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Melissia wrote:It's like the people that continually use terms like "gay", "queer", and "[the tree letter word for cigarette]", specifically around homosexuals, just to attack them indirectly. Sure theyr'e using those words in a way that is intended to dodge the insulting definitions but that's still really just pedantic douchebaggery and homophobic attacks.

An indirect racist attack is still a racist attack.

"Gay" hasn't meant sexual orientation in widespread use for the past couple of years. Queer and [said word] are undisputed, though.

Slarg232 wrote:
Suppose she did call both of them Monkeys, instead of saying "Monkeying around". "Your acting like a pair of monkeys". Still racist?

Probably not, though the propensity for the black kid to take offense is pretty high. A comparison would be sitting in a room with a straight man, and a straight woman, then saying, in all seriousness, that they both have very attractive hind quarters. Their reactions will be different, because the context is different.

But, ultimately, that's not necessarily what's being done here. Some people made pictures comparing Bush to a monkey, I suspect entirely different people made the same claim about Obama. Maybe it was racially motivated, maybe not, either way it was stupid due to the racial component of that particular image comparison.

It doesn't have to be racially motivated, but not being aware of that meaning is just ignorant.

Equal rights works both ways, if it's ok to say Bush looks like a monkey then it's ok to say it about Obama... Or not at all.

Melissia wrote:Because the term is not historically used as a racial insult against whites.

What, Monkey or Spade?

If monkey, it doesn't really matter; the N-word isn't used against whites and it's still known....

If spade, never mind. Though I haven't heard that one used as a slur either.

Slarg232 wrote:
If spade, never mind. Though I haven't heard that one used as a slur either.

No offense, but I've gotta ask: "What planet are you from?"

Slarg232 wrote:

dogma wrote: it isn't like "monkey" is an unknown racial epithet.

Not true. I have never heard of Monkey being a racist slur.

Being ignorant of a thing doesn't negate its existence, it just shows you don't know something.

dogma wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:
Suppose she did call both of them Monkeys, instead of saying "Monkeying around". "Your acting like a pair of monkeys". Still racist?

Probably not, though the propensity for the black kid to take offense is pretty high.

But, ultimately, that's not necessarily what's being done here. Some people made pictures comparing Bush to a monkey, I suspect entirely different people made the same claim about Obama. Maybe it was racially motivated, maybe not, either way it was stupid due to the racial component of that particular image comparison.

It doesn't have to be racially motivated, but not being aware of that meaning is just ignorant.

So could we not come to the conclusion that people need to stop being offended by stupid, petty crap? I'm not saying racism was involved in making Obama a Monkey (If said word even is used as a racial slur.....), but I gaurantee that if you go looking for racism, your going to find it where there is none (Not saying you, specifically).


As I said earlier, Obama stated that he didn't want his race in the picture, and most people whom see a racist (I.E. all the pictures in this thread) will shy away from him. Obama just needs to avoid the Mud Slinging himself to get re-elected, unfortunately....


Oh damn, Mud is dark colored. If a spade is racist, Mud has to be.....


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dogma wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:
If spade, never mind. Though I haven't heard that one used as a slur either.

No offense, but I've gotta ask: "What planet are you from?"

The one that doesn't make up stupid gak, and people grow a backbone and ignore/beat the son of a bitch whose being stupid with said gak.

Ahtman wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

dogma wrote: it isn't like "monkey" is an unknown racial epithet.

Not true. I have never heard of Monkey being a racist slur.

Being ignorant of a thing doesn't negate its existence, it just shows you don't know something.

True, but I have never heard Monkey used as a slur, and when we're talking about the internet/school kids, that's saying something.

Mudblood.

Slarg232 wrote:"Gay" hasn't meant sexual orientation in widespread use for the past couple of years.

Yes it has.

This is one of the more disgusting comments I have ever seen on Dakka. Edited.

Then there's the politician that got into trouble for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm

I remember when t his happened, there were comentaries talking about how racist this guy was.

Slarg232 wrote:

dogma wrote: it isn't like "monkey" is an unknown racial epithet.

Not true. I have never heard of Monkey being a racist slur.

Just because you've never heard of it, doesn't mean it isn't so.
Well, outside of your head anyway.

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:"Gay" hasn't meant sexual orientation in widespread use for the past couple of years.

Yes it has.

Nevermind, I was thinking stupid kids instead of news outlits. Your right, it has.

Still have never heard of Monkey or Spade, though....

I've heard plenty of racial epithets in my time. Especially about hispanics.

Relapse wrote:Then there's the politician that got into trouble for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm

I remember when t his happened, there were comentaries talking about how racist this guy was.

Because sometimes people take a thing to far, or overreach, when an incident happens is no reason to pretend that they never happen.

"They called the president a [racial epithet]! WTF?!"

"So what? this one time a guy used the word niggardly and people got upset"

It shows how over sensitive our society has become, Ahtman.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:It shows how over sensitive our society has become, Ahtman.

Society isn't weakened by the fact that it has realized that racial insults have no place in public discourse, or the kind of thinking that drives it has any place anywhere. There is a reason why the KKK, Neo Nazis, Neo Black Panthers, and the like are marginalized.

I can't comment to the situation in the UK.

Slarg232 wrote:
So could we not come to the conclusion that people need to stop being offended by stupid, petty crap? I'm not saying racism was involved in making Obama a Monkey (If said word even is used as a racial slur.....), but I gaurantee that if you go looking for racism, your going to find it where there is none (Not saying you, specifically).

Of course, and people will always be offended by petty nonsense. Lots of people get offended when anyone insinuates that America isn't Number 1 in everything, anywhere, ever.

Honestly, and maybe you aren't, but you seem offended right now; and the existence of contextual distinctions between races is a pretty silly thing to be offended by.

Slarg232 wrote:
The one that doesn't make up stupid gak, and people grow a backbone and ignore/beat the son of a bitch whose being stupid with said gak.

What's being made up? People have used "monkey" as a racial slur, and "spade" as well. Howard Cosell famously used the former on Monday Night Football.

I'm also not sure how ignoring someone implies having a backbone, it seems more like something that would imply not having one.


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Relapse wrote:Then there's the politician that got into trouble for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm

I remember when t his happened, there were comentaries talking about how racist this guy was.

Sure, I mean, lots of people are stupid and every person will say stupid things from time to time.

It doesn't really matter in this context, though.

Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:Then there's the politician that got into trouble for using the word "niggardly".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/williams/williams020499.htm

I remember when t his happened, there were comentaries talking about how racist this guy was.

Because sometimes people take a thing to far, or overreach, when an incident happens is no reason to pretend that they never happen.

"They called the president a [racial epithet]! WTF?!"

"So what? this one time a guy used the word niggardly and people got upset"

This is just one case of people being over sensitive and a double standard being applied.
Itcould be argued that his boss, the mayor of Washington, should have known the meaning of the word or at least given his aide some sort of a chance to explain the word before he let him be lynched.

Slarg232 wrote:

I have never heard of Monkey being an insult against black people.

Your lack of knowledge and/or personal experience does not mean much other then that you are clueless in this instance.


I suppose you have never heard of the slur "Sambo" either?

It dates back to the 18th century, and it is believed the word came into English from the Latin American Spanish word "zambo" (monkey), which in turn may have come from one of three African language sources such as the Kongo word nzambu (monkey).

Many things exist beyond your personal knowledge or witnessing.

Anyone remember the South Park Christmas special where they ban everything Christmassy about Christmas?

People are too sensitive, and get offended too easily now. Like I said, they need to MTFU.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:Anyone remember the South Park Christmas special where they ban everything Christmassy about Christmas?

People are too sensitive, and get offended too easily now. Like I said, they need to MTFU.

Thank you internet tough guy...

... I don't get it.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:... I don't get it.

That isn't surprising...

Hahahahahahaha. Oh dear.

Given some of the absurdity posted in defense of racism in this thread perhaps "MTFU" means "make the facts up?"

DeadlySquirrel wrote:Anyone remember the South Park Christmas special where they ban everything Christmassy about Christmas?

People are too sensitive, and get offended too easily now. Like I said, they need to MTFU.

People should mellow out. Very good advice. It's just human nature, for some, more than others to be really quick to take offense, even where none was intended.

MTFU means man the feth up.

Relapse wrote:People should mellow out. Very good advice. It's just human nature, for some, more than others to be really quick to take offense, even where none was intended.

So there is nothing that should ever offend anyone ever at anytime? There also seems to be this perverse idea that there are no degrees to being offended either, when there are many different ways it can express itself. Our options aren't just absolute indefference and absolute outrage. I can be offended by something without it making a huge impact on my life or take up that much of my time.

I know I thought the picture of Bush as a chimp was offensive becuase it is stupid and insulting.

I know I thought the picture of Obama as a chimp was offensive becuase it is stupid and insulting and had the added context of racism due to the history of calling black people monkeys.

They are both offensive, one just adds the race angle.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:MTFU means man the feth up.

That's possibly offensive to women, you monster!


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Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:People should mellow out. Very good advice. It's just human nature, for some, more than others to be really quick to take offense, even where none was intended.

So there is nothing that should ever offend anyone ever at anytime? There also seems to be this perverse idea that there are no degrees to being offended either, when there are many different ways it can express itself. Our options aren't just absolute indefference and absolute outrage. I can be offended by something without it making a huge impact on my life or take up that much of my time.

I know I thought the picture of Bush as a chimp was offensive becuase it is stupid and insulting.

I know I thought the picture of Obama as a chimp was offensive becuase it is stupid and insulting and had the added context of racism due to the history of calling black people monkeys.

They are both offensive, one just adds the race angle.

Not saying that a person shouldn't be outraged at some things, that's how positive change can take place. What I mean is the kind of scenario where it seems like someone is loaded for bear and looking for the slightest thing to get pissed at.