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Monster Rain wrote:I'd actually have a great deal more respect for someone who would just admit that they want Beck off the air because they disagree with him, rather than making outlandish claims to tie his show to a danger to public safety.

I want him off the air because I disagree with him, he lies to the public, is a crook, and is turning Americans into raving idiots. His incitation of violence towards political opposition is simply the method by which my dreams might become reality.

Oh, I already respected you Shuma.

I rarely agree with you, but you do know what you're talking about more often than not. I guess your tone rubs some people the wrong way sometimes though.

Monster Rain wrote:I'd actually have a great deal more respect for someone who would just admit that they want Beck off the air because they disagree with him, rather than making outlandish claims to tie his show to a danger to public safety.

I think its more a danger to the public welfare, as in it lowers the IQ of the viewing public. Beck's like the Nixon Kennedy debate. Listen to him on the radio and you get mad. See him on TV and you just laugh and laugh.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:That's your opinion.

In my opinion from watching MSNBC it seems as if MSNBC is sleeping with Obama and the liberal side of the podium.

But when you sleep with someone you tend to be biased, eh?

It helps that you swallow everything fox feeds you, they kinda set you up to believe that. I mean, past precedent shows you're fairly misinformed on a very wide range of politically related topics. It would make sense that you would then often times regard minor bias or the truth itself as being hugely biased towards liberal agendas. Your reality skews more conservative then the real one likely precisely because you get so much of your information through centers that filter it for the conservative taste.

Nice assumption mate. You just made an ass of yourself.

How many times must I tell you that I don't WATCH or LISTEN to Fox news?

Liberal view is the truth according to who? Liberals? Pot smoking hippies? Minorities? Foreigners (as in those across the pond who think they know our country better than we do?

The town I live in (and Dogma knows where I'm from) is mostly liberal and hanging out at the local nerd shop with all the liberal nerds has me shaking my head every time I leave that place.

If what they believe is the truth then you people on the left side of the podium are as brainwashed and spoon-fed as the right-wingers you claim are the same.

But I digress. Leftists claim they are right and righties claim they are right. Neither side will convince the other.

Fateweaver wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:That's your opinion.

In my opinion from watching MSNBC it seems as if MSNBC is sleeping with Obama and the liberal side of the podium.

But when you sleep with someone you tend to be biased, eh?

It helps that you swallow everything fox feeds you, they kinda set you up to believe that. I mean, past precedent shows you're fairly misinformed on a very wide range of politically related topics. It would make sense that you would then often times regard minor bias or the truth itself as being hugely biased towards liberal agendas. Your reality skews more conservative then the real one likely precisely because you get so much of your information through centers that filter it for the conservative taste.

Nice assumption mate. You just made an ass of yourself.

How many times must I tell you that I don't WATCH or LISTEN to Fox news?

Liberal view is the truth according to who? Liberals? Pot smoking hippies? Minorities? Foreigners (as in those across the pond who think they know our country better than we do?

The town I live in (and Dogma knows where I'm from) is mostly liberal and hanging out at the local nerd shop with all the liberal nerds has me shaking my head every time I leave that place.

If what they believe is the truth then you people on the left side of the podium are as brainwashed and spoon-fed as the right-wingers you claim are the same.

But I digress. Leftists claim they are right and righties claim they are right. Neither side will convince the other.

And where do you get your news precisely?

Modquisition on. Lets keep it in cahoots with Dakka Rule #1 gents.

Monster Rain wrote:I'd actually have a great deal more respect for someone who would just admit that they want Beck off the air because they disagree with him, rather than making outlandish claims to tie his show to a danger to public safety.

I remember having a conversation with one of my more stereotypical liberal friends that went something like this:

Friend: What will it take to get his violent drivel off the air, someone dying with the words "Beck made me do it on his lips"?!?

Me: Yeah, pretty much, maybe not even then.

Friend: That's not acceptable.

Me: It doesn't matter if you can accept it, that's the way it is.

In any case, I take comfort in knowing that anyone foolish enough to take Beck seriously is probably either too foolish to locate a ballot box, or too disenfranchised to try and find one.

dogma wrote:

In any case, I take comfort in knowing that anyone foolish enough to take Beck seriously is probably either too foolish to locate a ballot box, or too disenfranchised to try and find one.

I'd take comfort in that as well, if not for the fact that nearly all such people are also armed to the teeth.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

dogma wrote:

In any case, I take comfort in knowing that anyone foolish enough to take Beck seriously is probably either too foolish to locate a ballot box, or too disenfranchised to try and find one.

I'd take comfort in that as well, if not for the fact that nearly all such people are also armed to the teeth.

And yet so few people are assassinated for political reasons.

Monster Rain wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

dogma wrote:

In any case, I take comfort in knowing that anyone foolish enough to take Beck seriously is probably either too foolish to locate a ballot box, or too disenfranchised to try and find one.

I'd take comfort in that as well, if not for the fact that nearly all such people are also armed to the teeth.

And yet so few people are assassinated for political reasons.

And yet some are and Mr Beck is hardly causing that figure to go down... we have no evidence that he's caused it to go up...yet, but time will tell if he is allowed to continue his vitriolic accusations.

We can't honestly say that Glenn Beck is having an effect on political violence one way or the other. I'm also wondering if there have been any politically motivated murders or attempted murders that haven't been committed by people that were a bit off to begin with?

Should Jodie Foster be removed from the public eye due to her negative effect on John Hinckley?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

dogma wrote:

In any case, I take comfort in knowing that anyone foolish enough to take Beck seriously is probably either too foolish to locate a ballot box, or too disenfranchised to try and find one.

I'd take comfort in that as well, if not for the fact that nearly all such people are also armed to the teeth.

And yet so few people are assassinated for political reasons.

And yet some are and Mr Beck is hardly causing that figure to go down... we have no evidence that he's caused it to go up...yet, but time will tell if he is allowed to continue his vitriolic accusations.

You actually have to have one before you can make the claim. To date, you don't.

There also seems to be willful ignorance of his many quotes that decry violence.

Again, I wouldn't sit through an episode of his show if I wasn't being paid to, but I don't think he's the Antichrist either.

And if people don't like Glenn Beck they should check out Michael Savage. He's a hell of a lot worse.

I agree with Monster Rain. Savage makes my ears bleed.

Thing is I'm not the right wing nutjob certain posters on this forum think I am. Hell, I'm pro-choice when it comes to abortions; I don't think gays are going to take over the world and turn me into one of them. I'm right of center but I'm not Savage or Beck right of center.

@Shuma. I very rarely watch or listen to news. Not world news at least. I skim Yahoo for any updates and if a story grabs my attention I'll read more about it. Most news I listen to is local, ie city and county news, maybe even State news.

The only thing I really pay attention to politically is the NRA website. Go figure eh?

Fateweaver wrote:I agree with Monster Rain. Savage makes my ears bleed.

Thing is I'm not the right wing nutjob certain posters on this forum think I am. Hell, I'm pro-choice when it comes to abortions; I don't think gays are going to take over the world and turn me into one of them. I'm right of center but I'm not Savage or Beck right of center.

@Shuma. I very rarely watch or listen to news. Not world news at least. I skim Yahoo for any updates and if a story grabs my attention I'll read more about it. Most news I listen to is local, ie city and county news, maybe even State news.

The only thing I really pay attention to politically is the NRA website. Go figure eh?

Then how do you know what MSN or NBC are like? You don't know what on their networks because you don't watch them, you don't know what they're talking about because you don't really follow the news, yet you maintain that they have a severe liberal bias.

That doesn't strike you as a tad sheepish?

I've watched them in the past. Then I stopped watching because when I watched Clinton was in office and it was all about how Clinton was this and that and how the things he wanted were so awesome and great. Not Obamasiah great but great.

Then Bush came into being and even Bush Sr. was depicted by MSNBC and CNN as some incompetent moron, which clearly showed me what side of the podium the news anchors/reporters were on concerning those networks.

Maybe it's changed but I saw enough to distort my view of those networks and leave me jaded. Just as my view of certain posters on this board is a bit jaded.

I've watched them in the past. Then I stopped watching because when I watched Clinton was in office and it was all about how Clinton was this and that and how the things he wanted were so awesome and great. Not Obamasiah great but great.

Then Bush came into being and even Bush Sr. was depicted by MSNBC and CNN as some incompetent moron, which clearly showed me what side of the podium the news anchors/reporters were on concerning those networks.

Ahh, so the fact that virtually every tracked aspect of performance in American security, economics, rights, and global standing took a hit starting a month into bushes reign and ending with the financial collapse at the end of it had nothing to do with it. His failures were reported because of liberal bias and not the legitimate and repeated failures of his administration in almost every field.

Got it.

Maybe it's changed but I saw enough to distort my view of those networks and leave me jaded.

How old were you and what was your political standing at the time. The time being a decade ago.

You seriously think the economy collapse started with Bush Sr. and not Clinton?

I could ask why, if Obama is so great as a liberal President, the economy hasn't improved noticeably in 2 years (hello 9%+ unemployment in some states STILL) ? The border wars in Mexico are getting worse and oh look, we still have troops in Afghan and there are more going in in May.

Yeah, Obama is doing such an awesome job and yet he is still pictured as some sort of "hero".

I was in my early 20's when Bush Sr. took the Oath and my political standing has always been right of center. Like I said, not Beck or Savage or Limbaugh right but I do lean right.

I have voted liberal, shock and awe. I voted for our current governor who is Dem. and I voted for the current mayor who is also Dem. I consider myself right of center due to the majority of my voting being for Republican candidates.

Contrary to what most liberals think Shuma it doesn't take having a college degree to vote. Being for one party or the other is supposed to be based on how you feel about issues, not what people feed you. From what I gather in my hometown the typical liberal view is what the liberal college brats are spoon fed by their liberal college professors.

Maybe I should drink liberal koolaid. What flavor is it? My koolaid is red and has kind of an almond taste to it. Must be from Jim Jones' stock.

You seriously think the economy collapse started with Bush Sr. and not Clinton?

I think raegan started the ball rolling and the deregulatory spirit of the 90's and 00's cemented the culture of credit that created the housing bubble and removed all oversight from the financial industry.

Do you seriously think it was clinton?

I could ask why, if Obama is so great as a liberal President, the economy hasn't improved noticeably in 2 years (hello 9%+ unemployment in some states STILL) ? The border wars in Mexico are getting worse and oh look, we still have troops in Afghan and there are more going in in May.

The economy has improved dramatically, you're clearly not an economist. Unemployment is the employment rate, not the economic output of the country. Our economy has returned to pre-collapse levels, the reason people don't have their jobs back is because there were too many jobs before. If we can shed that many jobs and then be back to peak performance for GDP within 2 years then those people were clearly part of a system that had a lot of fat to trim in the first place. It ever occur to you that those jobs were lost precisely because the economy was bloated and wasteful pre recession? Its going to take a half decade or more for jobs to get back to a prefall level, just like virtually every respectable economist in the country predicted in 2009-2010.

Also, the hell does this have to do with what I asked you (though its funny as the collapse actually reduced border crossings)?

Yeah, Obama is doing such an awesome job and yet he is still pictured as some sort of "hero".

It's funny how the hyperconservatives are the only ones calling him that. They use quotes, but still they're the only ones even bringing it up.

I was in my early 20's when Bush Sr. took the Oath and my political standing has always been right of center. Like I said, not Beck or Savage or Limbaugh right but I do lean right.

According to most of your stated views on this forum you're father right then O'rielly. You're pretty far from the middle on the political spectrum.

I have voted liberal, shock and awe. I voted for our current governor who is Dem. and I voted for the current mayor who is also Dem. I consider myself right of center due to the majority of my voting being for Republican candidates.

You should base your political standing on the issues and not who you vote for. Otherwise it's like putting the cart before the horse.

Contrary to what most liberals think Shuma it doesn't take having a college degree to vote.

Really? I had no idea. Thank you for pointing that out.

Being for one party or the other is supposed to be based on how you feel about issues, not what people feed you.

How you feel about issues is based on what information you are fed.

From what I gather in my hometown the typical liberal view is what the liberal college brats are spoon fed by their liberal college professors.

This what you're learning in the local game store?

Maybe I should drink liberal koolaid. What flavor is it? My koolaid is red and has kind of an almond taste to it. Must be from Jim Jones' stock.

Try to avoid koolaid, I know it's easy to make and easier to drink, but it's empty.

Monster Rain wrote:I'd actually have a great deal more respect for someone who would just admit that they want Beck off the air because they disagree with him, rather than making outlandish claims to tie his show to a danger to public safety.

Seriously, read about the Tides Foundation. A guy went there, guns in hand, to shoot the place up. Incredibly luckily he was stopped by police before he arrived, and was arrested after a shoot out. And the big and really important thing to understand is that the only place the Tides Foundation has ever appeared in the kookosphere was in Beck's rants. The only reason the attempted killer even knew the incredibly obscure Tides Foundation existed is through Beck. He has in at least one instance incited a crazy to go shoot some people.

Personally, I'd have more respect if people said they recognised Beck was dangerous, but censoring him is creates too great a risk that it might lead to legitimate speach being dismissed down the track. Pretending what he's doing isn't dangerous is ridiculous.


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Fateweaver wrote:How many times must I tell you that I don't WATCH or LISTEN to Fox news?

Probably about a dozen more times. But maybe more.

Meanwhile, you still haven't clarified which of your two statements you actually believe, is MSNBC as biased as FOX, or is it merely biased but not as much as FOX. Because you originally claimed the very silly first, then retracted to the second.

Liberal view is the truth according to who?

There is no specific liberal view, just as there is no specific conservative view. The two terms are just a way for people to treat the whole thing as a football game and bash heads. Which would be fun and all, except it makes the people who play that game into idiots.

Foreigners (as in those across the pond who think they know our country better than we do?

I'm not from the US, and I don't think I know your country's politics better than Americans. I just think I know US politics better than you do.

I don't dispute that you do but you take a greater interest in it than I do. Why? I'm not sure but I'm not nor will I ever admit to getting into politics beyond "I like what this person stands for so I'm going to vote for him/her."

I have no interest in poli-sci nor will I ever. To some posters on here the fact I'm not a poli-sci major makes me a koolaid drinker or nutjob for the right. If there is no specific right or left view then your statement about it being a football game means that Shuma and Dogma are calling me a "righty nutjob" because they are players of the game and idiots. In that I agree with you.

I have no interest in poli-sci nor will I ever. To some posters on here the fact I'm not a poli-sci major makes me a koolaid drinker or nutjob for the right.

No, the fact that your views and opinions often make no sense and are terrifying while being almost perfectly in line with Becks talking points makes you a koolaid drinker or a nutjob for the right. To date, I don't think dogmas ever called you a nutjob.

I find it terrifying that liberal pansies think there is no "bad" to all the illegals entering our country; that Muslim extremists should be ignored or not taken seriously while at the same time whining about the Westboro Baptists protesting funerals of gay or Catholic peoples; etc, etc.

Liberals don't want the US turning into a police State but instead want it turned into a nanny State. How is a nanny state better than a police state?

You seriously think the economy collapse started with Bush Sr. and not Clinton?

to FateWeaver: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that Clinton actually improved the economy, and that by the end of his second term, our national debt was starting to get smaller.
Perhaps I'm getting in way over my head on this, but I just wanted to point this out.
As for my opinion on the topic, I sincerely wish that Glenn Beck would just shut up already.

I find it terrifying that liberal pansies think there is no "bad" to all the illegals entering our country; that Muslim extremists should be ignored or not taken seriously while at the same time whining about the Westboro Baptists protesting funerals of gay or Catholic peoples; etc, etc.

Yeah, it's one sided bs like that. Stuff that is totally unrepresentative of reality that is creepy. The fact that you believe that liberals don't think terrorists should be taken seriously, or that they (as if they were one entity at all) want open borders. Thats not correct. Its never been correct. You have and will always be wrong about that because at a very basic level you understand nothing about the political, social, or economic environment of this country or planet. You have this world in your head where liberals are spineless cowards who just want to hug Osama and let all the mexicans in because it's a unicorn planet, until you can get all that out you're never going to actually understand the real world. It's a complicated place, stop trying to make it black and white to suit your ideology.

Liberals don't want the US turning into a police State but instead want it turned into a nanny State. How is a nanny state better than a police state

It's like you're written by george lucas.

Fateweaver wrote:I find it terrifying that liberal pansies think there is no "bad" to all the illegals entering our country; that Muslim extremists should be ignored or not taken seriously while at the same time whining about the Westboro Baptists protesting funerals of gay or Catholic peoples; etc, etc.

Liberals don't want the US turning into a police State but instead want it turned into a nanny State. How is a nanny state better than a police state?

As a liberal I find many bad points to illegals entering the country.

As a liberal I believe the threat posed by extremists of many kinds, Islamic amongst them, should be taken very seriously.

As a liberal I believe my complaints about the Westboro Baptists protesting the funerals of ANYONE including servicemen and women, are not whining but valid objections to obscene behaviour.

As a liberal I wish neither a police nor nanny state, I simply wish more care for those who need it.

As a liberal, I am personally insulted by your referral to people who are liberal as 'pansies'. You suggest that my political leanings make me less of a man, I find your need to undermine that somewhat telling about you as a man.

It's statements like the one I've just quoted that cause people here to call you a 'koolaid drinking nutjob', you koolaid drinking nutjob.

Koolaid is awesome.

From my view of things, in and around my community, that is mostly liberal is that all my points are as valid as Shuma's.

If the liberal view around me is not representative of the world liberal view than I obviously am not the only one drinking koolaid.

I'll end this discussion (or should I say petty cat fight tween me and Shuma and now apparently MGS) before I get banned.

Fateweaver wrote:I don't dispute that you do but you take a greater interest in it than I do. Why?

I like US politics because everything is turned to 11. The true believers are like ours, but they believe on a level ours could never reach, the mercenaries are like ours, but really open about saying or doing anything to chase the dollars.

I'm not sure but I'm not nor will I ever admit to getting into politics beyond "I like what this person stands for so I'm going to vote for him/her."

Which is fine. It's how most people operate, and it's all that's needed for democracy. All the extra detail we go into is just for our own fun, I'd never pretend otherwise.

I have no interest in poli-sci nor will I ever. To some posters on here the fact I'm not a poli-sci major makes me a koolaid drinker or nutjob for the right. If there is no specific right or left view then your statement about it being a football game means that Shuma and Dogma are calling me a "righty nutjob" because they are players of the game and idiots. In that I agree with you.

So there isn't a football game. But there are people who believe there is. You talk a lot about what 'liberals' are like, and this makes you look like a koolaid drinker, going into battle against the monolithic liberal block that exists in your head.

And you repeat a lot of conservative talking points, including a lot of very obviously false ones. The only conclusion we can draw is that you're absorbing a lot of Republican press releases from somewhere, either knowingly or unknowingly, and these are forming your worldview.

sebster wrote:Seriously, read about the Tides Foundation. A guy went there, guns in hand, to shoot the place up. Incredibly luckily he was stopped by police before he arrived, and was arrested after a shoot out. And the big and really important thing to understand is that the only place the Tides Foundation has ever appeared in the kookosphere was in Beck's rants. The only reason the attempted killer even knew the incredibly obscure Tides Foundation existed is through Beck. He has in at least one instance incited a crazy to go shoot some people.

Because the guy was a model citizen before Glenn Beck turned him into an automaton of death? From what I can tell this guy already had problems and something was going to set him off sooner or later. Probably that damn Jodie Foster.

sebster wrote:Personally, I'd have more respect if people said they recognised Beck was dangerous, but censoring him is creates too great a risk that it might lead to legitimate speach being dismissed down the track. Pretending what he's doing isn't dangerous is ridiculous.

If there was an demonstrable causal relationship between Glenn Beck and violence the show would already be off the air.

People don't like what he says and want him removed, end of.

Again, I don't watch the show and can't stand the guy.

Fateweaver wrote: If there is no specific right or left view then your statement about it being a football game means that Shuma and Dogma are calling me a "righty nutjob" because they are players of the game and idiots. In that I agree with you.

I've never called you a right-wing nutjob. I think that almost every political opinion you hold is based on an erroneous understanding of factual information, but that's an entirely different matter.