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copper.talos wrote:
@Kangodo
So in a cc that a HQ challenges the enemy HQ, will you use majority WS & T for the characters involved?

Does that matter?
This forum is meant to find out what the RAW exactly is and how things SHOULD be played.

How I would play it: Their own WS/T.. That's because houserules overrule anything
Our terrain has a pyramid and it's our own rule that unique characters get teleported momentarily to the top of the pyramid to fight their legendary challenge, so that everyone in the army can see it.

Actually this forum is to help find solutions to issues that rules doesn't cover so clearly. If there were RAW answers to every question then this forum wouldn't exist.

And by the way 99.9% play challenges using the character's WS & T, and they don't consider it house rule. It's just the sensible way to play it.

 BarBoBot wrote:

destuctir wrote:

clively wrote:
I seriously can't believe this thread hasn't been locked.

Who cares if RAI it was this way or that.

The GW gods have spoken and it's settled. Carry on.

i canmt find no such GW god statment. if you mean an FAQ there hasnt been one

The FAQ will be here shortly. The digital codexes have already been updated to show that the passengers take no damage. Is the digital codex not official enough for you?

I can certainly see why some people don't like the call, (necrons didn't really need any more buffs) but now it's over. Necrons don't take crash and burn... /shrug

Nope, in these parts the digital copies are not allowed as they can be tampered with. So until it shows up in the FAQ's, its a hoax.

and by these parts I mean in my local area, not here on dakka

sirlynchmob wrote:
Nope, in these parts the digital copies are not allowed as they can be tampered with. So until it shows up in the FAQ's, its a hoax.

and by these parts I mean in my local area, not here on dakka

That's lame
"They are digital, so they can be tampered with!"
Unlike the FAQ of course, which isn't digital at aaaall.

Hell, everything can be tampered.
But I prefer to play with friends, and I trust them.
Even though they often forget rules or use rules from 5th that have been changed, I trust that it's an accident.

copper.talos wrote:
Actually this forum is to help find solutions to issues that rules doesn't cover so clearly. If there were RAW answers to every question then this forum wouldn't exist.

And by the way 99.9% play challenges using the character's WS & T, and they don't consider it house rule. It's just the sensible way to play it.

Well, I can (comfortably) say that almost every single question is answered in the rulebook.
The problem is that for some issues you have to combine 10 pages of rules before you get to a definite answer
Unless I misinterpreted the term RAW, that would apply to almost all answers.

And I agree that almost everyone plays it like that.
But the official rules say that it shouldn't be played like that.
One of my friends said this a few hours ago, and I agree with him: "I hardly care about the RAW, it's a cinematic game and should be played as thus."

sirlynchmob wrote:
Nope, in these parts the digital copies are not allowed as they can be tampered with. So until it shows up in the FAQ's, its a hoax.

and by these parts I mean in my local area, not here on dakka

You do realize the digital codexes are more than just PDFs right?
If you can figure out how to "tamper" with them you'll make a significant amount of money selling that knowledge.

rigeld2 wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
Nope, in these parts the digital copies are not allowed as they can be tampered with. So until it shows up in the FAQ's, its a hoax.

and by these parts I mean in my local area, not here on dakka

You do realize the digital codexes are more than just PDFs right?
If you can figure out how to "tamper" with them you'll make a significant amount of money selling that knowledge.

I don't have any idea how they're packaged. I don't have any apple products in my house.

For the tournies the TO will normally have the up to date faq's. You can even check them in the middle of a tourny and verify the information. If he also doesn't get the digital codexes then the new rules won't mean anything to him either.
With Gw's lack of advertising, I have doubts if that update is really in the improved codex, or it was tampered with. according to Itunes july 2012, is when the necron codex was published, so this new information just now gets put into the book, with no new publish date? The two new updates for jan were:
CODEX: DARK ANGELS
A CALL TO ARMS - PART 4

I don't know if it's real or not, but once Gw updates the faq's then I can see it for myself.

Everything digital can be tampered with.

Correct, the publish date isn't updated when they update the app.

And everything digital can be tampered with in theory. Hacking iBooks is nontrivial (the apps in a book like codexes, not just plain books).

Edit: in practice I'm pretty sure it hasn't been done.

rigeld2 wrote:
Correct, the publish date isn't updated when they update the app.

And everything digital can be tampered with in theory. Hacking iBooks is nontrivial (the apps in a book like codexes, not just plain books).

Edit: in practice I'm pretty sure it hasn't been done.

I agree that it's unlikely it's been tampered with. That said though it's very possible, albeit unlikely.

copper.talos wrote:
@jegsar

Does Ahriman has any rules in its codex entry that say it can cast 12 powers a turn or something close to it? I think not, so it's not the same situation as the transport rule for the scythe.

And since you are so keen on strict RAW, are you playing challenges using majority WS & T? What do your opponents say about this?

I like a balanced game, night scythes are not balanced for point cost. This is an opinion just like using fluff and i can find fluff written by games workshop/chiel

As a side note
pg. 24

Attacks made against such a unit are resolved using the Weapon Skill of the majority of the engaged enemy models.

The attacks are not made against the unit, they are made against the model.

and by fluff rules, when Lucius is killed, the model that killed him should transform into him and your model would be removed. This also means that you can never gain the victory point for killing him. I like fulff rules lets play with them

Lucius now stalks the galax)' as an arrogant slaughterer who
can never trul} be killed. whoever slay~ him and take~ even
a moment of satisfaction from the act \\i ll find themsehes
transforming, slowly and painfully, into Lucius.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Correct, the publish date isn't updated when they update the app.

And everything digital can be tampered with in theory. Hacking iBooks is nontrivial (the apps in a book like codexes, not just plain books).

Edit: in practice I'm pretty sure it hasn't been done.

I agree that it's unlikely it's been tampered with. That said though it's very possible, albeit unlikely.

Thank goodness we have an online community of trusted people who attend events in real life and are not simply anonymous scammers who can corroborate the digital updates and provide that information to the network of TOs who all communicate with each other to make sure that most of the well-run events in the community have the updated rules.

Pretty much anyone who tries to silo themselves in a 'digital updates are all fake and lies, I hate geedub' is just being delusional.

nkelsch wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Correct, the publish date isn't updated when they update the app.

And everything digital can be tampered with in theory. Hacking iBooks is nontrivial (the apps in a book like codexes, not just plain books).

Edit: in practice I'm pretty sure it hasn't been done.

I agree that it's unlikely it's been tampered with. That said though it's very possible, albeit unlikely.

Thank goodness we have an online community of trusted people who attend events in real life and are not simply anonymous scammers who can corroborate the digital updates and provide that information to the network of TOs who all communicate with each other to make sure that most of the well-run events in the community have the updated rules.

Pretty much anyone who tries to silo themselves in a 'digital updates are all fake and lies, I hate geedub' is just being delusional.

first, love the sarcasm

It's not delusional at all, has anyone actually seen this new digital codex or just the rules text for this one topic?

Anyone can doctor up a screen shot and put whatever they want on it.

But doesn't it seem a bit odd, that gw takes the time to update the digital codex, and not the faq? Are we all supposed to get the digital codexes from now on to make sure we have the most up to date rules? Those poor suckers getting the hard back DA codex, they should have got the digital one.

Information can be found here.




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Just so I understand, we agree that RAW (with the digital dex change anyway) is that they don't take the hits, and are just arguing over what the intent was pre-update?

 Happyjew wrote:
Information can be found here.

I saw that, it is not from gw, its just a screen shot that may or may not have been doctored. quoting a blog has to be up there with quoting fluff

sirlynchmob wrote:

first, love the sarcasm

It's not delusional at all, has anyone actually seen this new digital codex or just the rules text for this one topic?

Anyone can doctor up a screen shot and put whatever they want on it.

But doesn't it seem a bit odd, that gw takes the time to update the digital codex, and not the faq? Are we all supposed to get the digital codexes from now on to make sure we have the most up to date rules? Those poor suckers getting the hard back DA codex, they should have got the digital one.

Wouldn't be the first time they've put rules in an iDex that differ from the paper dex. They don't exactly have a history of consistency in their rules or of notifying us of changes they make between different printings of the same dex (see the 1st and 2nd printing of the 3rd ed necron dex - the changes NEVER saw a mention in any FAQ). Someone in this thread already mentioned they saw the iDex first hand, so I'm going to go with it being legit for the moment.

Face it, they finally got around to fixing a rule that they broke with the release of 6th edition. It doesn't happen all that often with them, but they do fix things like that on occasion. Now, from a game balance standpoint, did the Night Scythe need the fix? No, not really. I think most unbiased people will agree that it's already the best dedicated transport in the game and is underpriced for what it does...however, GW has essentially already stated that game balance is not their primary concern. For better or worse, that's just the way it is.

They often finish FAQs weeks before updating them. Remember the updated date compared to the actual upload of the Chaos FAQ?

sirlynchmob wrote:

It's not delusional at all, has anyone actually seen this new digital codex or just the rules text for this one topic?

I've got the iOS codex, so yes, I've seen it. It also clarifies that Deathmarks may only single out one unit per game to put an end to the VoD multi-target exploit.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Anyone can doctor up a screen shot and put whatever they want on it.

I've posted up screenshots of the new rules text, Are you accusing me of tampering with the photo?
Seriously?

The rule has been amended, iOS codexes exist, learn to deal and move on.

 marv335 wrote:

I've got the iOS codex, so yes, I've seen it. It also clarifies that Deathmarks may only single out one unit per game to put an end to the VoD multi-target exploit.

Another sensible ruling...

From the latest FAQ:

Q: If a unit is embarked on a Night Scythe that is Wrecked or Explodes,
do they suffer Strength 10 hits with no armour saves as per the Crash
and Burn rules before they are placed in reserve? (p81)
A: No.

 marv335 wrote:


I've posted up screenshots of the new rules text, Are you accusing me of tampering with the photo?
Seriously?

The rule has been amended, iOS codexes exist, learn to deal and move on.

Yes. You doctored the photo, and along with dozens of wargaming blogs and other real people have a grand conspiracy to fake the digital update, and I believe this because I have an axe to grind with GW over the cost of their iBooks or the delivery method so I with be unreasonable and extend this thread 2 more pages.

GW should focus on updating free PDFs before digital printings which generate them money. Products people pay for should be ignored because I don't use them but they should spend more time and resources updating the free PDF faster. Besides... IBooks are easy to hack... Now PDFs printed on paper... Those are impossible to modify and cheat people with.

The new FAQ is out now so it's official.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Face it, they finally got around to fixing a rule that they broke with the release of 6th edition.

And the poor Eldar are still waiting to have their poor Banshee masks start working vs charging into terrain again, something 4th (?) edition broke. :-(

5th edition, in 4th defenders got the bonus to I10, in 5th they changed it to attackers getting a penalty.

GW is fail again

 jegsar wrote:
GW is fail again

Because the rules were updated to be exceedingly clear on this or simply because you don't like the game?

I think this topic can be safely locked as the FAQ clearly answers the question.