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 CDK wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

 CDK wrote:
I did a search through GW official minis and found NO humans that were painted Non-white.

You didn't look hard enough. There are a few non-white models in the IG range.

Um and this is where? I looked again and if I have to TRY to find them then it's kind of pointless. I don't thin the RR count.

Last Chancers.

It is actually a bit bizarre how pretty much all models are painted with white skin. There's one Indian guy hiding in the collector section.

There are no darker skinned fellows in IG codex either. This is odd. I'm sure that at least Catachans used to be more diverse previously.

 Crimson wrote:
It is actually a bit bizarre how pretty much all models are painted with white skin. There's one Indian guy hiding in the collector section.

There are no darker skinned fellows in IG codex either. This is odd. I'm sure that at least Catachans used to be more diverse previously.

Yeah, I just took a look myself. I swear there used to be like 4 black guys in the Catachan box. Some of them are modeled as black guys.

Last Chancers makes in even more funny because they are a Penal Troop! The one non-white figure and he's in prison most of the time! lol

 Crimson wrote:
It is actually a bit bizarre how pretty much all models are painted with white skin.

Do you also find it "bizarre" that English people speak English?


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 DeffDred wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It is actually a bit bizarre how pretty much all models are painted with white skin. There's one Indian guy hiding in the collector section.

There are no darker skinned fellows in IG codex either. This is odd. I'm sure that at least Catachans used to be more diverse previously.

Yeah, I just took a look myself. I swear there used to be like 4 black guys in the Catachan box. Some of them are modeled as black guys.

Black dude on the front of the Catachan Codex:

 Testify wrote:

Do you also find it "bizarre" that English people speak English?

No. Why is this relevant?

Black dude on the front of the Catachan Codex:

Yes, I know. That's why it is odd that none of the models either in the codex or on the website are painted with darker skin.

I have the impression that previous IG codex had pictures of models with darker skin, but I can't verify that at the moment..

 Crimson wrote:

 Testify wrote:

Do you also find it "bizarre" that English people speak English?

No. Why is this relevant?

Because white people who paint people...will paint them white. It's not hard.


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 Crimson wrote:

Yes, I know. That's why it is odd that none of the models either in the codex or on the website are painted with darker skin.

I have the impression that previous IG codex had pictures of models with darker skin, but I can't verify that at the moment..

3rd/4th edition guard didn't. 2nd ed was before my time.

Maybe the BNP just won the battle for Britain's Soul

 Testify wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Testify wrote:

Do you also find it "bizarre" that English people speak English?

No. Why is this relevant?

Because white people who paint people...will paint them white. It's not hard.

Not hard for professional painters to expand their palette a bit either when they're trying to advertise.

its not worth the time invested to learn techniques to paint other colored skins then whites . Dark colores , specialy pure black is probably the worse color to paint well .

Why would not not be worth your time to expand your abilities as an artist? That's like saying it's not worth painting trees because you live in the city.

 SaintTom wrote:

 Testify wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Testify wrote:

Do you also find it "bizarre" that English people speak English?

No. Why is this relevant?

Because white people who paint people...will paint them white. It's not hard.

Not hard for professional painters to expand their palette a bit either when they're trying to advertise.

By making the models they use different to 99% of their target market? There's nothing more offputting than a rainbow-collage of people.

Why not have them holding hands and singing together too. In fact, why even battle with them? Why not have a tabletop game where all the different armies learn to coconcile their differences and live together in harmony?

Lovehammer!

 Testify wrote:
There's nothing more offputting than a rainbow-collage of people.

What?

 Crimson wrote:

 Testify wrote:
There's nothing more offputting than a rainbow-collage of people.

What?

Ya maybe I don't get that because I live in the US. I can't imaging seeing the same type of people all the time. I'd get bored lol.

I think what he's saying is that its odd to have units with different colored people.

Now the reasoning behind this is simple, IG units are raised from the same planet. So the people will likely be all the same. It wouldn't make any sense to have Black Valhallens or Vostroyens for example.

You could say your IG is raised from a world like Earth(variety of climates) or a Hive World with lots of people from different planets. Or your regiment could be a regiment cobled together from 2+ understrength regiments.


Space Marines could have some variation as they often recruit from multiple planets. Although Space Marine enhancements do allow them to alter their pigmentation to suit the environment, so a Marine could actually change skin shade over his lifetime.

I paint my guardsmen in a variety of skin colours. I don't find it offputting. I like it.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I paint my guardsmen in a variety of skin colours. I don't find it offputting. I like it.

+1 for this. Political correctness is down to the player. Hence why half of my Sisters of Battle are either black or Middle Eastern.

In official 40k background, though, I've seen some instances of non-Caucasian Imperials. The Tallarns are an obvious one, and I believe there was an Asian Inquisitor who helped the Ultramarines at one point in the Graham McNeill books. In one of the Ciaphas Cain books (I think Caves of Ice), there is also mention of a dark-skinned Valhlallan, and Inquisitor Vail's notes speculate that Valhalla is more ethnically diverse than people realize.

Lord of Nonsensical Crap wrote:
I've seen some instances of non-Caucasian Imperials. The Tallarns are an obvious one...

They have their faces hidden. They are also based on Lawrance of Arabia. A white man.

There's a big variety portrayed in the Imperial Army in 'Legion' if I remember right.

For example, I believe the Lord Commander was... Indian I think? A lot of his fancy Lord Commander trinkets were based off of Kali, such as a load of servo arm type gadgets carrying varying swords...

Oomies always arguin' whos speshul.

Lemme tell you gitz a sekret.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I think what he's saying is that its odd to have units with different colored people.

Now the reasoning behind this is simple, IG units are raised from the same planet. So the people will likely be all the same. It wouldn't make any sense to have Black Valhallens or Vostroyens for example.

Probably from Earth.



Obviously from the Moon.



Obviously from Mars.



Obviously from Venus.



What is this? Women don't exist, silly! They're only in fiction.

I know you mentioned Earth having different climates, but seriously. Catachan might be covered in jungle, but there's no way the climate is identical across its whole surface.

 Testify wrote:

 SaintTom wrote:

 Testify wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Testify wrote:

Do you also find it "bizarre" that English people speak English?

No. Why is this relevant?

Because white people who paint people...will paint them white. It's not hard.

Not hard for professional painters to expand their palette a bit either when they're trying to advertise.

By making the models they use different to 99% of their target market? There's nothing more offputting than a rainbow-collage of people.

Why not have them holding hands and singing together too. In fact, why even battle with them? Why not have a tabletop game where all the different armies learn to coconcile their differences and live together in harmony?

Lovehammer!

I don't see how having some models in an army, or just some shots of the army itself being different than the other hundreds of shots would be a bad thing. What happened to it just being a game so people can paint them how they want? Same answer to this you know.

Though I suppose it's only a problem when you'd rather they not change anything since you don't have any issues with it.

I don't know why you're getting all whiny about someone wanting to see some more colorful models, you're gettin' a lil too personal for this I think.

 Compel wrote:
There's a big variety portrayed in the Imperial Army in 'Legion' if I remember right.

For example, I believe the Lord Commander was... Indian I think? A lot of his fancy Lord Commander trinkets were based off of Kali, such as a load of servo arm type gadgets carrying varying swords...

That's awesome.
This would be something awesome to see built and painted up, and I doubt it would be "off putting" to their main demographic who only want to see white people 24/7.

Well, for whatever its worth, the audience for GW products is overwhelmingly Caucasian.

 Omegus wrote:
Well, for whatever its worth, the audience for GW products is overwhelmingly Caucasian.

Yeah, it is...

But the question that needs to be asked is "Why should it just be for a white audience?" and "Is the white dominance a self-fulfilling prophecy?" i.e, is it putting off ethnic minorities due to the fact the vast majority of fluff and models are white? I say absolutely 100% yes.

Of course, if you are middle class and white you probably don't care. Or you just don't see this and believe we are being 'paranoid.'. Fine, but we aren't. They said that during the civic rights movement in the southern US during the 60's. Look at the black panthers. "Yeah it's because there is sectarianism and apartheid". What, so that makes it okay? No, it really doesn't. Admitting a problem exists doesn't magically make it okay.

I think if GW made more effort to make the universe more ethnically diverse, the hobby would be infinitely more accessible for ethnic minorities. The only reason you wouldnt want this is if you have insecurities about black people (who you see as maybe "inferior" or "thugish") and are therefore racist. Sorry but it's true.

I fully expect to get a torrent of abuse for this opinion but honestly i dont care, I am pointing out something very few people want to confront....Just like the black panthers got horrific abuse in previous decades...

Right I'm gonna kick your pasty a****

Look at the Salamander pictures at the bottom of this thread :
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Salamanders

Look at the scout biker on attack bike with the dreadlocks.

Salamanders like Space Wolves have a gene seed deficency that can I repeat can alter there physique :

The whole black skin with red eyes is cool and I'm black. But I know for a fact that the picture of Tu'shan has been coloured in by a fat kid with spectacles. The official GW pic is in black and white.

Ethnicity is no big deal in 40k. Millions of planets based and themed on hundreds of civilisations.

Angron and his Gladiators whilst reminscent of Spartacus also remind me of the Maroons. The Jamaican slaves that killed there masters and fortified themselves in the mountains, repulsing countless british counter attacks despite lacking musket weaponry and gunpowder.

Both Cadian and Catachan Codex Cover artwork has shown multi ethnicities. And the Catachan are based HEAVILY on vietnam the so called white mans war fought by the black man against the yellow man.

The ratio of African Americans that fought and died in that conflict and the ratio of their reenlistment compared to so called white patriot americans speak for itself.

To have a credible catachan force based on the vietnam war you'd have to include black soldiers.

Look at Africa and all the countless conflicts that have and are taking place. Soldiers that have known war from the age of 8 in most cases.

And don't moan about the "rabble doesn't count" the African Union fields excellent, modern field units, weaponry and equipment. Look at the South African Special Forces Brigade or Recce and read about their statistics, they truly are one of the most ELITE special forces in the world today.

Just because they aren't on Call of Duty doesn't mean they don't exist you idiots.

Finally, the Thousand Sons are based on ancient Egypt. A civilisation that was ruled by the Nubian dynasties for several successive generations. The MEDJAY were the elite Nubian bodyguards that became a presitigious social class in Egyptian society in which countless caucasoid arabs tried join in order to attain the same social privileges.

Nubian archers were the finest marksmen in history. The Makurian Empire (today's Sudan) was never conquered yet the Turks, Egyptians and Europeans tried repeatedly. It was only with the BAKT (the first EVER recorded time a treaty or PACT was made) that the Egyptians managed to make a ceasefire with them.

Read up on King TAHARQA or King Merkurios.

This deeply offends me, pasty white kids believing they know everything about Africa after listening to one of their bigoted relatives over a sunday dinner or reading about some pompous european general during colonisation or the scramble for africa which was also a war fought by the ASKARI (african soldiers that fought for Europe and colonised Africa for Europe and personal gain.)

IDIOTS

By playing the videogames, the SM's and the Imperial Guard all seem to have Caucasian British accents, which could be to due to the descendants of Brits being the dominant race in the future. This could be an explanation.

PS. Africa exports copious amounts of petrol , agriculture - You think coffee, bananas, mangos come from Scandinavia ?????

Maybe if white americans would stop being so racially biased, black americans would stop being so hostile.

Read about Fiji, a heavily militarised black country with racial tensions towards the ethnic Indian and Chinese minorities.

Minorities no matter where they are will always get the blame and to be honest. I live in England and have both white and black friends with whom we all party together regularly.

The only ethnicities that stick between themsevles and are TRULY RACIST are the Indians and Chinese. They make little or NO effort whatsoever to integrate.

And yet, the blacks take the blame as usual...

Screw You Guys.





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Or perhaps the game is aimed at a predominantly WHITE BRITISH / AMERICAN social group.

It's called MARKETING Tyriion, learn about business. If you own a company the first thing you do is ANALYSE THE MARKET YOU IDIOT.

You choose your potential clinets this process is called CUSTOMER PROFILING !

 DeffDred wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It is actually a bit bizarre how pretty much all models are painted with white skin. There's one Indian guy hiding in the collector section.

There are no darker skinned fellows in IG codex either. This is odd. I'm sure that at least Catachans used to be more diverse previously.

Yeah, I just took a look myself. I swear there used to be like 4 black guys in the Catachan box. Some of them are modeled as black guys.

I used to think that. I think the picture is black and white and the one of the characters just has the stereotypes of a black person, but is not black.

Orchid of Cthonia wrote:
PS. Africa exports copious amounts of petrol , agriculture - You think coffee, bananas, mangos come from Scandinavia ?????

Maybe if white americans would stop being so racially biased, black americans would stop being so hostile.

Read about Fiji, a heavily militarised black country with racial tensions towards the ethnic Indian and Chinese minorities.

Minorities no matter where they are will always get the blame and to be honest. I live in England and have both white and black friends with whom we all party together regularly.

The only ethnicities that stick between themsevles and are TRULY RACIST are the Indians and Chinese. They make little or NO effort whatsoever to integrate.

And yet, the blacks take the blame as usual...

Screw You Guys.





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Or perhaps the game is aimed at a predominantly WHITE BRITISH / AMERICAN social group.

It's called MARKETING Tyriion, learn about business. If you own a company the first thing you do is ANALYSE THE MARKET YOU IDIOT.

You choose your potential clinets this process is called CUSTOMER PROFILING !

You are the most reverse-racist, biased, dumb jackass I have ever seen write a paragraph before

I don't think there is ethnic people in 40k cuz the imperium is kinda like a nazi germany or something like that with the hitler emperor so thus the people would have to be white, the ethnic units you see are generally fan made units are are not canon.