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2011/02/02 01:23:39
Subject: Re:Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
I wish, Fateweaver, that it was just the "crazies" that took Beck's messages to heart. I hear his ideas quoted by people all the time.
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2011/02/02 04:09:41
Subject: Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
sebster wrote:Instead we've got this kind of defence by proxy weirdness, where the usual suspects are attempting the defend Beck against attacks no-one is making.
You're saying he's dangerous and people disagree with you.
How is that an attack that "no one is making," exactly?
sebster wrote:Okay, now note how many people you know, and how many people on the internet have said Glenn Beck is dangerous. I'm guessing it's lots of people, on lots of occasions. Now consider how many actual efforts have been made at having Glenn Beck considered so dangerous that he must be removed from the air. The answer is zero. No efforts. Not one. So it becomes very clear, very quickly that people pointing out that Glenn Beck is dangerous really aren't part of any plan to have Glenn Beck removed
sebster wrote:Instead we've got this kind of defence by proxy weirdness, where the usual suspects are attempting the defend Beck against attacks no-one is making.
You're saying he's dangerous and people disagree with you.
How is that an attack that "no one is making," exactly?
Well, i think he's dangerous, i just don't won't him "forced" off.
he's just not imploding fast enough.
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2011/02/02 04:48:42
Subject: Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
sebster wrote:Instead we've got this kind of defence by proxy weirdness, where the usual suspects are attempting the defend Beck against attacks no-one is making.
You're saying he's dangerous and people disagree with you.
How is that an attack that "no one is making," exactly?
Well, i think he's dangerous, i just don't won't him "forced" off.
I get that. It's a rather common standpoint.
I don't think he's going to convince an otherwise sane person to commit random acts of violence, nor do I think he's giving out any information that couldn't also be found on Google. Someone who wanted to kill people who are liberal doesn't need Glenn Beck to tell them where to find them.
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2011/02/02 05:13:47
Subject: Re:Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
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here you go....
This, if taken by itself alone, is not anything to be worried about really. He was worked up into one of his little frenzies (which is why I abhor his show) and probably just said the wrong thing. I would hope he was talked to by his producer about that one.
However....
Emperors Faithful wrote:For someone that abhors violence he seems to get a stiffy from dealing with 'the bad guys'.
When you add in this.... For someone so for the "American Way", he doesn't really seem to like the Rights of the People, does he? Now, I partly agree with him in the fact that this dude is a terrorist bastard and we should be doing more to him than most, but torturing and "shooting him in the head" is not really going to help us that much, especially not with the powers already on the fence about us being over there.
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Also, I really, really fething hope that that was done in Alaska....
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2011/02/02 05:34:02
Subject: Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
Monster Rain wrote:You're saying he's dangerous and people disagree with you.
How is that an attack that "no one is making," exactly?
Given that's an attack people have made, it obviously isn't the one I was referring to. Instead, it's the other defence, started by Fraz, that Beck has the right of free speech to say what he wants. Which was a defence made against government censorship, something no-one had even mentioned before Fraz came in to defend him.
So there's at least one and I looked for 3 seconds. Boom goes the dynamite.
Umm, what? Never in the history of this Earth, and it's a long history, has an opinion piece ever gotten someone taken off the air. That is just not how process works. Actually getting someone taken off the air would involve legislation in congress, or an initiative within the FCC. That would be how you actually get someone taken off the air.
That hasn't happened, despite all the people saying Beck is dangerous. Because the goal isn't to sneak Beck off the air to stop him saying that stuff. The goal is for people to realise Beck's show is dangerous.
And again, note that no-one is claiming the much more influential pundits, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, are dangerous, and it'd be much better for the left if those guys were off the air. At which point you have to realise that there is no plan to use danger as an excuse to sneak Beck off the air.
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Monster Rain wrote:I get that. It's a rather common standpoint.
When folk wanted to claim that the dangerous thing was just an excuse, and I pointed out I thought he was dangerous but didn't want him off the air... it was just me. Now it's a common standpoint. Whatever.
I don't think he's going to convince an otherwise sane person to commit random acts of violence, nor do I think he's giving out any information that couldn't also be found on Google. Someone who wanted to kill people who are liberal doesn't need Glenn Beck to tell them where to find them.
It isn't a binary state, you know... sane or violently insane. As has been explained several times, the issue is people who on the edge, who have violent and paranoid tendencies. They aren't certain to tip over the edge, but they might, and having someone spout dangerous conspiracies at them every night certainly doesn't help. It makes it more likely someone will go over the edge.
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2011/02/02 06:01:18
Subject: Re:Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
I must thank the gods that he's not on television here, nor do we have an equivalent (Finally, the ACMA comes in handy).
From the material provided (The transcripts and the videos), as well as some slight independant study via Youtube videos, I'd have to conclude the guy is a grade A moron who hates alot of people. I'd prefer he wasn't on any television simply based on that (Does that count as wanting him off because I disagree with him Monster? Do I get more respect? ). My brain can't comprehend the intelligence of some who are taken to be reputable sources, but I suppose those who take them at word value are just as bad if not worse.
But, is he dangerous? From the outside looking in, I'd say no more than any other idiot. People who take in his arguments are going to believe that stuff anyway, they've just got a convenient way of getting the information. Much like people who are mentally challenged, and actually act on his words are going to find people to attempt to harm (In this case, 'Liberals') regardless.
sebster wrote:Umm, what? Never in the history of this Earth, and it's a long history, has an opinion piece ever gotten someone taken off the air. That is just not how process works. Actually getting someone taken off the air would involve legislation in congress, or an initiative within the FCC. That would be how you actually get someone taken off the air.
That hasn't happened, despite all the people saying Beck is dangerous. Because the goal isn't to sneak Beck off the air to stop him saying that stuff. The goal is for people to realise Beck's show is dangerous.
And again, note that no-one is claiming the much more influential pundits, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, are dangerous, and it'd be much better for the left if those guys were off the air. At which point you have to realise that there is no plan to use danger as an excuse to sneak Beck off the air.
That's all rather beside the point. You said there are Zero people saying he should be removed from the air because he's dangerous. I showed that there is at least one, that's all. Whether or not he will be removed from Fox News because of it is completely irrelevant.
The fact remains that are people who think he's dangerous but don't want him to be taken off the air, and there are people that are using the idea as a convenient excuse to say that he should be taken off the air for the public safety. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/exposing-glenn-beck-as-a_b_528966.html This is a good example of it. You don't have to come directly out and say "This show should be removed from broadcast" when it's this heavily implied.
I'm sorry this fact upsets some posters so much.
VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:IFrom the material provided (The transcripts and the videos), as well as some slight independant study via Youtube videos, I'd have to conclude the guy is a grade A moron who hates alot of people. I'd prefer he wasn't on any television simply based on that (Does that count as wanting him off because I disagree with him Monster? Do I get more respect? ).
Frankly, yes you do. I like honesty.
I agree with you that the show is pretty unwatchable, even as a goof. I actually agree with pretty much everything you said, really.
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2011/02/02 07:00:19
Subject: Re:Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
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Monster Rain wrote: You said there are Zero people saying he should be removed from the air because he's dangerous.
He didn't say that zero people are saying he should be removed (heck people on this thread have said as much), he said that there have been zero attempts to remove him.
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2011/02/02 07:54:03
Subject: Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
Monster Rain wrote:That's all rather beside the point. You said there are Zero people saying he should be removed from the air because he's dangerous.
Wow. I mean, I get that you can misread something, we all do it. You did it here, and it's no biggie. But to just insist your initial reading was correct, and not even bother to go back and check it? That's just plain lazy.
Here's what I said "Now consider how many actual efforts have been made at having Glenn Beck considered so dangerous that he must be removed from the air. The answer is zero. No efforts. Not one."
The wording is very clear, I am talking about actual efforts to have Beck removed.
Whether or not he will be removed from Fox News because of it is completely irrelevant.
No, it's very relevant. Because without there at least being an effort to remove him from television, then the plan to declare him dangerous in order to remove him from television doesn't exist. You've just got people saying he's dangerous... and then nothing.
At which point it becomes clear the plan to have him declared dangerous and then removed from the air exists on no level but in the imaginations of people looking to defend Beck. And once we discard that fantasy, we have to consider other possible reasons why people might call Beck dangerous. We might, for instance, consider they actually think spouting delusional conspiracy theories is dangerous.
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2011/02/02 15:47:13
Subject: Re:Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
Monster Rain wrote: You said there are Zero people saying he should be removed from the air because he's dangerous.
He didn't say that zero people are saying he should be removed (heck people on this thread have said as much), he said that there have been zero attempts to remove him.
I must have misread it then.
My bad.
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2011/02/03 00:36:45
Subject: Re:Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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2011/02/03 03:14:01
Subject: Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
Let's just shake hands on the common ground here; Glenn Beck's show shouldn't be watched by anyone for any reason.
Coolio.
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2011/02/03 12:16:16
Subject: Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
It's funny in the way some of the creationist websites and Chick tracts are just plain hilarious. Sometimes, it's just so wrong you can't help but laugh...
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I'm not really sure how to react to these. I don't really find those comics particularly funny, since they condemn every other religion.
So basically, he is an evangelical cartoonist. With Glenn Beck at least I can laugh but here I'm just not sure.
A friend of mine used to collect Chick tracts so I was familiar with most of these,what makes them "funny" is how absolutely batgak crazy the content of the tracts are...sad..but funny.
BTW,that's not meant as a "shot" at "religion".
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2011/02/05 01:53:40
Subject: Just when will we say that Glenn Beck goes too far...?
). My brain can't comprehend the intelligence of some who are taken to be reputable sources, but I suppose those who take them at word value are just as bad if not worse.
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