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Cptjake, you sure do wear your insecurities on your sleeve don't you?

This sticker is one example of a larger campaign: to paint Obama as ANYTHING that will get the wingnut vote:

1. Socialist
2. Illegal alien
3. Muslim ( "you got a funny name boy")
4. Conspirator to become dictator of America
5. And in case you missed it he is also a (inser racial slur here)

We have had other politicians call him the "food stamp president" ( obvious implication), one even called him a "tar baby". All of this is part o the public record for anyone that has been paying attention or can fathom how to use the Internet/google.

It is pretty clear that the above attacks have happened repeatedly and in numerous forms. This attitude is not isolated to a few people with a bumper sticker no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise...

CT you may want to re-word your point 5 before the MODquisition sees it...

Tibbsy wrote:CT you may want to re-word your point 5 before the MODquisition sees it...

Noted.

CT GAMER wrote:Cptjake, you sure do wear your insecurities on your sleeve don't you?

This sticker is one example of a larger campaign: to paint Obama as ANYTHING that will get the wingnut vote:

1. Socialist
2. Illegal alien
3. Muslim ( "you got a funny name boy")
4. Conspirator to become dictator of America
5. And in case you missed it he is also a (inser racial slur here)

We have had other politicians call him the "food stamp president" ( obvious implication), one even called him a "tar baby". All of this is part o the public record for anyone that has been paying attention or can fathom how to use the Internet/google.

It is pretty clear that the above attacks have happened repeatedly and in numerous forms. This attitude is not isolated to a few people with a bumper sticker no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise...

So, I guess you cannot show that many people who are against Pres Obama's re-election are against him for racist reasons, nor can you show that the bumper sticker is one of the hottest selling items right now, which give a lot of credence to my statement in my first post on the topic. I am guessing you WANT to believe your opening post and topic title because it makes it easier for you to dismiss legitimate issues. Frankly in that respect it puts you in the same category as the folks who would buy and display the sticker.

And I guess you can't understand how A number of those points are directl ties to race/racism.

I have no desire to fetch info for you nor feel the need to. It is all part of the public record.

So, as part of the public record, show me where your statement about the sticker being a hot seller is accurate.

Go ahead. I've asked multiple times. Either you can show it, or your whole premise starts to fall apart.

The point most folks make against Pres Obama tend to be based on the economy, handling of foreign policy, difference of vision when it comes to taxation. Those are not racist issues.

CptJake wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Cptjake, you sure do wear your insecurities on your sleeve don't you?

This sticker is one example of a larger campaign: to paint Obama as ANYTHING that will get the wingnut vote:

1. Socialist
2. Illegal alien
3. Muslim ( "you got a funny name boy")
4. Conspirator to become dictator of America
5. And in case you missed it he is also a (inser racial slur here)

We have had other politicians call him the "food stamp president" ( obvious implication), one even called him a "tar baby". All of this is part o the public record for anyone that has been paying attention or can fathom how to use the Internet/google.

It is pretty clear that the above attacks have happened repeatedly and in numerous forms. This attitude is not isolated to a few people with a bumper sticker no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise...

So, I guess you cannot show that many people who are against Pres Obama's re-election are against him for racist reasons, nor can you show that the bumper sticker is one of the hottest selling items right now, which give a lot of credence to my statement in my first post on the topic. I am guessing you WANT to believe your opening post and topic title because it makes it easier for you to dismiss legitimate issues. Frankly in that respect it puts you in the same category as the folks who would buy and display the sticker.

It also kind of flies in the face of 2008. If everyone who disagrees with him and doesn't want to re-elect him are racists, how do you explain them electing him in the first place?

Polonius wrote:
Isn't it a lot more likely that this will just fuel the perception many people have that the GOP is still enmeshed with racism?

That, and increase the likelihood that you'll be buying a new windshield, or repainting your car within the year.


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CptJake wrote:Prove many.

Prove this is "One of the hottest selling election related items ".

Read YOUR topic title.

I bet you can't prove either, yet you are willing to paint folks as racist and between the words in your OP and your topic title you sure as gak imply anyone who does not want to re-elect Pres Obama must be racist.

Wait, what?

Are you really trying to claim that this isn't both racist, and election swag? I mean, I guess its not "swag" because you have to buy them (or could, the site was taken down), but still.

I disagree with painting all people who don't support Obama as racist, but you're not exactly helping matters.

I claim it is NOT "One of the hottest selling election related items" (which is what the OP alleges) and that folks have plenty of reasons, not race related at all, to not want Pres Obama to be re-elected.

Honestly I'm not sure how you were able to interpret my post the way you did.

That, and increase the likelihood that you'll be buying a new windshield, or repainting your car within the year

CptJake wrote: I claim it is NOT "One of the hottest selling election related items" (which is what the OP alleges) and that folks have plenty of reasons, not race related at all, to not want Pres Obama to be re-elected.

Honestly I'm not sure how you were able to interpret my post the way you did.

It was the bit about the topic title.

CptJake wrote: I claim it is NOT "One of the hottest selling election related items" which is what the OP alleges).

So why aren't you posting your own sales figs to support it isn't?

Maybe if you show me yours I'll show you mine....

Oh right, because focusing on one line in an Internet thread is really just a smoke screen to avoid talking about the much larger and obvious issue of the general smear campaign against Obama that has played upon people's fear surrounding hot button isssues like illegals, Islam, race, etc.

Obama has plenty of things he can be questioned/ called to task on, claiming he is an "islamic illegal alien tarbaby" seems counterproductive to having one's concerns with the president taken seriously...

Sorry, some racist crap bag making up a bumpersticker does not say "America" to me.

My point was the OP used that topic title and his claim that these stickers are "One of the hottest selling election related items" to paint anyone not supporting Pres Obama as racist. And I think that is a gakky thing to do.

And he has yet to back up his claims.

CptJake wrote:
Sorry, some racist crap bag making up a bumpersticker does not say "America" to me.

My point was the OP used that topic title and his claim that these stickers are "One of the hottest selling election related items" to paint anyone not supporting Pres Obama as racist. And I think that is a gakky thing to do.

And he has yet to back up his claims.

indeed, the OP has to prove his assertion, CJ does not have to disprove a negative or whatever the crappy logical term is.

"Logic is for wussies."
-W.T. Kirk

CptJake wrote:
Sorry, some racist crap bag making up a bumpersticker does not say "America" to me.

My point was the OP used that topic title and his claim that these stickers are "One of the hottest selling election related items" to paint anyone not supporting Pres Obama as racist. And I think that is a gakky thing to do.

And he has yet to back up his claims.

I know your not new here.

It is tradition for dakkadakka political threads to be high on rhetoric and emotion and little else.

You just happen to not like it this time because your not onboard.

Don't worry one of the usual suspects will probably post a new" liberals/Obama/Gays/Arabs are the devil" threads before days end to balance it all out for you.

Unless Frazz is on vacation or something...

I'm sorry, but unless you back up your claims then they're false.

Frazzled wrote:
It also kind of flies in the face of 2008. If everyone who disagrees with him and doesn't want to re-elect him are racists, how do you explain them electing him in the first place?

They didn't notice that he was black?

DeadlySquirrel wrote:I'm sorry, but unless you back up your claims then they're false.

Truth doesn't turn on evidence.

Evidence shows that a thing is true or false, but doesn't actually bear on its truth.

If it did, math would be in a whole ton of trouble.

Polonius wrote:Is anybody going to see that and go, "holy cow, Obama's black? I should vote for Romney!"

Yes.

Manchu wrote:

Polonius wrote:Is anybody going to see that and go, "holy cow, Obama's black? I should vote for Romney!"

Yes.

In' 2012?

Do you really think that?

I'm not saying that people didn't decide in 2008 that while they agreed with his policies, he was black, and thus not worth the vote.

But it's got to be a small number of people that would change their mind about racism.

Lots of people are going to change their minds about Obama for lots of reasons, both good and bad. There's plenty of racial undertones to the opposition to Obama, but I just don't see it being useful in changing any individual minds.

Though I could see it somehow motivating apolitical racsists to get out to vote, I suppose.

I think that some latent racists might see a bumper sticker like that and feel emboldened, feel that the racism they previously did not act on because of inward shame is now actionable. No, I don't think it would convince someone who voted for Obama before not to vote for him now. But I do think it might help someone not vote for him (again or otherwise) who previously did not (conciously) take race into account in opposing him.

Manchu wrote:

Polonius wrote:Is anybody going to see that and go, "holy cow, Obama's black? I should vote for Romney!"

Yes.

Only half, if you are THAT racist you can vote for the other half. It does bring up an interesting point...if your core values leave you prejudiced against black people what about Mormons? Conundrum.

Indeed.

AustonT wrote:... if your core values leave you prejudiced against black people what about Mormons?

There's no connection between those forms of prejudice. If anything, the long Mormon history of hating black people might be brought up here.

Polonius wrote:Do you really think that?

Undoubtedly yes.

I know people like that. "He's black so he knows nothing about being American", for example.

the flip side is wondering how many black people will feel that the GOP wants to worsen race relations, and so gets out the vote against it?

It's a stirring of the pot, but I'm not sure it's good strategy.

Racists tend to see black people as politically irrelevant. Racists characterize black people as too lazy and stupid to get a state ID much less vote.

Whichi s both sad and amusing considering as far as ethnic groups go they're a pretty strong and reliable voting block, only exceeded by the elderly I think.

I thought Obama was white? His mom was white....

Lint wrote:I thought Obama was white? His mom was white....

One drop rule.