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Reece is trying to argue with the GK player that Draigo doesn't get the effect of the brotherhood banner for the squad of paladins he is with, claiming that in assault, an IC becomes it's own squad. I think he's pulling at strings and should know better than that.

Reece lost...he had a slim chance at the end, but everything was just going Paul's way.

helium42 wrote:Reece is trying to argue with the GK player that Draigo doesn't get the effect of the brotherhood banner for the squad of paladins he is with, claiming that in assault, an IC becomes it's own squad. I think he's pulling at strings and should know better than that.

I think that may be the exhaustion from playing so much 40k talking.

Who won between Kopach and Nick?

Edit: Just saw that Kopach won by 53 victory points, wow...
So final 4 are:
Alex Fennel
Tony K
Brad Chester
Paul

So 2 GK, 1 SW, and 1 Necron..
Not the most surprising of the top 4 armies, at all.
Lets go Fennel, kick some ass.

Go Alex! Kill dem pesky grey knights with you bloodcrusher topped tomb spyder!

go space wolves.

How did Reece's avatar die? Had it taken any wounds to shooting?

Is the Daemon player Goatboy?

I am glad Reece is doing well, not surprising since he is a great player, but still really cool to see someone who devotes so much time to running great events getting to place in great events too.


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Zathras wrote:

helium42 wrote:Reece is trying to argue with the GK player that Draigo doesn't get the effect of the brotherhood banner for the squad of paladins he is with, claiming that in assault, an IC becomes it's own squad. I think he's pulling at strings and should know better than that.

I think that may be the exhaustion from playing so much 40k talking.

I would be inclined to agree with Reece on this one.

Daemon player was dakka dakka's own Centurian99 aka Bill Kim.

Reece lost to Paul Murphy aka TPM aka blood angel (on dakka) aka guy that beat Reece last year in Adepticon finals -- but had a great shot had it not gone to turn 7. Was a fun game to watch

OverwatchCNC wrote:Is the Daemon player Goatboy?

I am glad Reece is doing well, not surprising since he is a great player, but still really cool to see someone who devotes so much time to running great events getting to place in great events too.


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Zathras wrote:

helium42 wrote:Reece is trying to argue with the GK player that Draigo doesn't get the effect of the brotherhood banner for the squad of paladins he is with, claiming that in assault, an IC becomes it's own squad. I think he's pulling at strings and should know better than that.

I think that may be the exhaustion from playing so much 40k talking.

I would be inclined to agree with Reece on this one.

• An independent character may not join or leave a unit during the Shooting and Assault phases – once shots are fired or assaults are launched it is too late to join in or duck out!
• An independent character may not join or leave a unit while either he or the unit is locked in combat or falling back.

The rulebook would disagree with you both.

The part of the text on page 49 that you might be confused about refers to treating the IC as a separate unit entity only for the purposes of allocating hits and resolving wounds. No where does it say that the IC ceases to be a part of the unit.

Further evidence is found in the rules regarding the psychic power hammerhand, which is not cast until the assault phase. It states that it effects the entire unit, including ICs, and it stacks. If ICs became separate entities, then a librarian's hammerhand would only effect the librarian, and the squad's hammerhand would only effect the squad. They would never stack.

helium42 wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:Is the Daemon player Goatboy?

I am glad Reece is doing well, not surprising since he is a great player, but still really cool to see someone who devotes so much time to running great events getting to place in great events too.


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Zathras wrote:

helium42 wrote:Reece is trying to argue with the GK player that Draigo doesn't get the effect of the brotherhood banner for the squad of paladins he is with, claiming that in assault, an IC becomes it's own squad. I think he's pulling at strings and should know better than that.

I think that may be the exhaustion from playing so much 40k talking.

I would be inclined to agree with Reece on this one.

• An independent character may not join or leave a unit during the Shooting and Assault phases – once shots are fired or assaults are launched it is too late to join in or duck out!
• An independent character may not join or leave a unit while either he or the unit is locked in combat or falling back.

The rulebook would disagree with you both.

"When the attacks are resolved, however, independent characters are always treated as a separate single-model unit (as described under Multiple Combats on page 41), even though they have joined the unit."

You gain an attack from being a part of the unit with the BB, when you are resolving attacks as an IC you are considered a separate unit, a separate unit cannot benefit from a unit bonus. You only have attacks when you are resolving them, therefore you can't claim a bonus attack from wargear in a unit you are not part of.


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helium42 wrote:

OverwatchCNC wrote:Is the Daemon player Goatboy?

I am glad Reece is doing well, not surprising since he is a great player, but still really cool to see someone who devotes so much time to running great events getting to place in great events too.


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Zathras wrote:

helium42 wrote:Reece is trying to argue with the GK player that Draigo doesn't get the effect of the brotherhood banner for the squad of paladins he is with, claiming that in assault, an IC becomes it's own squad. I think he's pulling at strings and should know better than that.

I think that may be the exhaustion from playing so much 40k talking.

I would be inclined to agree with Reece on this one.

• An independent character may not join or leave a unit during the Shooting and Assault phases – once shots are fired or assaults are launched it is too late to join in or duck out!
• An independent character may not join or leave a unit while either he or the unit is locked in combat or falling back.

The rulebook would disagree with you both.

The part of the text on page 49 that you might be confused about refers to treating the IC as a separate unit entity only for the purposes of allocating hits and resolving wounds. No where does it say that the IC ceases to be a part of the unit.

Further evidence is found in the rules regarding the psychic power hammerhand, which is not cast until the assault phase. It states that it effects the entire unit, including ICs, and it stacks. If ICs became separate entities, then a librarian's hammerhand would only effect the librarian, and the squad's hammerhand would only effect the squad. They would never stack.

Exactly. Hammerhand effects attached ICs because it makes a specific inclusion for them. The BB makes no such inclusion for the IC and therefore does not grant them the bonus in CC.

You only have attacks when you are resolving them, therefore you can't claim a bonus attack from wargear in a unit you are not part of.

But they are only not part of a unit for allocating hits and resolving wounds. In every other regard they are a part of the unit. If a piece of wargear gives a unit-wide bonus, then the IC benefits.

This isnt YMTC. It is played in every tourney I have ever been in, that an IC gains any bonus's he is allowed from the unit, he is just able to get picked out in close combat. We dont need to beat a dead horse here....

How did the Team Tourney go?

Pink necrons vs. what looks like purifiers right now. Go pink!

helium42 wrote:

You only have attacks when you are resolving them, therefore you can't claim a bonus attack from wargear in a unit you are not part of.

But they are only not part of a unit for allocating hits and resolving wounds. In every other regard they are a part of the unit. If a piece of wargear gives a unit-wide bonus, then the IC benefits.

No, it states they are not a part of the unit for resolving attacks. It does not specify which attacks are being resolved, those being swung by or against the IC, therefore it is for all attacks being resolved in close combat.

Where does the brb or the codex state that the IC benefits from all wargear bonuses in CC? Things like rad and psychotroke grenages effect the unit being assaulted and therefore the benefits of said effect apply to all the units in CC with said unit. If what you state is clearly true then there would be no reason for a power like hammerhand to make specific inclusions for ICs.

I agree, I will move this to YMTC.

Fennel vs Purifier spam? O man go Alex, get dem power armored funny boys with MSS!

go crons. prove to matt ward that he cant mess up the crons just by making practically every unit expensive and slow. defeat the cheese we call the gray knights (was the `r´ supposed to be there. I cant remember)

I believe the GK player is playing henchmen GK with a unit of purifiers.

Fennel just lost his scarabs to a bad assault, coteaz plus an IC along with a rhino. Blew the rhino up, but with coteaz and the ICs grenades, all scarabs got wiped out...
Should not have sacrificed all his scarabs for one rhino. May potentially lose him the game to due to free movement and loss of units on his opponents turn.

And one dread just got 2 pens and a glance on a ghost ark...destroyed. Plus 1 dread just aced two wraiths, while purifiers are about to unload and assault 2 spyders. Fennel is going to have to make a comeback after this turn...

Wonder where I can get that Rhino silhouette Wreck Marker they're using.

They seem to be in desperate need of a turn counter...

Wraith's should have just ID Coteaz......but he just put a wound on him....

I noticed 2 mistakes in Alex's game as necrons:


1. He moved the monolith and then teleported his guys through it.

2. He used Glood Prism to cancel out Hammerhand cast within 3" of it.


It just goes to show that everyone can make mistakes, especially after 5-6 games.

He could have re-rolled a failed to hit roll with coteaz and didn't.

Did they just forget to fight the cotez combat on the Necron turn?

Res rolls have been poor lol

Awesome streaming, the IC's are doing a great job with coverage. It's nice knowing that mistakes are made on the big levels, now I do not feel so bad.

NoArmorSave wrote:I would easily table any of these guys with my Fatecrusher Daemons. They wouldn't stand a chance.

Oh yeah? How did you do at Adepticon this year, anyway?

puma713 wrote:

NoArmorSave wrote:I would easily table any of these guys with my Fatecrusher Daemons. They wouldn't stand a chance.

Oh yeah? How did you do at Adepticon this year, anyway?

didnt you know? NAS always beats GK with Daemons, never loses.

The main event for #1 - Tony Kopach's Njal Space Wolves vs Brad's Henchmen Grey Knights.

My money is on Tony.

Final table setting up! SW vs. GK.

I got that wrong