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dogma wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:
but as seiously as some people take him, does he have to be over the line for an unstable follower to take it over for him? if so how far over?

Does this mean that J.D. Salinger is responsible for writing and awful book, and for killing John Lennon?

did Salinger stoke fires of political turmoil like GB does?

Mr Mystery wrote:Does it mean Bin Laden is responsible for the various terrorist attacks?

Seriously?! of course it does. simply due to that's what he wants them to do!

And this guy would like to see someone else dead. My entire point.

Glenn beck is a troll and needs to be banhammered off that god forsaken station.

alarmingrick wrote:
did Salinger stoke fires of political turmoil like GB does?

Salinger has, apparently, incited at least 2 murders. Glenn Beck has, thus far, incited none.

Yeah, but just imagine if he DID kill Michael Moore. Like live on TV. Two jerks, one stone...

I dunno, I don't hate Glenny specifically, he is a product of our times. Mainstream media is so F'd it's not even funny; he is a symptom, not the cause. Let him rant all he wants I guess, it's not like getting rid of him would cause the need he fulfills to disappear.

and on that note, a little levity

dogma wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:
did Salinger stoke fires of political turmoil like GB does?

Salinger has, apparently, incited at least 2 murders. Glenn Beck has, thus far, incited none.

But it's not like Salinger was on the tv/radio everyday talking about how Lennon was a socialist trying to destroy America.
GB and the like are almost herding the crazies to the conclusions that could very easily end in murder.

alarmingrick wrote:
But it's not like Salinger was on the tv/radio everyday talking about how Lennon was a socialist trying to destroy America.
GB and the like are almost herding the crazies to the conclusions that could very easily end in murder.

Honestly, I think that most of his audience is composed of liberals looking to be outraged, and probably some conservatives looking to call out their side of the spectrum as well.

I know that I've watched him like I watch videos of people falling on their face, or Jackass.

You might be surprised. I know several former coworkers who thought that Glenn Beck was a reputable source of information and that Fox News was not only unbiased but the only unbiased source of news.

Frazzled wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:When a 78 year old woman actually is murdered for being left wing?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2011/jan/24/us-politics-fox-news

Glenn Beck has made repeated mention lately of Frances Fox Piven, a 78-year-old liberal academic and CUNY professor. In Beck's view, Piven's a veritable enemy of the Constitution who's responsible for a plan to intentionally "sabotage" the American economic system. Piven, pictured, actually authored The Nation story that led Beck to this conclusion 45 years ago. It's called "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty," and proposes "that if people overwhelmed the welfare rolls, the system could force reform and give rise to changes like a guaranteed income." Somehow, Beck links what he termed "the Cloward-Piven Strategy" to Obama's statement during the 2008 presidential campaign that "we are days away from transforming America." Beck also accused Piven of "inciting violence" in The Nation this month by writing that unemployed people should be staging protests. Anonymous visitors to Beck's website have now called for this lady's death, and some, she said, have even contacted her directly.

So, after the extreme right pouted at accusations of incitement to violence following the Arizona shootings, what will it take to make Beck and the other wellsprings of hatefrothing shut up and be removed from the mainstream media 'news'? Will it require that this elderly lady is shot or will it require a guy with a teeshirt with I heart Glenn Beck on it gunning down a school hall or will that also be dismissed as a 'socialist, communist, muslim, neo-nazi conspiracy started by our illegal president' by that spewing twit with a blackboard?

Just why is Beck and his fellow demagogues of the church of the tinfoil hat not removed from alleged news channels.

We have free speech in the USA. That means for everyone, including poeple you don't like. As a potential future citizen you might start thinking about that MGS.

Tell that gak to the FCC, I'm sure they'll get a kick out of it before handing you the no fly list of what you can and can't say on tv. Boobs? Two hundred thousand dollar fine. Calling for the blood of members of an opposing political party? Free speech.

Yep. Go America.


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Melissia wrote:You might be surprised. I know several former coworkers who thought that Glenn Beck was a reputable source of information and that Fox News was not only unbiased but the only unbiased source of news.

I've known quite a few as well. I still do.

Frazzled wrote:[
Not liking the message...good.
Making statements that he should be taken off...bad

He SHOULD be taken off. He is human garbage. He shouldn't be forced off, but it would be nice if those who employ him had even an iota of dignity and common sense, but well...

That being said He could still stand out on a street corner and spout his crazy talk if he chose (free speech and all), maybe even wear a tinfoil hat while he does it...

CT GAMER wrote: even wear a tinfoil hat while he does it...

I thought he did wear a tinfoil hat/crown?

Am I the only one that thinks that the lady Beck was talking about was spouting some pretty wacky gak herself?

Nope, not at all. Crazies tend to attract other crazies, and Beck is just so well known because he's got a nice big TV show going on.

Albatross wrote:Am I the only one that thinks that the lady Beck was talking about was spouting some pretty wacky gak herself?

How right you are Alby, Frances Fox Piven is an advocate of violent revolution in her politics. She wants the Riots of Greece to happen here. She want s the system to collapse so she and people like her (Progressives) can remake the country with more economical justice (fancy way of dressing up socialism).

The sheer amount of fascistic thought on this thread pains my soul. "I don't like what he says, take him off the air!" That's a cry from a fascist. I would suggest you get the view straight from the source, not saying you have to agree with him or even enjoy watching his show or listening to his radio program, just don't take someone else's word for it.


Glenn has repeatedly said he abhors violence and anyone who claims he inspired them is crazy. Stop being childish people.

Stormrider wrote:

Albatross wrote:Am I the only one that thinks that the lady Beck was talking about was spouting some pretty wacky gak herself?

How right you are Alby, Frances Fox Piven is an advocate of violent revolution in her politics. She wants the Riots of Greece to happen here. She want s the system to collapse so she and people like her (Progressives) can remake the country with more economical justice (fancy way of dressing up socialism).

The sheer amount of fascistic thought on this thread pains my soul. "I don't like what he says, take him off the air!" That's a cry from a fascist. I would suggest you get the view straight from the source, not saying you have to agree with him or even enjoy watching his show or listening to his radio program, just don't take someone else's word for it.


Glenn has repeatedly said he abhors violence and anyone who claims he inspired them is crazy. Stop being childish people.

You can't really advocate and abhor something at the same time without a rather sheepish audience. Becks' got that in spades though. Piven advocated peaceful socio-economic revolution through manipulation of the welfare system. She also encouraged protests. These are not advocating violent revolution any more then beck is advocating violent political suppression.

fas·cism   
[fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.
( initial capital letter ) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

Also, censorship is not inherently fascism, nor is the wish that someone be taken off the air of a private network fascistic. Glenn Beck is an incompetent and corrupt demagogue who plays on false fears and bad science to fatten his wallet. The man has no place in political discourse, and he certainly shouldn't have a primetime show on a major news network. Wanting him gone isn't fascist, it's common sense. How he is removed is what would make it fascistic, and somehow I don't think people are asking Obama to throw him into guantanamo bay.

Thanks for the hyperbole though, it goes great with the skewing of widely available information and the redirection of fault/backpedaling Beck and his fans love to practice.

To be clear, I would only be happy to see Glenn Beck on my TV screen if it was a news story reporting that he'd been found in a ditch with a single gunshot wound to the head. Let's just say that I'm not a fan.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that Piven sounds equally as crazy.

Albatross wrote:To be clear, I would only be happy to see Glenn Beck on my TV screen if it was a news story reporting that he'd been found in a ditch with a single gunshot wound to the head. Let's just say that I'm not a fan.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that Piven sounds equally as crazy.

Agreed.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Albatross wrote:To be clear, I would only be happy to see Glenn Beck on my TV screen if it was a news story reporting that he'd been found in a ditch with a single gunshot wound to the head. Let's just say that I'm not a fan.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that Piven sounds equally as crazy.

Agreed.

Sweet Jesus and Mary Chain! I almost choked on my monocle!

Dark Eldar have been released, Duke Nukem Forever has a release date, Albatross and Shuma agree, and I'm pretty sure I saw Satan buying some winter coats in town today.

dogma wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
In a unfunny way. Glenn beck has to be one of the most useless sources of news on the planet.

As Dane Cook is to George Carlin, Glenn Beck is to John Stewart.

Such a good comparison, wow.

TBH, I think we are focusing too much on Glen. Yes, he is a complete idiot, but share the loathing with Bill O'reilly, an equally stupid person, possibly more. Because Bill actually thinks what he says is true, and that he is right, while I think Glen sort of just feths around.

Glen should be on comedy central.

In the end, whatever we say doesn't matter. Glen/Bill won't change their viewpoint until their death. I think its funny how everyone is saying "Oh, he's bad for saying he wants to kill Michale Moore" when we are clearly implying we would kill Glen Beck if given the chance.

Melissia wrote:You might be surprised. I know several former coworkers who thought that Glenn Beck was a reputable source of information and that Fox News was not only unbiased but the only unbiased source of news.

Yay Texas... Every family event I go to I get to hear about this. At some point when a football game isn't on, FOX news usually gets flipped to.

Karon wrote:

dogma wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
In a unfunny way. Glenn beck has to be one of the most useless sources of news on the planet.

As Dane Cook is to George Carlin, Glenn Beck is to John Stewart.

Such a good comparison, wow.

TBH, I think we are focusing too much on Glen. Yes, he is a complete idiot, but share the loathing with Bill O'reilly, an equally stupid person, possibly more. Because Bill actually thinks what he says is true, and that he is right, while I think Glen sort of just feths around.

Glen should be on comedy central.

In the end, whatever we say doesn't matter. Glen/Bill won't change their viewpoint until their death. I think its funny how everyone is saying "Oh, he's bad for saying he wants to kill Michale Moore" when we are clearly implying we would kill Glen Beck if given the chance.

I never implied that. Merely that I dislike the stupid fether.

Implied, schmimplied - I make no bones about the fact that I would gladly see the man dead. I find him repellent.

Unlike Fox, I don't claim to be Fair *or* Balanced.

There's also a difference twixt spods on the internet, and a tosser on the telly.

In a legal sense? No, not really...speech online is held to the same standards as public speech as far as I know.

I'm not saying I would kill him. Not at all. Would I be sad if I saw it on the news?

Again, not at all.

By comparison to Glen Beck's own words and actions, albatross can't be criticised for wanting him dead unless you accept that Glen Beck should be criticised too. And once again, freedom of speech does not entitle you to a national TV platform. That is something he has got, but not a right he is entitled to if the TV executives decide to take it away.

Karon wrote: In the end, whatever we say doesn't matter. Glen/Bill won't change their viewpoint until their death. I think its funny how everyone is saying "Oh, he's bad for saying he wants to kill Michale Moore" when we are clearly implying we would kill Glen Beck if given the chance.

I think one of the Worst "Oreally" moments has to be when the "Pinhead" said WE (the USA), were responsible for the Malmedy massacre in WWII, when it was actually GIs that where killed!

and i think you are off a bit Karon. i think the bigger point is "how long until the people realize what a donkey cave he is", not let's find his schedule and a good vantage point. i like others have
said, i don't want him dead, but i won't miss any sleep if he were.

here's a link to the O'Reilly story. now before all of you Beck believers cry fowl, the link is to MediaMatters.org. i get that you don't trust them, but just listen to/read the story. it plays him in his own words.
as much as the Right doesn't trust MM, they can't control what the man said himself, on air.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200606030002

"... Bill O'Reilly falsely accused -- for the second time -- U.S. troops of committing the massacre at Malmédy, Belgium, during World War II. On Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor two days earlier, O'Reilly had attempted to compare the incident at Malmédy to the alleged killings in Haditha, Iraq. O'Reilly stated: "In Malmédy, as you know, U.S. forces captured SS forces who had their hands in the air and they were unarmed and they shot them down." In fact, 84 American bodies were found at Malmédy murdered by SS troops."

I'm not saying he's entitled to it at all. I wouldn't cry boo hoo if Glenn's TV show got taken away from him, not at all. I think Glenn can be criticized as much as we want to for what he said, the same as we'd criticize anyone here. Glenn just happens to have a way of spreading his word much farther than the average human being.

Stormrider wrote:
How right you are Alby, Frances Fox Piven is an advocate of violent revolution in her politics. She wants the Riots of Greece to happen here. She want s the system to collapse so she and people like her (Progressives) can remake the country with more economical justice (fancy way of dressing up socialism).

No, if that's what you think then you have never read anything that she has written. She isn't a very good political scientist, but she also doesn't advocate the violent overthrow of the state. Even the article that Beck claims as an incitement to violence is nothing of the sort. Its literally a theory predicated on the idea that full use of present welfare benefits would cause the system to collapse, not the state, but the welfare system. I don't think she's right, but she also isn't what you're talking about.

Stormrider wrote:
Glenn has repeatedly said he abhors violence and anyone who claims he inspired them is crazy. Stop being childish people.

While I don't consider Beck to be anything other than a poor entertainer, simply saying that one abhors violence doesn't really matter. The skinhead gang Volksfront has repeatedly made public statements about its hatred of violence, while also having its members beat homeless black people to death.