrics post influenced me to read it wrong. My B.

ShumaGorath wrote:

@ Shuma - I was talking about GUI's in general, not the current gen of apple GUI.

I read that as "the same gui", kyrics post influenced me to read it wrong. My B.

Understandable. (What I find more nauseating about his posts is apparently I've been repairing windows based machines since he was 3... I feel old now.)

I wonder if I should tell him about how there are still people out there using notepad to code....?

Ok smartass, had you clarified that from the beginning, it woulda made life so much easier. i was pretty sure you were talking about the Samantha Text editor (language of C). but good job for calling on something that a 20 year old didnt know. make ya feel proud?

Second, like i said, in win XP and later versions, security was bumped, Taken from Wikipidea:

In Windows NT 3.51, NT 4.0 and 2000, an attack was devised to bypass the local authentication system. If the SAM file is deleted from the hard drive (e.g. mounting the Windows OS volume into an alternative operating system), the attacker could log in as any account with no password. This flaw was corrected with Windows XP, which shows an error message and shuts down the computer.

Which is to show that SAM files are no longer as vulnerable as they were back then. There are FAIL SAFE's. Touch the file, and windows crashes. End of story.

So you wanna make a virus...Feel free, you will get in Lotta trouble because i can guarantee that you do not have the equipment to keep yourself hidden from the "Internet patrol"


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yes, coding in notepad is no surprise. Want me to make you a batch file thats all pretty and says some funny stuffs? i can change your password too! and even....wait for it!....SHUT DOWN YOUR COMPUTER!? not hard, not a surprise. and yes you are old.


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and you have been fixing since i was 3...but yet im 20, look how much i know compared to you. Enough to hold my ground, and that makes me proud! how's it make you feel?

yes, coding in notepad is no surprise. Want me to make you a batch file thats all pretty and says some funny stuffs? i can change your password too! and even....wait for it!....SHUT DOWN YOUR COMPUTER!? not hard, not a surprise. and yes you are old.

ok, answered!

and i was infact referring to Win CE 1.0 in my previous posts, which released AFTER 95

Kyric wrote:Ok smartass, had you clarified that from the beginning, it woulda made life so much easier. i was pretty sure you were talking about the Samantha Text editor (language of C). but good job for calling on something that a 20 year old didnt know. make ya feel proud?

Second, like i said, in win XP and later versions, security was bumped, Taken from Wikipidea:

In Windows NT 3.51, NT 4.0 and 2000, an attack was devised to bypass the local authentication system. If the SAM file is deleted from the hard drive (e.g. mounting the Windows OS volume into an alternative operating system), the attacker could log in as any account with no password. This flaw was corrected with Windows XP, which shows an error message and shuts down the computer.

Which is to show that SAM files are no longer as vulnerable as they were back then. There are FAIL SAFE's. Touch the file, and windows crashes. End of story.

So you wanna make a virus...Feel free, you will get in Lotta trouble because i can guarantee that you do not have the equipment to keep yourself hidden from the "Internet patrol"

Ok, no, what they did there was to blank the SAM, so that it treated all passwords as blank. What I do is edit the SAM so that the password is now whatever I want.

Here's the trick: load another OS from disk (linux is the best for this, currently). Specify the directory path to the SAM file. For XP users, WINDOWS/system32/config. Run your password/registry editor of choice. Edit SAM file. Save. Reboot PC, run regular OS, log in.

Kyric, stop putting on airs. You are not holding your ground in any way, shape or form (though I admit, I didn't think of CE, handhelds and embedded platforms not typically being in my sphere). And what the heck are you talking about writing virii for?

This thread has been Windows epeen zerged.

Anywho! SC wins! it is a happy awesome program that struggled in its wake! but when....oh wtf, my choo choo died....(for those that dont understand, its a "Train of thought")

WIN!

SAM Has nothing to do with Blizzard anyways, why were we talking about that?...oh cuz you wanted to kill my win 7 ok.

Last thing about the sam, it has to be booted on top of my OS. GL HF!

i have to say that i appreciate the multi player of SCII. especially with that ingame friends list and chat stuff! i was excited when i saw that cuz i could easily talk with friends like it was Xfire!


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HF IS NOT HEAVY FLAMER! the computer is calling you gay baron! better SAM it to death!...


O.o! xD

ok have you played the custom games?
I just played cortex roleplay and it was awesome

Kyric wrote:Anywho! SC wins! it is a happy awesome program that struggled in its wake! but when....oh wtf, my choo choo died....(for those that dont understand, its a "Train of thought")

WIN!

SAM Has nothing to do with Blizzard anyways, why were we talking about that?...oh cuz you wanted to kill my win 7 ok.

Last thing about the sam, it has to be booted on top of my OS. GL HF!

i have to say that i appreciate the multi player of SCII. especially with that ingame friends list and chat stuff! i was excited when i saw that cuz i could easily talk with friends like it was Xfire!


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HF IS NOT HEAVY FLAMER! the computer is calling you gay baron! better SAM it to death!...


O.o! xD

I think, Shuma, that we've broken his brain...

AGH! im jealous! yea, the custom games are the BEST! havent heard of cortex roleplay! is it a first person deal or what? one of my fav's is nexus wars, and parasite is pretty cool.


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BaronIveagh wrote:

Kyric wrote:Anywho! SC wins! it is a happy awesome program that struggled in its wake! but when....oh wtf, my choo choo died....(for those that dont understand, its a "Train of thought")

WIN!

SAM Has nothing to do with Blizzard anyways, why were we talking about that?...oh cuz you wanted to kill my win 7 ok.

Last thing about the sam, it has to be booted on top of my OS. GL HF!

i have to say that i appreciate the multi player of SCII. especially with that ingame friends list and chat stuff! i was excited when i saw that cuz i could easily talk with friends like it was Xfire!


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HF IS NOT HEAVY FLAMER! the computer is calling you gay baron! better SAM it to death!...


O.o! xD

I think, Shuma, that we've broken his brain...

Nope. The attourneys here that "Lose" their email...just kills me...and i have been here since 7:30 dealing with some exchange servers that dont wanna co-operate. Mail migration can take it out of you when ya gotta do it apun everyone else's time, and it takes a long time because someone has 20GB Email! Meh, but what do you know. you aren't in my shoes. Exchange 2010! here i come!

Cortex roleplay. is a spawner program its a roleplaying game basically but its pretty damn strong. Ugh i hate nukenoodles.

Nuke Noodles? interesting...is it on the list? and its called Cortex Roleplay....ill have to try when i get home! it is solid right? like the triggers are complete and such?

... Again, not sure what you're up to, but it sounds like you should have arraigned to do the server migration over the weekend or at something like 3:00am. I know when I do my server work, I like to do it between 2 and 3 am to reduce system impact.

It reduces the number of executives screaming that millions of dollars are on the line and why is this not working, the slot machines are down and OMG the guy from Ballys swore this would work as soon as we turned it on and all three people on the gaming floor want to know when the nickel slots will be back up...

errm....i was in over the weekend. and it happened that at 7:00 yesterday, just after i left, while migrating users to the 2010 exchange (from 03), the 03 server locked up, and the 2010 said...wtf!? where did it go?!, so i came in at 7:00 (yea for 5:30 wake up call!) and had to fix it before everyone freaked out that thier blackberry and email wasnt working.

but yes, migrations are done on weekends. not that dumb.

Who here hates stalker spammers? And roaches...

BaronIveagh wrote:

Kyric wrote:Anywho! SC wins! it is a happy awesome program that struggled in its wake! but when....oh wtf, my choo choo died....(for those that dont understand, its a "Train of thought")

WIN!

SAM Has nothing to do with Blizzard anyways, why were we talking about that?...oh cuz you wanted to kill my win 7 ok.

Last thing about the sam, it has to be booted on top of my OS. GL HF!

i have to say that i appreciate the multi player of SCII. especially with that ingame friends list and chat stuff! i was excited when i saw that cuz i could easily talk with friends like it was Xfire!


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HF IS NOT HEAVY FLAMER! the computer is calling you gay baron! better SAM it to death!...


O.o! xD

I think, Shuma, that we've broken his brain...

Why don't you go back to talking about blizzards evil media empire or how battlenet was hacked within a week, I think the only brain thats been broken through this conversation is mine.


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Asherian Command wrote:Who here hates stalker spammers? And roaches...

Marauders answer both of those problems nicely.

Shuma is right. Spam those marauders! either that, or if you are zerg, go with a ling spam. 40 lings should be plenty to destroy 15 stalkers. (stalkers are 2 food ea, and lings are 1 ea...20 food vs 30, and they lose more money/resources.)

Well the game was like 2 days ago.

Finally beat the game last night. Going to have to go thru and do it again though because two of the nights I was playing my internet went bad so I was disconnected from Bnet and it didn't register any of the achievements.