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The car with the flashy light, the word police on the side, and the shiny badge usually give it away.

I have never had a police officer say "police" after they exited the car.

d-usa wrote:The car with the flashy light, the word police on the side, and the shiny badge usually give it away.

I have never had a police officer say "police" after they exited the car.

The guy was in his backyard, chances are that he couldn't see the police car, in fact he says several times that he didn't notice the cop until he pointed a gun at his face. And I've heard them identify themselves plenty of times when they are entering private property.

Also, at around 16:00, when the cops go out to the right address, he doesn't have his gun drawn... funny...

Also, he mentions that the call they got was because of a male and female arguing, guess I was right on that. Is it SOP for police officers to wave their guns around when responding to a call about someone arguing (I'm guessing no, because he didn't draw it a second time when investigating the right address)?

It must surely suck to live in constant fear and be bullied around like that by the very people that are supposed to protect you.

PhantomViper wrote:

d-usa wrote:The car with the flashy light, the word police on the side, and the shiny badge usually give it away.

I have never had a police officer say "police" after they exited the car.

The guy was in his backyard, chances are that he couldn't see the police car, in fact he says several times that he didn't notice the cop until he pointed a gun at his face. And I've heard them identify themselves plenty of times when they are entering private property.

Also, at around 16:00, when the cops go out to the right address, he doesn't have his gun drawn... funny...

Also, he mentions that the call they got was because of a male and female arguing, guess I was right on that. Is it SOP for police officers to wave their guns around when responding to a call about someone arguing (I'm guessing no, because he didn't draw it a second time when investigating the right address)?

It must surely suck to live in constant fear and be bullied around like that by the very people that are supposed to protect you.

It was a call about a Drunk man and a Female who looked scared.

That's called possible Rape, bro. I'd go in there with my gun unbuttoned, but not drawn. Drunk men are more improbable than a roulette wheel.

Chowderhead wrote:
It was a call about a Drunk man and a Female who looked scared.

That's called possible Rape, bro. I'd go in there with my gun unbuttoned, but not drawn. Drunk men are more improbable than a roulette wheel.

Perhaps, but you certainly wouldn't draw your gun on the first civilian you see.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Wow and I thought I was old. . .

Scary part: I'm probably only ~2x the age of Genghis Connie.

Dogma's a baby! I have minis as old as you!

In fairness, I have minis older than Dogma.

In double fairness, I have minis older than me... so mindfeth.

PhantomViper wrote:The cop doesn't even identifies himself as a police officer... WTF... is that even legal?

From my cursory reading, it appears police are really only required to orally identify themselves before knocking and entering a home. Some states require more.

Of course, if they fail to do so, that doesn't mean anything they find is inadmissible, so thanks current Supreme Court!

Well, after watching that video, I really feel that cop should be put to sleep before he really screwes up in the future.

Ouze wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:The cop doesn't even identifies himself as a police officer... WTF... is that even legal?

From my cursory reading, it appears police are really only required to orally identify themselves before knocking and entering a home. Some states require more.

Of course, if they fail to do so, that doesn't mean anything they find is inadmissible, so thanks current Supreme Court!

I was told after asking that courts have ruled that uniformed officers in marked cars have no requirement to identify themselves based on the obviousness of their position in the pursuit of their duties. There's still the issue of basic courtesy and community interaction; but those aren't legal requirements.

sirlynchmob wrote:

the guy should have had his dog on a leash.

As an update;

The dog in question has had 2 complaints filed about it previously. One neighbor claims it bit her, another man claims it lunged at him but no bite.

Take that for what you will.

That link, and the pictures I've seen of Zimmerman's bloody head, makes two of the more contentious topics in the OT somewhat more interesting.

Ouze wrote:As an update;

The dog in question has had 2 complaints filed about it previously. One neighbor claims it bit her, another man claims it lunged at him but no bite.

Take that for what you will.

How old are these claims? What was the situation in which these incidents occurred? Was the complainer informed the dog may have been irritable?

Important questions to consider. If it was a puppy, I'd say they are completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.


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Also, Ouze, there is a very substantial difference between nip and bite. The way you phrase it is misleading and biased.

Hey man, I'm a dog lover and don't think he should have shot the dog (or had his gun out at all unless there was an imminent danger to someone's life; which I don't think there was). That being said I don't really make a distinction between a nip and a bite, really. So far as the other details, I don't know any more than is in the article. However it does say that one incident was in 2007 and one was last month, so the dog definitely wasn't a puppy for at least one of those incidents.

Shouldn't cops be carrying pepper spray?

Also, are cops trained to handle situations like these? Because there are plenty of better ways to handle a situation like getting run at by a dog than starting to shoot like a moron.

I'm not digging through posts, so if this has already been said then I apologize. This is inexcusable. The man was on private property, the officer mistakenly accosted Paxton, and the officer immediately jumped to the most lethal option available. I'm also skeptical of any statements issued by the police department, given that it is the inclination of any large collective of people to protect their own members and cast them in the most positive light (at least in my personal experience).

I'm not entirely sure that I would advocate firing for the officer, but at the very least he should suffer harsh disciplinary action.

He should at least be put on paperwork duties until it can be determined if he is able to cope with animals.

If he can't, then take away his gun and put him on bike trail duty.