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nectarprime wrote:I have returned just to point out that the Squat recasts are still posted.

Following Manchu's explanation as to why the thread was left alone in the first place, and our explaining that the 'recasting issue' is dealt with on a case by case basis as the mod team irons out how best to deal with it, what exactly were you expecting?

insaniak wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I have returned just to point out that the Squat recasts are still posted.

Following Manchu's explanation as to why the thread was left alone in the first place, and our explaining that the 'recasting issue' is dealt with on a case by case basis as the mod team irons out how best to deal with it, what exactly were you expecting?

God forbid the mods to have lives outside of this place. Give them time, they'll look over it.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:And kitch102, your first paragraph surprises me. I'm unsure as to why you thought you would be censured by the moderation team for what is a well thought out explanatory discussion topic.

Hello mate,

Just re-read my original post, I don't think I was clear enough in what I meant... I still class myself as being a noob to the site, and am not 100% up on every rule here, I wasn't sure if this kind of thread would have been better coming from a mod, hence the part where I mentioned (something along the lines of) over shooting my rank as a non mod. No offence intended, and certainly not meant in an inflammatory way.


Ahtman & Ouze; I gotta say that the debate between the two of you is pretty much exactly what made me start this thread. At the end of the day, one of you posted an example, the other disagrees, there was a misunderstanding between both parties, let the flaming commence. I don't mean to make myself out to be some kind of thread angel and I'm wise enough to know that people will always clash, but at the end of the day there was nothing to stop eitherparty walking away from the computer for a second to chill before re-reading the post(s) and clarifying. Just my view, I'm not dictating to either of you what to do though do feel it necessary to point out an example of the reason for this thread.

insaniak wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I have returned just to point out that the Squat recasts are still posted.

Following Manchu's explanation as to why the thread was left alone in the first place, and our explaining that the 'recasting issue' is dealt with on a case by case basis as the mod team irons out how best to deal with it, what exactly were you expecting?

So I can post pictures of recasts? As long as no one trolls my thread? Cool thanks!

nectarprime wrote:I have returned just to point out that the Squat recasts are still posted.

Try letting that bee out your bonnet.

No need to call other posters trolls. If you believe someone is trolling, please use the modalert button instead. It will save you and the moderation team headaches.

Thanks,

Manchu

nectarprime wrote:So I can post pictures of recasts? As long as no one trolls my thread? Cool thanks!

Please review my post more carefully.

On the recast point, my view would be that GW encourage conversion of the minis, though have always stated that to be used on a GW tabletop they have to be X% original GW product. I'd have thought that recasting items required to really make a miniature unique would have been ok, but taking GW's designs and casting them from scratch would take the mick a bit too much.

I had a look through tank dudes thread, his work is absolutely incredible and I'd love to see more as appreciate the skill that he blatantly has, though at the end of the day I am seeing an easy comparison between scratch building a whole tank and nicking a few boxes from a GW store - the only difference is by scratch building your own you steal the designs. By stealing the boxes you nick the whole thing.

Haven't looked too much at the squat thread, putting this next question out to those with actual legal experience but is there a point to be considered based on the fact that there is no such thing as a squat in the current 40k universe?

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Final point: maybe we should start a new thread to discuss recasting, before this one is closed down due to it being taken wildly off topic

Please no, we've done the recasting debate before, just re-read one of those marathons.

Same old bollocks from armchair lawyers, bit of moralistic grandstanding, some shrill stuff about it 'destroying GW' and how recasters are worse than Hitler etc, then some stuff about proxies and paper cutouts, percentage of models, is it okay for OOP stuff, what about the eBay collectors, etc.

No.

Fair play if folk don't have any original points that weren't mentioned in the thread at the time (as I would expect, due to there being no change in the ruling) but let's not forget the ruling against thread necromancy, I think it says start a new topic if you have a question, or something like that...

I just want to say, thanks guys for the discussion, and thanks to the mods for not shutting down this thread. You guys do your jobs well and I'm sorry for any flak I've given you.

Manchu wrote:@Ouze: As I already mentioned, if a plog has a few recast parts in it that aren't the focus of the thread I tend to think that piling on about those parts is spammy, if not necessarily off-topic. I'd say that it can get to the point of derailing the thread so that it becomes "off-topic" in that sense. As a lawyer myself (although not in IP), I too am weary of seeing the "IPquisition reaction" again and again.

@KamikazeCanuck: I don't think that W_G spending a lot of time in the DCM forum is bad at all. I'd guess the only thing he really misses out on are getting to know that cadre of posters who only post in OT. Plus, the moderators have diverse style and we tend to cover different things. For example, I spend little to no time in the DCM forum.

If two different threads that are still pretty similar appear around the same time in the forum one is rightfully locked so that it does not "fragment" the conversation. It's the same issue. I'm not naive. Obviously dcm is a revenue stream for dakka and that's what's most important. In that way it is a positive, but in every other way it has a negative effect on the overall website.

Good words buddy


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Ouze: As I already mentioned, if a plog has a few recast parts in it that aren't the focus of the thread I tend to think that piling on about those parts is spammy, if not necessarily off-topic. I'd say that it can get to the point of derailing the thread so that it becomes "off-topic" in that sense. As a lawyer myself (although not in IP), I too am weary of seeing the "IPquisition reaction" again and again.

@KamikazeCanuck: I don't think that W_G spending a lot of time in the DCM forum is bad at all. I'd guess the only thing he really misses out on are getting to know that cadre of posters who only post in OT. Plus, the moderators have diverse style and we tend to cover different things. For example, I spend little to no time in the DCM forum.

If two different threads that are still pretty similar appear around the same time in the forum one is rightfully locked so that it does not "fragment" the conversation. It's the same issue. I'm not naive. Obviously dcm is a revenue stream for dakka and that's what's most important. In that way it is a positive, but in every other way it has a negative effect on the overall website.

Look at the bigger picture though, the donations help to make dakka what it is; the biggest wargaming forum on the net (I'm open to being corrected - thats just what I've heard). It makes sense to incentivise people to give those donations. Would you donate to a site that gave you nothing back, or would you save the cash to be spent on more miniatures, pay your bills... etc?

nectarprime wrote:You guys do your jobs well and I'm sorry for any flak I've given you.

Your question wasn't flak. We are interested in being transparent as long as it does not violate another user's reasonable expectation of privacy (i.e., talk about moderation with regard to them). There's no big conspiracy against users particularly or generally. This is just a webforum about wargaming, after all.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Obviously dcm is a revenue stream for dakka and that's what's most important. In that way it is a positive, but in every other way it has a negative effect on the overall website.

It's not a revenue stream that the admins rely upon in any way, to my knowledge. I'm trying to see your point on this issue but am having trouble. Could you please go into greater detail?

Manchu wrote:

nectarprime wrote:You guys do your jobs well and I'm sorry for any flak I've given you.

Your question wasn't flak. We are interested in being transparent as long as it does not violate another user's reasonable expectation of privacy (i.e., talk about moderation with regard to them). There's no big conspiracy against users particularly or generally. This is just a webforum about wargaming, after all.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Obviously dcm is a revenue stream for dakka and that's what's most important. In that way it is a positive, but in every other way it has a negative effect on the overall website.

It's not a revenue stream that the admins rely upon in any way, to my knowledge. I'm trying to see your point on this issue but am having trouble. Could you please go into greater detail?

....just what I said before that: "If two different threads that are still pretty similar appear around the same time in the forum one is rightfully locked so that it does not "fragment" the conversation. It's the same issue." and "Also if the same topic is covered in both the DCM forum and the public one a DCM probably wouldn't bother covering the same ground again. Threads dwindle, and posters think others aren't interested even though actually from their perspective it's just that they already have already talked about it.
Also bowler hats. "

I think that's unlikely though, there's somethinkg like 48000 registered dakka users, if anything we hear too often of complaints against people bringing "that old chestnut" up again. With this hobby being all about creativity I'd be very surprised if content ever started to decline for any reason other than dakka itself going in to decline.

Mods - what percentage of dakka users are DCM's? Just out of curiosity?

WTF DOES BOWLER HATS EVEN MEAN!
Yes I had to yell. I have suffered in silence long enough.

AustonT wrote:WTF DOES BOWLER HATS EVEN MEAN!
Yes I had to yell. I have suffered in silence long enough.

Bowler hats mean awesomness. Pure, unadulterated awesome in hat form.

I think it goes back to my reference of 'mods in suits on official business'. Maybe.


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Insaniak - I stand corrected

AustonT wrote:WTF DOES BOWLER HATS EVEN MEAN!
Yes I had to yell. I have suffered in silence long enough.

It means straight pimpin'.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Ouze: As I already mentioned, if a plog has a few recast parts in it that aren't the focus of the thread I tend to think that piling on about those parts is spammy, if not necessarily off-topic. I'd say that it can get to the point of derailing the thread so that it becomes "off-topic" in that sense. As a lawyer myself (although not in IP), I too am weary of seeing the "IPquisition reaction" again and again.

@KamikazeCanuck: I don't think that W_G spending a lot of time in the DCM forum is bad at all. I'd guess the only thing he really misses out on are getting to know that cadre of posters who only post in OT. Plus, the moderators have diverse style and we tend to cover different things. For example, I spend little to no time in the DCM forum.

If two different threads that are still pretty similar appear around the same time in the forum one is rightfully locked so that it does not "fragment" the conversation. It's the same issue. I'm not naive.

I haven't seen a thread get locked because there's a conversation going on in DCM going on at the same time about the same topic.

Obviously dcm is a revenue stream for dakka and that's what's most important. In that way it is a positive, but in every other way it has a negative effect on the overall website.

It's really not though. Yakface and Legoburner have put a lot of their hard-earned money into Dakka. Becoming a DCM does nothing outside of help put money into a 'rainy day' fund of sorts which is also partially for improvements to the site.
It's for things like potential server emergencies, etc, etc.

Kanluwen wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Ouze: As I already mentioned, if a plog has a few recast parts in it that aren't the focus of the thread I tend to think that piling on about those parts is spammy, if not necessarily off-topic. I'd say that it can get to the point of derailing the thread so that it becomes "off-topic" in that sense. As a lawyer myself (although not in IP), I too am weary of seeing the "IPquisition reaction" again and again.

@KamikazeCanuck: I don't think that W_G spending a lot of time in the DCM forum is bad at all. I'd guess the only thing he really misses out on are getting to know that cadre of posters who only post in OT. Plus, the moderators have diverse style and we tend to cover different things. For example, I spend little to no time in the DCM forum.

If two different threads that are still pretty similar appear around the same time in the forum one is rightfully locked so that it does not "fragment" the conversation. It's the same issue. I'm not naive.

I haven't seen a thread get locked because there's a conversation going on in DCM going on at the same time about the same topic.

No, no. I'm saying normally it would and should get locked to prevent the conversation getting fragmented. As you say this would never happen when one is dcm and one is not. Hence, conversation fragmentation.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:No, no. I'm saying normally it would and should get locked to prevent the conversation getting fragmented. As you say this would never happen when one is dcm and one is not. Hence, conversation fragmentation.

There's two issues with that. For one, there aren't as many duplicated threads as you might think.

For two, a lot of the conversation going on in the DCM board is OT stuff... and a lot of the DCMs participating in these discussions don't frequent the OT board.

Ultimately, what the DCM board winds up being is an (almost) anything goes alternate OT board. And since OT really isn't what Dakka is ultimately about, a little 'fragmentation' of OT topics really isn't a big issue for the community at large.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Ouze: As I already mentioned, if a plog has a few recast parts in it that aren't the focus of the thread I tend to think that piling on about those parts is spammy, if not necessarily off-topic. I'd say that it can get to the point of derailing the thread so that it becomes "off-topic" in that sense. As a lawyer myself (although not in IP), I too am weary of seeing the "IPquisition reaction" again and again.

@KamikazeCanuck: I don't think that W_G spending a lot of time in the DCM forum is bad at all. I'd guess the only thing he really misses out on are getting to know that cadre of posters who only post in OT. Plus, the moderators have diverse style and we tend to cover different things. For example, I spend little to no time in the DCM forum.

If two different threads that are still pretty similar appear around the same time in the forum one is rightfully locked so that it does not "fragment" the conversation. It's the same issue. I'm not naive.

I haven't seen a thread get locked because there's a conversation going on in DCM going on at the same time about the same topic.

No, no. I'm saying normally it would and should get locked to prevent the conversation getting fragmented. As you say this would never happen when one is dcm and one is not. Hence, conversation fragmentation.

I'm not going to lie.

You're becoming very confusing with this line of discussion, Kamikaze. What exactly are you saying here? Your stance is fairly...cloudy.

Re: Mod wearing Mod Hat when posting officially.
I advocate a Modorkicon, solely to be used for the purpose by the Mods. I guess accompanied by coloured ink which is not mutually exclusive to the Modorkicon.

Modorkicon could be wearing a bowler, that is just sooo Steed. However a Barrister's wig would also work imho.
Maybe a judge's and a special one with a black cloth for issuing the death penalty of perpetual banishment.

Action of banging the gavel (oo-er missus)

insaniak wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:No, no. I'm saying normally it would and should get locked to prevent the conversation getting fragmented. As you say this would never happen when one is dcm and one is not. Hence, conversation fragmentation.

There's two issues with that. For one, there aren't as many duplicated threads as you might think.

For two, a lot of the conversation going on in the DCM board is OT stuff... and a lot of the DCMs participating in these discussions don't frequent the OT board.

Ultimately, what the DCM board winds up being is an (almost) anything goes alternate OT board. And since OT really isn't what Dakka is ultimately about, a little 'fragmentation' of OT topics really isn't a big issue for the community at large.

I see. Thanks.

Anyways, I was going to say to W_Gonaads: on second thought don't come out here! It's a madhouse! Save Yourself!!!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Re: Mod wearing Mod Hat when posting officially.
I advocate a Modorkicon, solely to be used for the purpose by the Mods. I guess accompanied by coloured ink which is not mutually exclusive to the Modorkicon.

Modorkicon could be wearing a bowler, that is just sooo Steed. However a Barrister's wig would also work imho.
Maybe a judge's and a special one with a black cloth for issuing the death penalty of perpetual banishment.

Action of banging the gavel (oo-er missus)

I could get behind an ork in a wig.

MrDwhitey wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Re: Mod wearing Mod Hat when posting officially.
I advocate a Modorkicon, solely to be used for the purpose by the Mods. I guess accompanied by coloured ink which is not mutually exclusive to the Modorkicon.

Modorkicon could be wearing a bowler, that is just sooo Steed. However a Barrister's wig would also work imho.
Maybe a judge's and a special one with a black cloth for issuing the death penalty of perpetual banishment.

Action of banging the gavel (oo-er missus)

I could get behind an ork in a wig.

Whoah, awesome. Where the heck are thse things coming from?


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Kanluwen wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Ouze: As I already mentioned, if a plog has a few recast parts in it that aren't the focus of the thread I tend to think that piling on about those parts is spammy, if not necessarily off-topic. I'd say that it can get to the point of derailing the thread so that it becomes "off-topic" in that sense. As a lawyer myself (although not in IP), I too am weary of seeing the "IPquisition reaction" again and again.

@KamikazeCanuck: I don't think that W_G spending a lot of time in the DCM forum is bad at all. I'd guess the only thing he really misses out on are getting to know that cadre of posters who only post in OT. Plus, the moderators have diverse style and we tend to cover different things. For example, I spend little to no time in the DCM forum.

If two different threads that are still pretty similar appear around the same time in the forum one is rightfully locked so that it does not "fragment" the conversation. It's the same issue. I'm not naive.

I haven't seen a thread get locked because there's a conversation going on in DCM going on at the same time about the same topic.

No, no. I'm saying normally it would and should get locked to prevent the conversation getting fragmented. As you say this would never happen when one is dcm and one is not. Hence, conversation fragmentation.

I'm not going to lie.

You're becoming very confusing with this line of discussion, Kamikaze. What exactly are you saying here? Your stance is fairly...cloudy.

I'm not going to lie

My interest in this has waned quite a bit. Insaniak's explanation was good as well and maybe in a roundabout way will clarify it for you. If not, I can attempt to decloudify it as an excercise in discussion but personally I'm fine.