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Matthias wrote:Knowing how the internet can get, let me reiterate what Nate said above. Ricky's decision to not participate in the Warhammer 40K Championships Finals was perfectly legit and handled without incident. He was kind enough to let us know first thing on Saturday, so we had plenty of time to inform our 1st alternate, Tim Gorham.

Of course it should also be noted that Ricky was a repeat qualifier and played in the 2011 finals also. It would have been great to see him have a 2nd chance at total victory and put one more non-GK army on the list. That said, the way the seeding worked from Friday, his first game would have been against the only other Ork player, Doug Johnson. Johnson vs. Johnson. Ork vs. Ork. One would have been knocked out in the first finals game.

Nice! Also, the fantasy team tournament armies were simply amazing... so many armies seemingly made just for the event, with lots of conversions between armies (ogres painted green with orc heads, crazy mix of khorne daemons into another army... really, really cool!).

So, a good choice imo and of course so his teammate could play, too.

Tomb King wrote:
My 5th round opponents game turn of 3 lasted just shy of an hour. No wonder I only saw 4 turns in the game.

Dude, if it was an ork player, I watched him playing another game for a while and one of his turns took like an hour what with all the moving, getting out, Waaaghing (maybe) and then assault. I wondered why the other guy didn't say anything... I wonder if it even mattered. It was amazing it took that long, cause the ork player looked like he was busily doing something the entire time. Just a lot of stuff to manage, I guess.

Yeah, no matter what tricks are used (like movement trays) or how quick you can roll dice, its a simple fact that horde armies take a lot more time to play.

There are people that claim to be able to finish a horde army tourney game with time to spare, but while that may be true for some players all of the time, and all players some of the time, it is never true for all horde players all the time. It is a proven fact that many horde games do not end past turn 4, WITH the player being experienced and keeping busy.

If the horde player was playing a non-horde list, with less to move and less dice to roll, while keeping the same level of firepower and toughness with fewer models, then it can only be an advantage to the player to have that extra time to plan moves.

Marshal Severarse wrote:

Tomb King wrote:
My 5th round opponents game turn of 3 lasted just shy of an hour. No wonder I only saw 4 turns in the game.

Dude, if it was an ork player, I watched him playing another game for a while and one of his turns took like an hour what with all the moving, getting out, Waaaghing (maybe) and then assault. I wondered why the other guy didn't say anything... I wonder if it even mattered. It was amazing it took that long, cause the ork player looked like he was busily doing something the entire time. Just a lot of stuff to manage, I guess.

Ya, I think at that time he was out of contention and the games were less strict. I warned the judges following my match to ensure that he didnt do it to the next guy and the judge affirmed that it wouldnt happen again. I said before the day I wanna lose first or make it all the way. I was just happy to make the top 16 on my first Adepticon appearance.

DevianID wrote:Yeah, no matter what tricks are used (like movement trays) or how quick you can roll dice, its a simple fact that horde armies take a lot more time to play.

There are people that claim to be able to finish a horde army tourney game with time to spare, but while that may be true for some players all of the time, and all players some of the time, it is never true for all horde players all the time. It is a proven fact that many horde games do not end past turn 4, WITH the player being experienced and keeping busy.

If the horde player was playing a non-horde list, with less to move and less dice to roll, while keeping the same level of firepower and toughness with fewer models, then it can only be an advantage to the player to have that extra time to plan moves.

It was an ork battle wagon list and he reserved everything and only got 2 units on turn 2 and most of his rides on turn 3. I can understand 4 turns of movement but he only had 2 really. I only got to fire my manticore one time the entire game and that was the top of turn 4. He just moved each individual model one a time and did so with no haste. I didnt even realize the play until it was too late.

How do necrons shut down IG shooting?

Noisy_Marine wrote:How do necrons shut down IG shooting?

Solar Pulse

It's even worse for Eldar! Despite being one of the oldest races in the galaxy, they still haven't figured out how to make a flashlight!

Here you go guys posted the most of the Top 16 lists on the blog check it out...

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/04/24/tournament-circuit-adepticon-championship-results-and-lists/

Noisy_Marine wrote:How do necrons shut down IG shooting?

Centurian99 wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:How do necrons shut down IG shooting?

Solar Pulse

Solar pulse or Immotehp... pick ur poison!

Reecius wrote:It's even worse for Eldar! Despite being one of the oldest races in the galaxy, they still haven't figured out how to make a flashlight!

Or a basic rifle that out ranges a pistol.

Ha ha ha, that, too!

Reecius wrote:Yeah, I'll post my list. It isn't what I wanted to bring, but what I had painted. We've been so busy at the shop, I didn't have time to finish my army but it's all good, I still did quite well with what I had.

Eldrad
Avatar
Dires x 10
Dires x 10
Dires x 10
Guardians x 10, Shuriken Cannon
Jet Bikes x 3

Harlies x 10, Kisses, Shadowseer
Fire Dragons x 5, Exarch, Pike, Crack Shot
Fire Dragons x 5, Exarch, Pike Crack Shot

Wraithlord, Lance, EML
Wriathlord, Lance, EML
War Walkers x 3, Scatter Laser x 6

So what would you have brought if you had a chance? It is an interesting list and I'm tempted to play around with it.

I was gong to drop a Wraithlord for 3 more War Walkers with Scatter lasers, and take another unit of Harlies. Probably drop some or all of the Dires for more Guardians with Scatter Lasers to add in more long range fire. I didn't have time to play test it, unfortunately, as we were so busy getting ready for the event. Dires are so damn good at close range though, and the differences between Guardians and them are small but can be decisive. For example, my Dires will often charge and do surprisingly well in combat against weakened units.

I will be experimenting with the new build, but I think it's power output will be higher.

Interesting. Let us know how it goes.

Reecius wrote:I was gong to drop a Wraithlord for 3 more War Walkers with Scatter lasers, and take another unit of Harlies. Probably drop some or all of the Dires for more Guardians with Scatter Lasers to add in more long range fire. I didn't have time to play test it, unfortunately, as we were so busy getting ready for the event. Dires are so damn good at close range though, and the differences between Guardians and them are small but can be decisive. For example, my Dires will often charge and do surprisingly well in combat against weakened units.

I will be experimenting with the new build, but I think it's power output will be higher.

Basically a dakka list through and through. I am playing with a 3 wraithlord list for a coming tournament with Lance/ML each. Just working out ways they can stay alive atm...

@pretre
Will do.

@Tomb King
Yeah, I started with 3 WL with BL/EML, too. I have slowly been moving to War Walkers more and more. I think you need at least one WL though as they have so many other uses such as tar pitting units, and scaring away vehicles.

@reecius - It's interesting to see how well you are doing with so little long range anti-tank. I quit playing my Eldar after a year of 5th because it was so hard to crack the transports and let the DAs do their thing. I did have two big mobs of Fire Dragons I would fortune against the then monster list which was Nob Bikers and then guide them both and doom the biker squads. I would sacrifice a full squad of jetbikes to keep them off of me. Maybe if Nob Bikers hadn't been everywhere I wouldn't have finally switched to marines. It really seems like Eldar are so good vs infantry but even their Str 8 guns do little against tanks in such small numbers. Do you rely on your ability to kill tanks in hth?

Did anyone see any necron players running C tan shards with grand illusion, and writhing worldscape?


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Great article by the foot eldar player...if this past weekend has shown me anything its that any army can be good in the hands of a skilled general! Especially when the internet makes people super over confident lol

Great post, Reecius!

For the record I have no problem with the interwebz thinking that I just march across the field and bash people BUT - the plan was to come in from 'under' eldrad with 4 units in your deployment zone and control/contest the objective.

If I remember right I botched the difficult ground roll to get in to the terrain forcing me to need that 6 to assault. So one bad roll got covered up by the clutch roll that swung the game.

I honestly just tried to seize because I could and it would have been funny if I did.. It didn't really give me any tactical advantage, ha!

I really did get greedy with the DK trying to go for the kill on Eldrad but I knew if he went down I would have completely broken your spirit. I also forgot eldrad had a power weapon I am going to force myself to get at least 5 hours of sleep next adepticon.

Reece - we need to try and pull it to where it is us in the finals.

The complete posting off all of the pictures I took form friday-sunday are posted on are local gaming group website. http://frostreaver.net/forums/showthread.php?9218-Adepticon-Pictures. While your there look up the midwest massacre info and come challenge the gamers here in the midwest.

The pictures feature a lot of the top Team tournament displays along with a good number of the 40k champs armies on display.

@Blood Angel

Hey, nothing but respect on my side of the table. You played well and brought a tough list. I tease that the army walks forward and rolls dice, but you and I both know that ins't all there is to it. Without skill, you wouldn't have gotten as far as you did.

And the DK did the only thing it really could do. You came in on that flank and then tried to win the game, well done! I love bold moves and if it had worked, like you said, I would have been in a terrible position.

Also, someone mentioned to me that the Acolytes couldn't outflank due to grand strategy. I honestly don't care at this point at all, and doubt it would have made that much difference but it may be something you want to look into further as it may not be allowed.

The seize wasn't that big of a deal, I agree. It was just annoying that you did it twice to me! hahaha

Well played, and yes, hopefully at WargamesCon we'll see one another in the finals!


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Glad you liked the article!

@Shinkaze

Yeah, fair question. A lot of people wonder the same thing. I play against nearly all mechanized armies and I find that it never poses a problem. Between the Walkers, Dragons, Wraithlords, Avatar and Guaridans, I pop them open when needed and then flak down the troops.

I can't stress enough how important the Exarch with pike and crack shot is in the fire dragons squad. He usually kills more than the rest of the squad combined.

Mech really doesn't bother me though, and as you said, once they get close, they get shredded in HtH quite easily. If WL touches a vheicle it's a pentrating hit, and the Avatar and Harlies are damn near the same.

Reecius wrote:@Blood Angel

Hey, nothing but respect on my side of the table. You played well and brought a tough list. I tease that the army walks forward and rolls dice, but you and I both know that ins't all there is to it. Without skill, you wouldn't have gotten as far as you did.

And the DK did the only thing it really could do. You came in on that flank and then tried to win the game, well done! I love bold moves and if it had worked, like you said, I would have been in a terrible position.

Also, someone mentioned to me that the Acolytes couldn't outflank due to grand strategy. I honestly don't care at this point at all, and doubt it would have made that much difference but it may be something you want to look into further as it may not be allowed.

The seize wasn't that big of a deal, I agree. It was just annoying that you did it twice to me! hahaha

Well played, and yes, hopefully at WargamesCon we'll see one another in the finals!


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@Shinkaze and Pretre

Glad you liked the article!

@Shinkaze

Yeah, fair question. A lot of people wonder the same thing. I play against nearly all mechanized armies and I find that it never poses a problem. Between the Walkers, Dragons, Wraithlords, Avatar and Guaridans, I pop them open when needed and then flak down the troops.

I can't stress enough how important the Exarch with pike and crack shot is in the fire dragons squad. He usually kills more than the rest of the squad combined.

Mech really doesn't bother me though, and as you said, once they get close, they get shredded in HtH quite easily. If WL touches a vheicle it's a pentrating hit, and the Avatar and Harlies are damn near the same.

When is wargamescon and is it already sold out?? My IG are itching for a tournament championship this year and I keep missing the prize.

Reecius wrote:
Also, someone mentioned to me that the Acolytes couldn't outflank due to grand strategy. I honestly don't care at this point at all, and doubt it would have made that much difference but it may be something you want to look into further as it may not be allowed.

Grand strategy specifically says inquisitorial warbands cannot receive any of the bonuses.

hyv3mynd wrote:

Reecius wrote:
Also, someone mentioned to me that the Acolytes couldn't outflank due to grand strategy. I honestly don't care at this point at all, and doubt it would have made that much difference but it may be something you want to look into further as it may not be allowed.

Grand strategy specifically says inquisitorial warbands cannot receive any of the bonuses.

As much as I hate to help out GK here. It may have an exclusion for inquisitorial warbands but does that exclusion include vehicles? If not then they can give the vehicle outflank and it confers it to the squad.

Tomb King wrote:

hyv3mynd wrote:

Reecius wrote:
Also, someone mentioned to me that the Acolytes couldn't outflank due to grand strategy. I honestly don't care at this point at all, and doubt it would have made that much difference but it may be something you want to look into further as it may not be allowed.

Grand strategy specifically says inquisitorial warbands cannot receive any of the bonuses.

As much as I hate to help out GK here. It may have an exclusion for inquisitorial warbands but does that exclusion include vehicles? If not then they can give the vehicle outflank and it confers it to the squad.

The only vehicles that can take it are walkers.

@NoArmorSave

Where are you located or at least where do you play so we can arrange a game?

Blackmoor wrote:

Tomb King wrote:

hyv3mynd wrote:

Reecius wrote:
Also, someone mentioned to me that the Acolytes couldn't outflank due to grand strategy. I honestly don't care at this point at all, and doubt it would have made that much difference but it may be something you want to look into further as it may not be allowed.

Grand strategy specifically says inquisitorial warbands cannot receive any of the bonuses.

As much as I hate to help out GK here. It may have an exclusion for inquisitorial warbands but does that exclusion include vehicles? If not then they can give the vehicle outflank and it confers it to the squad.

The only vehicles that can take it are walkers.

I think it was pointed out players made some mistakes due to lack of sleep over three to four days of wargaming.

Yeah... I've made my share of tactical errors and forgotten to move/shoot/assault models after a long GT.

Making an illegal play that was never legal as defined in the codex due to lack of sleep is pretty tragic.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to throw blood angel under the bus at all, and im retrospect I should have pm'd him. It wasn't a big deal at all, and no one, judges included, caught it. Mistakes are made, that is the nature of the game.

@unholy-martyr
Please let us know what it's like to play this god of 40k! Haha, i'm sure we'll all be completely amazed at what you have to share about the experience ;-)