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Who says the 'xenos coverage' is 'over'?

Well the next two books have none, so no more Xeno coverage for a year, not even on the released models.

Wait, I know the next book is about a prison planet and Tzeentch involvement, but the book after that one, what is that one about then?

BrookM wrote:Wait, I know the next book is about a prison planet and Tzeentch involvement, but the book after that one, what is that one about then?

We don't know. Kroothawk is assuming, as FW's people haven't even started whiteboarding IA13.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:Wait, I know the next book is about a prison planet and Tzeentch involvement, but the book after that one, what is that one about then?

We don't know. Kroothawk is assuming, as FW's people haven't even started whiteboarding IA13.

Ah, false alarm it is then.

Iracundus wrote:
I and others in the past, such as some posters from the Warseer forums, have in the past in the process of ordering from FW offered feedback when requested, along the lines of how some xenos vs. xenos books would be interesting and break up the monotony of yet another Imperium vs. other. The response from FW though not exactly identical in wording, basically took the line of "We have heard what you said you would like, but we are not going to ever do it."

Some fanboys on an internet forum does NOT equal anything close to a majority. The reason so much marine stuff (and there imperial stuff) comes out is simply that so much marine stuff is bought. People like our co owner Yak here who have signatures like "Friends don't let friends start MEQ armies" are not the majority. We, as internet forum 40k fans, are not always indicative of the general 40k playing population. Locally, EVERY player in my group except two (so roughly 18 out of 20) has a loyalist marine of some flavor. The second most favorite army? IG. Orks are the thrid. There are enough flavors of Imperial armies that FW could keep doing Imperial vs Anyone books and still not cover every Emperor loving flavor out there. A xenos vs xenos book simply isn't likely to happen because that would exclude most 40k players from the customer base (which is never a good idea for a business).

warboss wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
I and others in the past, such as some posters from the Warseer forums, have in the past in the process of ordering from FW offered feedback when requested, along the lines of how some xenos vs. xenos books would be interesting and break up the monotony of yet another Imperium vs. other. The response from FW though not exactly identical in wording, basically took the line of "We have heard what you said you would like, but we are not going to ever do it."

Some fanboys on an internet forum does NOT equal anything close to a majority. The reason so much marine stuff (and there imperial stuff) comes out is simply that so much marine stuff is bought. People like our co owner Yak here who have signatures like "Friends don't let friends start MEQ armies" are not the majority. We, as internet forum 40k fans, are not always indicative of the general 40k playing population. Locally, EVERY player in my group except two (so roughly 18 out of 20) has a loyalist marine of some flavor. The second most favorite army? IG. Orks are the thrid. There are enough flavors of Imperial armies that FW could keep doing Imperial vs Anyone books and still not cover every Emperor loving flavor out there. A xenos vs xenos book simply isn't likely to happen because that would exclude most 40k players from the customer base (which is never a good idea for a business).

You're actually looking at it from the wrong angle.

The reason "so much Marine stuff" and "so much Imperial Guard stuff" gets released has more to do with the fact that the sculptor/designer types at FW play Imperial armies by and large. They're under no obligation to present a "balanced" release schedule. They do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.
If they wanted to do a Xenos v. Xenos army book, they'd do it.
If they wanted to do a flying Basilisk tank which shot Primarchs out of its cannon, they'd do it.

They just don't want to. The biggest reason for the "no Xenos v. Xenos" book has traditionally been they feel "uncomfortable" writing from a Xenos perspective, since the Xenos background is one of the ones which changes the most often. Not always in a big way, but they do occasionally change up some big stuff. It's so much easier for them to write from the perspective of the Imperium simply because the Imperium and its motivations, etc have not changed much over the years. The Xenos present in those books can then be said to be "divergent factions" if the fluff gets altered.

Kanluwen wrote:If they wanted to do a flying Basilisk tank which shot Primarchs out of its cannon, they'd do it.

You might be onto something here... the first angry marines apocalypse tank! Strength D small blast template cannon that leaves a primarch under the template after models are removed!!!


As for the looking from the wrong angle, the consumer angle is never the wrong one from my perspective. It's frankly the most important one to me. While I do theoretically support FW designers spreading their creative wings, I'd rather they not do so at the expense of most of their player base. Xenos and chaos make for perfect tail sides to the Imperial Head side of the Imperial Armor book coin. A vocal minority of players peppering internet forums doesn't equal sales in the real world.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Should we take bets on how badly the Imperium loses this one?

They will win because the Space Wolves are fighting.

rockerbikie wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Should we take bets on how badly the Imperium loses this one?

They will win because the Space Wolves are fighting.

Watch the video with Talima Fox, the author.

She basically says that even if the Imperium won, there's "different levels of victory" meaning it's likely a case of the Eldar "fled" after accomplishing their objectives.

To be honest I don't want anything from the Zeno pov, I like the fact that they are an enigma for the most part. I like that I have to stretch my imagination to understand where they are coming from. Its also refreshing to see there are no clear cut victors, its possible for both sides to achieve their aims and for their opponants to still see their own win.

As for the cash side of it, I heard that Castrel Novem wasn't a huge success sales wise, hense the need to get Imp players in the fold to drive sales....which is the whole point, isn't it?

As for this book, am waiting for mine, to keep my set complete and to keep my Elar/Wolves and Guard armies up to date with the newest shinies. God bless the FW sculpters for keeping me poor and happy!

Kroothawk wrote:Well the next two books have none, so no more Xeno coverage for a year, not even on the released models.

We don't know what the next two books have. We know IA 12 has Tzeentch and Imperial Penitent Regiment. Its possible that there is a third faction included in the book (unlikely).

IA13 is completely unknown to us... regardless, Forgeworld has drastically sped up their development cycle, they have been putting out 2+ books a year as of late, it wouldn't surprise me if IA 13 was released this time next year.

Okay I'm curious, how horribly did the Elysians do in this book?

I hope I get my book tomorrow...I cant wait to see how much of a whipping the Elysians take.....Also cant wait for the Drop Commisar Lord Model which has repeatedly been dangled.

chaos0xomega wrote:
IA13 is completely unknown to us... regardless, Forgeworld has drastically sped up their development cycle, they have been putting out 2+ books a year as of late, it wouldn't surprise me if IA 13 was released this time next year.

It's not that they're speeding up their development cycle, it's that they've got more authors now.

Same difference to us though, we're still getting 2-3 books a year vs the 1 every other year that we used to get around the time IA1/2/3 were released

BrookM wrote:Okay I'm curious, how horribly did the Elysians do in this book?

Lovepug13 wrote:I hope I get my book tomorrow...I cant wait to see how much of a whipping the Elysians take.....Also cant wait for the Drop Commisar Lord Model which has repeatedly been dangled.

Thousand Nuns wrote:

Spoiler:

The elysians survive amazingly, they have a very small part ro play in the book and don't see much action. No extra rules for elysians and no mention of any Commisar charesters sorry, maybe next book.

D:

So do the Imperials get any sort of new list at all?

chaos0xomega wrote:

Thousand Nuns wrote:

Spoiler:

The elysians survive amazingly, they have a very small part ro play in the book and don't see much action. No extra rules for elysians and no mention of any Commisar charesters sorry, maybe next book.

D:

So do the Imperials get any sort of new list at all?

Thousand Nuns wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Thousand Nuns wrote:

Spoiler:

The elysians survive amazingly, they have a very small part ro play in the book and don't see much action. No extra rules for elysians and no mention of any Commisar charesters sorry, maybe next book.

D:

So do the Imperials get any sort of new list at all?

Spoiler:

Nope sorry all the recent releases CRASSUS etc and a couple of characters. Its mainly an eldar book they get a corsairs list and all the eldar vehicles are in from war walkers up to phantom titans.

Kanluwen wrote:it's likely a case of the Eldar "fled" after accomplishing their objectives.

It's always like this with eldar

A Kvlt Ghost wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:it's likely a case of the Eldar "fled" after accomplishing their objectives.

It's always like this with eldar

Or, at least, it is what the Eldar will always *claim* they're doing...

Actually, here's an interesting bit that I didn't notice before:

"Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara provides a detailed account of the Eldar invasion, as well as background and rules for its protagonists, the Eldar of Craftworlds Mymeara and Alaitoc, their Corsair kin and the forces of the Imperium. Also included are profiles for new special characters, machines of war, and a new Eldar Warrior Aspect squad, the Shadow Spectres. This 224-page full colour hardback book, written by Talima Fox, is packed with vehicle and infantry profiles, three Apocalypse datasheets, a campaign section and an Eldar Corsair army list. In addition the book also contains a detailed background and technical section covering the existing Forge World Eldar range. "

The Eldar are the protagonists?
It's difficult to see from the images, but is it written from the Eldar perspective?
That would be... different.

EDIT: On second thought, it seems that GW doesn't understand what the word "protagonist" means and uses it to refer to both sides of the conflict.

Well in the video, the writer did say she wanted to explore the Eldar psyche and tell their story, so its entirely possible that it is in fact written from the Eldar perspective...

Absolutionis wrote:Actually, here's an interesting bit that I didn't notice before:

"Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara provides a detailed account of the Eldar invasion, as well as background and rules for its protagonists, the Eldar of Craftworlds Mymeara and Alaitoc, their Corsair kin and the forces of the Imperium. Also included are profiles for new special characters, machines of war, and a new Eldar Warrior Aspect squad, the Shadow Spectres. This 224-page full colour hardback book, written by Talima Fox, is packed with vehicle and infantry profiles, three Apocalypse datasheets, a campaign section and an Eldar Corsair army list. In addition the book also contains a detailed background and technical section covering the existing Forge World Eldar range. "

The Eldar are the protagonists?
It's difficult to see from the images, but is it written from the Eldar perspective?
That would be... different.

EDIT: On second thought, it seems that GW doesn't understand what the word "protagonist" means and uses it to refer to both sides of the conflict.

The story is from the Imperial's perspective but the Eldar perspective is touched upon in the Character/vehicle/craftworld desciptions.

Those are cool units. I love the idea of wasp assault walkers, would be nice to see my friend use his war walkers in a new way.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Well the next two books have none, so no more Xeno coverage for a year, not even on the released models.

We don't know what the next two books have. We know IA 12 has Tzeentch and Imperial Penitent Regiment. Its possible that there is a third faction included in the book (unlikely). IA13 is completely unknown to us.

chaos0xomega wrote:Then you should pay more attention:
http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/rumours-news-previews/216777-imperial-armour-12-forgeworld.html

Then you should pay more attention to the threads you link to

Jared van Kell wrote:This is going to be the first of two Chaos Themed books, the first being Tzeench, including daemonic engines and the next one being about Slaanesh.

First of two books doesn't mean that they are going to be back to back releases, at least that isn't how I interpreted the sentence, but otherwise I would see your point.

As part of my Chaos Army runs a Tzeentch army led by a blue Daemon Prince, I will be most pleased with some new Tzeentch models.

Harriticus wrote:As part of my Chaos Army runs a Tzeentch army led by a blue Daemon Prince, I will be most pleased with some new Tzeentch models.

+1 to to that I've always run a TS based csm army i'd love some cult havocs and terminators.