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 Wilytank wrote:
Only if you're American. Same principle doesn't apply to the Norsemen.

Besides, my original point still stands. Getting blasted but then taking down something big? Orks can do that. Doesn't make you special. Angron murdered a titan? Lukas the Trickster shared a dozen beds in a single night on Fenris. I don't care if he's a primarch, Angron loses no matter how big of a thing he kills.

Angron also beat up Leman Russ.

But then so did Lion El'Jonson.

For all his boasts and bravado, he seems to be a man utterly incapable of backing it up, except against a brother who was already bordering on the suicidal (Magnus).

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Only if you're American. Same principle doesn't apply to the Norsemen.

Besides, my original point still stands. Getting blasted but then taking down something big? Orks can do that. Doesn't make you special. Angron murdered a titan? Lukas the Trickster shared a dozen beds in a single night on Fenris. I don't care if he's a primarch, Angron loses no matter how big of a thing he kills.

Angron also beat up Leman Russ.

But then so did Lion El'Jonson.

For all his boasts and bravado, he seems to be a man utterly incapable of backing it up, except against a brother who was already bordering on the suicidal (Magnus).

And again my original point still stands. You could kill the Void Dragon itself; doesn't make you a man. I'm pretty sure if Angron had a wife, he'd beat the crap out of her every night. Automatic fail on the manhood test.

There's really no contest here. Lelith WILL take your lunch money, and take it hard.

Iranna.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Only if you're American. Same principle doesn't apply to the Norsemen.

Besides, my original point still stands. Getting blasted but then taking down something big? Orks can do that. Doesn't make you special. Angron murdered a titan? Lukas the Trickster shared a dozen beds in a single night on Fenris. I don't care if he's a primarch, Angron loses no matter how big of a thing he kills.

But then so did Lion El'Jonson.

IIRC, he knocked him flat on his arse with one uppercut
I honestly don't get why people put Russ on such a pedestal. Maybe it's his magnificent hair...

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Only if you're American. Same principle doesn't apply to the Norsemen.

Besides, my original point still stands. Getting blasted but then taking down something big? Orks can do that. Doesn't make you special. Angron murdered a titan? Lukas the Trickster shared a dozen beds in a single night on Fenris. I don't care if he's a primarch, Angron loses no matter how big of a thing he kills.

But then so did Lion El'Jonson.

IIRC, he knocked him flat on his arse with one uppercut

It was after a day long fist fight. Eventually, they broke off. Russ saw the humor of the situation and started laughing, letting his guard down. Lion, who isn't manly enough to now what humor is, was insulted and then knocked him out.

 Wilytank wrote:
And again my original point still stands. You could kill the Void Dragon itself; doesn't make you a man. I'm pretty sure if Angron had a wife, he'd beat the crap out of her every night. Automatic fail on the manhood test.

Angron is a Primarch, which either makes him automatically asexual or gay, so your point has no validity.

Why is Leman Russ more of a man? Because he drinks a lot?

Not that Angron would be my pick mind you. The only correct answer is still Commissar Yarrick.

Sanguinius, got his legs broken by the most powerful bloodthirster in existence. Whent on to survive the ordeal and do almost all of the work at seige of Terra. He closed the infinity gate by throwing the bloodthirster (who had previously broken his legs) who's back he had just broken over his knee through them. He then went on to battle his way through Horus' flag ship to reach him, refuse the temptation of all 4 gods for him to join chaos and then create the chink in Horus' armour which allowed Big E to stomp him flat. A true man... Even if he does have chicken wings and the face of an angry 5 year old....

djz05 wrote:
His armor is slightly more effective than tissue paper, his weapon is slightly more powerful than a flashlight, and Horus' power claw is bigger than his entire body. He stands before a being infused by the dark gods' with incalculable power, that can and will obliterate his soul with no more effort than it would take him to swat a gnat. Nothing he can do could possibly make a difference.

He could run. He could turn his weapon on himself. He could give in to the insidious whispers that echo from the ship's corridors into his mind.

Ollanius Pius does the duty his Emperor requires of him. He dies standing and holds the frakking line. (Cue manly tears)

Yeah. He died screaming his defiance into the face of evil. There's something to be said for a guy who inspired the Emperor himself to man up and kill Horus.

 Void__Dragon wrote:


Why is Leman Russ more of a man? Because he drinks a lot?

Actually, yes.

Men like doing that. Going out, having drinks, partying, picking up some girls, waking up the next day in their bed hung over with said girls.

The whole "he destroyed/killed something really big after getting smashed over the face repeatedly with a thunder hammer for about half an hour and got blasted by seven vindicators" reason doesn't make you a man. A badass, sure. But not a man. Also, it's extremely hackneyed in the 40k universe that it's not even impressive anymore.

As someone who is an obvious Wolf fan, I'd support Russ.

His Legion is just that, still a Legion. Not because of something to hide, but purely because of the extreme loyalty bound by a courageous leader.

Yea, a man may not win every battle (See Lion El'Whiner being a hoser).

But to see all the crap that went down in the Heresy and look at his closest buds and go "Feth, guys... We're taking the fight to them!" He saddles up his best and brightest and goes into the Eye of Terror like a boss, while leaving behind one of his closest friends knowing that his loyalty would not falter; through feelings of confusion and betrayal, with an assurance "I will return, at the Wolf time, and we shall fight together one last time," has kept the oldest living Space Marine alive for 10,000yrs (shout out to B'jorn for being the most manly to rock it out that long).

His legion gave the biggest middle finger it could to the Codex Astartes and isn't afraid to rock on any other chapter that falls out of line (and form my understanding of the fluff, are called on to do so).

Sanguinius is a boss, but his chapter is tainted without him. Angron is a beast, but he succumbs to his baser instincts; a true man has both strength and control.

Russ is the true boss of the 40K universe, the guy that'll buy you and your buds a round of beer, let you win an arm wrestling competition to impress your lass, and will even spot you a ride home; but fully expecting you to man up.

If Russ was still active in real space, he'd have never allowed Ollanius Pius to be retconned out of existence and would have been the guy to start the slow clap for him.

That's why Russ is the manliest. All the other famous wolves are just a mere impersonation of his character.

(But if we're going with non-primarchs, Arjac. Rockfist. Winner)

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:


IIRC, he knocked him flat on his arse with one uppercut
I honestly don't get why people put Russ on such a pedestal. Maybe it's his magnificent hair...

I'm afraid you must be thinking of the DA primarch who has had *ahem* questionable interests. Love thy brother taken a bit far in DA?

i vote my Khorne biker lord with his blindingly awesome axe

 Wilytank wrote:
Actually, yes.

Men like doing that. Going out, having drinks, partying, picking up some girls, waking up the next day in their bed hung over with said girls.

That indicates a lack of self-control of their lives, which is not manly.

Also, Leman Russ didn't pick up girls.

And of course there is his arrogant, boastful nature. Braggarts are by definition the opposite of manly, lacking the composure necessary for manliness.

The whole "he destroyed/killed something really big after getting smashed over the face repeatedly with a thunder hammer for about half an hour and got blasted by seven vindicators" reason doesn't make you a man. A badass, sure. But not a man. Also, it's extremely hackneyed in the 40k universe that it's not even impressive anymore.

Only Yarrick doesn't do that. He's lost every fight he has had with Ghazghkuull. But despite that, the greatest Ork Warlord in the galaxy respects him more than any other foe for his relentless tenacity, skill in combat, and his refusal to give up or die. That is manly.


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 TheKbob wrote:
His Legion is just that, still a Legion. Not because of something to hide, but purely because of the extreme loyalty bound by a courageous leader.

One nitpick; the Space Wolves are not a Legion. They number around 2,000 Wolves at best.

Yea, a man may not win every battle (See Lion El'Whiner being a hoser).

True.

But to see all the crap that went down in the Heresy and look at his closest buds and go "Feth, guys... We're taking the fight to them!" He saddles up his best and brightest and goes into the Eye of Terror like a boss, while leaving behind one of his closest friends knowing that his loyalty would not falter; through feelings of confusion and betrayal, with an assurance "I will return, at the Wolf time, and we shall fight together one last time," has kept the oldest living Space Marine alive for 10,000yrs (shout out to B'jorn for being the most manly to rock it out that long).

Also a respectable reason.

His legion gave the biggest middle finger it could to the Codex Astartes and isn't afraid to rock on any other chapter that falls out of line (and form my understanding of the fluff, are called on to do so).

It arguably used to be, but that duty now falls to the Minotaurs chapter.

Also, the Space Wolf tendency to give everyone else the middle finger and get away with it isn't a trait of manliness, it is a trait of Suism.

Sanguinius is a boss, but his chapter is tainted without him. Angron is a beast, but he succumbs to his baser instincts; a true man has both strength and control.

I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning on Sanguinius, but with Angron that is indeed true.

Russ is the true boss of the 40K universe, the guy that'll buy you and your buds a round of beer, let you win an arm wrestling competition to impress your lass, and will even spot you a ride home; but fully expecting you to man up.

Maybe.

The Space Wolves of Leman's era were not the dudebros of the current era. They were kind of jerkasses and douchebags. Leman was something of a judgmental man who jumped to conclusions as well.

If Russ was still active in real space, he'd have never allowed Ollanius Pius to be retconned out of existence and would have been the guy to start the slow clap for him.

Ollanius Pius was never really retconned. He was never really a character, as I have learned. The new fluff with him is still terrible, but it isn't so much a retcon.

That's why Russ is the manliest. All the other famous wolves are just a mere impersonation of his character.

Most are also not manly.

(But if we're going with non-primarchs, Arjac. Rockfist. Winner)

Bjorn is manlier

I'm afraid you must be thinking of the DA primarch who has had *ahem* questionable interests. Love thy brother taken a bit far in DA?

Endeavor towards being less homophobic in future posts.

Also, the Wolves are far more lame than the Dark Angels. They are a chapter of big hairy men riding on bigger, hairier, naked men, after all.

Thunderwolves are Space Wolves.

Sorry, but I can't see Russ as the manliest man, because he is pretty much a boy. Or one without any kind of gut for anything outside of thuggery.

After the Heresy, when the Imperium is most shaky and in need of strong leadership, he just decides to up and head off into the Eye of Terror because...hunting? He just heads off and leaves those he was supposed to be protecting flapping in the wind because reasons. That's not manly.

Bjorn is more of a man for sticking it out.

Doomrider.

I`ve seen a lot of good suggestions here, but each appear to have its pros and cons.

Darnath Lysander is pretty much as hard-core as survivalists come: surviving being tortured by the Iron Warriors, escaping a fortress world of superhumans clad in nothing but the will to keep going and rejoining your original chapter only to be tortured by them too, just to see if you haven`t succumbed to chaos. Sigismund is also pretty beast (so is Grimaldus for that matter). Being charged to find the best the enemy has to offer and challenge those in single combat, then besting them all earns you some manly points. Leman Russ is the father of all Spehss Vikings (since when have Vikings not been manly, even in spehss). The problem that all these characters have is, as stated before, that they`re technically no longer human but rather genetically engineered to go beyond that classification. That and the fact that they usually consider themselves better than ordinary men because of it. Also, Russ should have known better than to think a man of drive and purpose like his *own* father would change his mind halfway through. Shouldn`t a real man know how to gauge people?

There really is only one space marine that can lay claim to the most-manly award. Arjac Rockfist. He disagreed with his superiors and smashes through a vault door to relieve his brother Iron Priests under siege from hordes of amphibious seamonsters. The last dozen of these priests he rescues stand with him to hold the line and when the relief-force shows up, they find Arjac has blocked the hole in the vault with his own body, fighting to near-death. He then gets promoted instantly to the personal champion of Logan Grimnar. Despite not being man, it takes special kind of manly to impress the Great Wolf to that degree. He also yearns to once be an Iron Priest again, so he`s not above those that he left for his duties. Have we mentioned he has a nice manly beard? Still: supahumehn spehss mehreen.

Kharn and Angron are just uncontrollably bloodcrazed. It`s as the Krogan say: if you can`t inspire your peers to fight at your flank then you should wander the wastes and die alone. Coercing them through fear of beign chopped to bits doesn`t count. DEWMRIDAH! also doesn`t count: snorting coke all day and raping whatever crosses your path is not manly in my book. No matter how well you wield an axe or that your head is on fire: still about as manly as Fulgrim getting hair extensions.

Sly Marbo is a special case. It takes a certain kind of awesome to become the one thing that Chuck Norris fears, especially when you`re only 28mm tall and your story is written by a bunch of nerds that are perpetually stuck in prepubescence and couldn`t write an anagram to save their lives. On the other hand: sneaking, using Poison!?! That`s something for angsty space a-holes that have no other purpose than harassing everyone just to prove how angsty they are.

Maugan Ra gets an honorable mention, just for showing that shiny space a-holes can be manly too. Just not the most manly.

Commisar Yarrick is a good contender. Impressing the most powerful Ork in the universe to such a degree that he lets you live just to be certain he`ll have another good scrap is just plain awesome.
(I like how everyone claims its such a bad thing for his manliness that Russ loses too, but give Yarrick points for that. Macdaddy Viking is not a complete Mary Sue, ergo he is a complete mary sue?)

Catachans like Ironhand Straken and Harper are badasses, but to impress stubborn insular people like Catachans into using new tactics takes mucho manliness: Commissar Greiss

In my mind its a tie between Ollanius Pius (for reasons that should be fething obvious) or St Celestine. There`s something extremely manly about a woman who does the things that make the men nervous to a point that she gets demoted, while not giving a damn herself and having a good time purging heretics. I won`t give a damn about concerns a prejudice and just proceed to rage righteously in the name of the Emperor

 TheLostDutchman wrote:
(I like how everyone claims its such a bad thing for his manliness that Russ loses too, but give Yarrick points for that. Macdaddy Viking is not a complete Mary Sue, ergo he is a complete mary sue?)

The inherent difference is one of humility. Russ is not humble at all, and Yarrick is not a boastful braggart. So when Russ gets knocked out by the Lion, or mauled by Angron, or made to look like a stupid moron by some random Daemon (After proclaiming how smart he is, perhaps even smarter than Magnus and his Thousand Sons of course). So Leman Russ ends up looking like a fool, aka not manly, whereas Yarrick ends up looking like a man who doesn't need to brag about his abilities. A man of few words, but those he does speak carry a great deal of weight, and when he acts, they turn the tide of entire battlefields.

Also, he cut an Ork Warboss' arm off and used it as a replacement for his own, and had his eye pulled out and replaced by a laser because Orks were telling tales of him killing people with a glance. Manly.

I'd vote Marbo, because he's Marbo.

I miss the Manliest Tank thread now...

TheKbob wrote:
Russ is the true boss of the 40K universe, the guy that'll buy you and your buds a round of beer, let you win an arm wrestling competition to impress your lass, and will even spot you a ride home; but fully expecting you to man up.

The Bro of 40k is Vulkan. C'mon, he's THE wingman, he would give you a ride wherever you want and so on. TOTAL. FUCKIN. BRO!

curran12 wrote:
After the Heresy, when the Imperium is most shaky and in need of strong leadership, he just decides to up and head off into the Eye of Terror because...hunting? He just heads off and leaves those he was supposed to be protecting flapping in the wind because reasons. That's not manly.

Yes and no. Yes, he should have remained with his Legion/Chapter and help the Imperium, but he also didn't go to the Hawaii. He went in the EoT and is hunting down every 1K Sons warband he find.

Void__Dragon wrote:
Also, he cut an Ork Warboss' arm off and used it as a replacement for his own, and had his eye pulled out and replaced by a laser because Orks were telling tales of him killing people with a glance. Manly.

And all of this while he was severly bleedin from his arm, with only ONE FUCKIN' HAND. Yeah, Yarrick is THAT manly.

Any Imperial Guardsmen. They are regular humans that face the enemies of man on the front lines. They are the manliest because they have to fight in the dirt and grindy trench lines. Facing horrors that can tear through tanks. Then there are Commissars that rally the men with courage and resolve. They are fighting for the people of humanity and the Emperor. none could wish for more.

 beigeknight wrote:
I'd vote Marbo, because he's Marbo.

I miss the Manliest Tank thread now...

I still look through it all the time... Stompa shoulda won.... failing that a CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TITAN with arm-mounted CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT Transport launcher with underslung marbo launcher

 Asherian Command wrote:
Any Imperial Then there are Commissars that rally the men with With bolt pistols pointed to their heads

*Fixed

 Void__Dragon wrote:

The inherent difference is one of humility. Russ is not humble at all, and Yarrick is not a boastful braggart. So when Russ gets knocked out by the Lion, or mauled by Angron, or made to look like a stupid moron by some random Daemon (After proclaiming how smart he is, perhaps even smarter than Magnus and his Thousand Sons of course). So Leman Russ ends up looking like a fool, aka not manly, whereas Yarrick ends up looking like a man who doesn't need to brag about his abilities. A man of few words, but those he does speak carry a great deal of weight, and when he acts, they turn the tide of entire battlefields.

Fair enough, although being a braggart no matter what is part of the whole being a space viking deal. It just bugs me that someone who is obviously flawed is considered a mary sue...still: less manlier than Yarrick. If he could convince Orks that he`s unkillable, there`s a stint with immortality in it for him.

Either Yarrick or Creed.
In my opinion, Space Marines take an immediate penalty for manliness because their gender is questionable. After all the fiddling with their organs, I'm unsure if they even qualify as human. And if you try and compare physical attributes they have a ridiculous advantage on account of power Armor and gene seed. Yarrick kills orks on account of shear manliness and badadsery, not some weird superhero juice being pumped onto him. Creed could probably out-do Tzeentch at trickery and cleverness.
Also, Creed has the most manly model in the game.

Hard to argue with Yarrick. Just the fact that this old guy hauls around an ork power klaw much less wield the thing is one thing, but to have the most renowned warboss show respect for a humie gives him major cred. Balls without brass, just doing his job.

 TheLostDutchman wrote:
Fair enough, although being a braggart no matter what is part of the whole being a space viking deal. It just bugs me that someone who is obviously flawed is considered a mary sue...still: less manlier than Yarrick. If he could convince Orks that he`s unkillable, there`s a stint with immortality in it for him.

Hm?

I don't consider Leman Russ a Mary Sue. His chapter, as a whole, tends to give off that impression at times, though.

Also, boisterous bruising is indeed a big part of being a Viking, but it looks signifigantly less manly when you talk a lot of gak to Angron's face about how much of a cool guy you are, then Angron punches your teeth out and dominates you in a physical battle, only for Leman Russ to be hauled up by his Marines, snot and tears dribbling down his chin, and piss down his leg, while screaming "Y-Y-Y-YOU MAY OF WON THIS BATTLE, BUT I WIN THE MORAL VICTORY! THESE SPACE WOLVES WITH BOLTERS COULD KILL YOU IF I WANTED THEM TO, YOU'RE SO LUCKY I'M NOT GONNA DO IT! ... takemehomeguysimscared. ._."

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 TheLostDutchman wrote:
Fair enough, although being a braggart no matter what is part of the whole being a space viking deal. It just bugs me that someone who is obviously flawed is considered a mary sue...still: less manlier than Yarrick. If he could convince Orks that he`s unkillable, there`s a stint with immortality in it for him.

Hm?

I don't consider Leman Russ a Mary Sue. His chapter, as a whole, tends to give off that impression at times, though.

Also, boisterous bruising is indeed a big part of being a Viking, but it looks signifigantly less manly when you talk a lot of gak to Angron's face about how much of a cool guy you are, then Angron punches your teeth out and dominates you in a physical battle, only for Leman Russ to be hauled up by his Marines, snot and tears dribbling down his chin, and piss down his leg, while screaming "Y-Y-Y-YOU MAY OF WON THIS BATTLE, BUT I WIN THE MORAL VICTORY! THESE SPACE WOLVES WITH BOLTERS COULD KILL YOU IF I WANTED THEM TO, YOU'RE SO LUCKY I'M NOT GONNA DO IT! ... takemehokeguysimscared. ._."

Hahaha totally agree with this. Angron really did kick his arse in that battle! Leman runs of like the little dog he is weeping about how he has claimed the "moral victory" when he prides himself on his savagery and then is kicked into the dirt. Who actually won the night of the wolf though? I mean World eaters killed more space wolves than they killed world eaters and Angron beat Russ in the dual but I'm still to sure...


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Also what actually killed Russ?

 Iranna wrote:
There's really no contest here. Lelith WILL take your lunch money, and take it hard.

Iranna.

This is actually a good point, if nothing else, Lelith certainly looks more like a man than anyone mentioned thus far.

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

Yes and no. Yes, he should have remained with his Legion/Chapter and help the Imperium, but he also didn't go to the Hawaii. He went in the EoT and is hunting down every 1K Sons warband he find.

Great, so he is pursuing a minor threat while bigger ones threaten the Imperium.

Vendetta chasing at the expense of Legion, Imperium and self is not manly. It's thuggish.

 curran12 wrote:

 PunkNeverDie110 wrote:

Yes and no. Yes, he should have remained with his Legion/Chapter and help the Imperium, but he also didn't go to the Hawaii. He went in the EoT and is hunting down every 1K Sons warband he find.

Great, so he is pursuing a minor threat while bigger ones threaten the Imperium.

Vendetta chasing at the expense of Legion, Imperium and self is not manly. It's thuggish.

Never said it's a good thing, minor or not, it's still a threat. And what we know, maybe something useful will pop up from this chasing around. Maybe he will return, along with Vulky and Corax, and say: "you know what, this imperium needs a good change".

But since our God GW decided to be stagnant... we'll never see anything.

The biggest thing I like about Russ is that he's not only a guy I'd want to be, but if I can't be him then at least he's a guy that I'd want to hang out with which is more than I can say for most of the other characters in the 40k universe.