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How much of 40k is based on Chance? How much on Skill? How much on Army Choice?
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Bristol (UK)

I think that's partly because no one expects Tau. So even experienced players get completely blindsided by them because they completely ignored them as a competitive possibility, and even get complacent expecting an easy win.
   
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To me, to ask the question of how random 40k is, is the same as asking:
-how random is rolling dice (d3s, d6s, 2d3s, etc)
-how many dice are rolled per game
-how correlated are dice rolls of different kinds (combat, mission rolls, etc) to objective points, and ultimately, wins/losses

I think if someone made a big enough Kaggle dataset collecting the right data, we could actually answer these questions. The data set might contain the following rows:
-roll type (d3, d6, etc)
-roll outcome (i.e., 1)
-roll purpose (shooting, melee, charge roll, psychic test, etc)
-change in objective points of player 1 since last turn
-change in objective points of player 2 since last turn
-more...

If I was still in school this might be a fun statistics or maybe even machine learning project. One issue with such a project is it would take a long time to gather data over a variety of friend groups/gaming clubs/codices/etc...and your findings might become outdated very quickly with a new edition.

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When I win it's 100% skill. When I lose it's 100% chance.

And They Shall Not Fit Through Doors!!!

Tyranid Army Progress -- With Classic Warriors!:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/743240.page#9671598 
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:
When I win it's 100% skill. When I lose it's 100% chance.


No, when you lose its because the opposing army was OP unfair and needs nerf.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 the_scotsman wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
When I win it's 100% skill. When I lose it's 100% chance.


No, when you lose its because the opposing army was OP unfair and needs nerf.
Haha, me personally? Generally not. I'm usually about the last person to say something is OP. I'm far more likely to attribute something to being my own mistake or luck.

And They Shall Not Fit Through Doors!!!

Tyranid Army Progress -- With Classic Warriors!:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/743240.page#9671598 
   
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 Insectum7 wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
When I win it's 100% skill. When I lose it's 100% chance.


No, when you lose its because the opposing army was OP unfair and needs nerf.
Haha, me personally? Generally not. I'm usually about the last person to say something is OP. I'm far more likely to attribute something to being my own mistake or luck.


Not a dig at you at all, mostly just expanding on the typical attitude that comes with the 'when I lose its luck when i win its skill' mindset.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
 
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