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NL_Cirrus wrote:

Remulus wrote:

Harriticus wrote:Which army's standard service rifle is the best in fluff? Go go go go go.

Is this even a question? A bolter is of course! They freekin explode when they hit their target.

I thought they exploded after a time delay. Either way that could be a bad thing. Like if they do in fact explode on contact they wouldn't be as good at penetrating armor as explosions don't do penetration, and if they explode after a time delay they could ricochet and damage/injure friendlies. I suppose they could have both, like explode on contact after a time delay, which would still have the latter problem.

They may explode when they are a certain distance from an object, that way, they create an airburst, increasing penetration, the same way the bushmaster cannon works.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:

Remulus wrote:

Harriticus wrote:Which army's standard service rifle is the best in fluff? Go go go go go.

Is this even a question? A bolter is of course! They freekin explode when they hit their target.

I thought they exploded after a time delay. Either way that could be a bad thing. Like if they do in fact explode on contact they wouldn't be as good at penetrating armor as explosions don't do penetration, and if they explode after a time delay they could ricochet and damage/injure friendlies. I suppose they could have both, like explode on contact after a time delay, which would still have the latter problem.

They may explode when they are a certain distance from an object, that way, they create an airburst, increasing penetration, the same way the bushmaster cannon works.

It seems to me that the airburst would increase saturation not penetration So wouldn't that mean against heavily -well decently- armored targets it -the bolter not the bushmaster- would be almost use less as it would have practically no armor penetration against the heavier stuff.

They are described as "mass-reactive" rounds. I have always interpreted that as meaning that they had someway of detecting when they were moving through or stuck in a solid like flesh or metal and would explode when in these solids. Again, this is just my interpretation of what it means, it is quite probably wrong!

Castlel wrote:They are described as "mass-reactive" rounds. I have always interpreted that as meaning that they had someway of detecting when they were moving through or stuck in a solid like flesh or metal and would explode when in these solids. Again, this is just my interpretation of what it means, it is quite probably wrong!

Pretty much it. In nearly all of the BL books I've read bolts enter a body (or other object) and explode on the inside.

AH, so they like Crag shot from Monster Hunters. That would make more sense.

Gauss Flayer.

When you're going out not knowing what you will face, having a gun which'll deal with damn near anything is pretty great for a basic gun.

Haven't noticed if the TC has clarified as to what's meant by 'best', but to just to expand on my original reply:

I think it's fair to place gauss flayer as 'best' in terms of lethality. I just can't imagine myself being in an army in 40k and wanting to go up against a group of gauss flayer -wielding enemies and not have myself and allies equipped with anything but gauss flayers, bolters, or perhaps pulse rifles.

In terms of the ability to stop a threat, you really can't beat a gauss flayer or bolter. It's not even a fair competition.

As far the logistics surrounding the flayer(or really all gauss weapons), we can only speculate. I'm fairly certain there's no fluff or depiction indicating that these weapons even *need* to be recharged or reloaded(Necron infantry apparently carry absolutely nothing on their person, at least nothing that's visible), and if they do, it would be in between battles...or it's just an oversight on the part of the fluff writers and artists.

Bobthehero wrote:In that case I'll stand by what I said, pick the pulse rifle and outrange everything with a very respectable fire power.

Until Grey Knight arrive with plasma resistant armor.

Ronin-Sage wrote:Haven't noticed if the TC has clarified as to what's meant by 'best', but to just to expand on my original reply:

I think it's fair to place gauss flayer as 'best' in terms of lethality. I just can't imagine myself being in an army in 40k and wanting to go up against a group of gauss flayer -wielding enemies and not have myself and allies equipped with anything but gauss flayers, bolters, or perhaps pulse rifles.

In terms of the ability to stop a threat, you really can't beat a gauss flayer or bolter. It's not even a fair competition.

As far the logistics surrounding the flayer(or really all gauss weapons), we can only speculate. I'm fairly certain there's no fluff or depiction indicating that these weapons even *need* to be recharged or reloaded(Necron infantry apparently carry absolutely nothing on their person, at least nothing that's visible), and if they do, it would be in between battles...or it's just an oversight on the part of the fluff writers and artists.

I always thought that Gauss weapons were powered by the necron using them. which is why the Immortals have they're gauss blasters attached to the cord that attaches to they're back. Same for Destroyers & Heavy Destroyers except they are a little more direct and just replace they're arm with it. AFAIK any major weapon wielded by Necron infantry is attached to them in some way which supports my theory.

If I remember correctly, the pulse rifle out-ranges the Gauss flayer by a solid 12 inches ( I may be mistaken, if I am: diregard everything) but if you have a pulse rifle and stand over 6-12in away from someone with a Gauss flayer, you could shoot while they would have to move forward or even run just to close the gap before being able to hit you, that gives you a lot of valuable time and distance from the enemy. (I realize that I was using game stats, but I think they should scale proportionately to fluff equivalents)

Brother Coa wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:In that case I'll stand by what I said, pick the pulse rifle and outrange everything with a very respectable fire power.

Until Grey Knight arrive with plasma resistant armor.

Plasma shypon only makes plasma stuff inaccurate and its not intergrated in their armor.

That means you won't hit anything with your plasma weapons.
That's 90% of Tau army

Re-read the part where I said it is not integrated in their armor.

The Inquisitor is carrying it.

Gauss Flayer. And thats not just because I play necrons. If you can pull things apart at the atomic level, than yes, you have a winner. The shuriken catapult is a close second I guess.

Squidmanlolz wrote:If I remember correctly, the pulse rifle out-ranges the Gauss flayer by a solid 12 inches ( I may be mistaken, if I am: diregard everything) but if you have a pulse rifle and stand over 6-12in away from someone with a Gauss flayer, you could shoot while they would have to move forward or even run just to close the gap before being able to hit you, that gives you a lot of valuable time and distance from the enemy. (I realize that I was using game stats, but I think they should scale proportionately to fluff equivalents)

The problem is rules =/= Fluff. IF they did all gauss weapons would have S∞ to represent their unparalleled raw power and bolters would have 2 roles to wound to represent the exploding round and Eldar weapons would have AP1 to represent their supreme sharpness and Ork weapons would make you re-roll any hits to represent their terrible accuracy and so on and so forth. So since this goes by fluff you can't really say what out ranges what unless you have a source IN FLUFF that gives ranges.

not that it pertains to this discussion, but the rang difference it 6in not 12.

The fluff does say that the pulse rifle have a gyroscope that gives it a greater effective range, out of many other things.

Well since With Necrons Immortals are now Troop, I'm now going with Gauss Blaster.

NL_Cirrus wrote:So since this goes by fluff you can't really say what out ranges what unless you have a source IN FLUFF that gives ranges.

As far as I remember from the Necron stuff I read (most importantly Caves of Ice and Dead Men Walking) Gauss Flayers are relatively close range. Guardsmen were able to fire upon the Necrons with lasguns a short time before the Flayers were in range (not that it really helped them of course).

TiB wrote:

NL_Cirrus wrote:So since this goes by fluff you can't really say what out ranges what unless you have a source IN FLUFF that gives ranges.

As far as I remember from the Necron stuff I read (most importantly Caves of Ice and Dead Men Walking) Gauss Flayers are relatively close range. Guardsmen were able to fire upon the Necrons with lasguns a short time before the Flayers were in range (not that it really helped them of course).

But did it actually say they were short ranged? because they could choose not to fire until they are close enough to aim easily and thus scoring more hits faster

King Pariah wrote:Well since With Necrons Immortals are now Troop, I'm now going with Gauss Blaster.

True, they are troops, but the Gauss Blaster isn't their basic army weapon.

Bobthehero wrote:The fluff does say that the pulse rifle have a gyroscope that gives it a greater effective range, out of many other things.

That's a bit ambiguous, as it doesn't say how far it out ranges things -after all a greater effective rang of 1 in is still out ranging- nor what exactly it out ranges.