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 Redemption wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
There is a reason why the Space Wolf Codex is the only one since 2010 without a flyer.

It was the last one written before they started giving everyone flyers...?

Actually, the Valkyrie/Vendetta inclusion in the IG codex predates the SW codex, but yeah, it was released at the start when the codexes had flyers or flying monstrous creatures included (then still fast skimmers and jump monstrous creatures of course). I wouldn't be surprised if they included some form of flyer in their next iteration of their codex, but on the other hand, I could see them becoming the flyer-less codex (relying solely on the Thunderhawk and Drop Pod as means of transportation) like Tyranids are the vehicle-less codex as a way to differentiate the different Marine armies.

They could have given SW the option to get a flyer with the flyer compendium book and the FAQ entries that followed.
C:SM got the stormraven that way after all.
I would not mind SW not having a flyer of their own, but they ought to have some kind of AA apart from Quad guns.

I'm not sure about that last picture, but weren't most of those old devastator concept arts?

 Fayric wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
There is a reason why the Space Wolf Codex is the only one since 2010 without a flyer.

It was the last one written before they started giving everyone flyers...?

Actually, the Valkyrie/Vendetta inclusion in the IG codex predates the SW codex, but yeah, it was released at the start when the codexes had flyers or flying monstrous creatures included (then still fast skimmers and jump monstrous creatures of course). I wouldn't be surprised if they included some form of flyer in their next iteration of their codex, but on the other hand, I could see them becoming the flyer-less codex (relying solely on the Thunderhawk and Drop Pod as means of transportation) like Tyranids are the vehicle-less codex as a way to differentiate the different Marine armies.

They could have given SW the option to get a flyer with the flyer compendium book and the FAQ entries that followed.
C:SM got the stormraven that way after all.

I would not mind SW not having a flyer of their own, but they ought to have some kind of AA apart from Quad guns.

Yet the Space Wolves have options for a flying ace in that same book. That tells me a flyer is planned/already done for them, but not released yet.

 ph34r wrote:
I'm not sure about that last picture, but weren't most of those old devastator concept arts?

They were. Deemed "too 'out there' even for 40k" by Jes and/or Juan Diaz. Oh how times change!

I remember those concepts. If that is what we are getting then i consider we got off lucky. At the time i thought they were plans towards a new type of armour for marines anyway.

Figured someone had been watching Iron Man recently.....

 insaniak wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

Space Wolves do jump packs, bro...
that's what Sky Claws are for...

Only while they are young and foolish. Note that there is no option for jump packing Grey Hunters...

which is why i specified Sky Claws, Blood Claws with jump packs...
a young Space Wolves Marine is still a SW Marine, thus the Space Wolves do use jump packs...

i could see a Blood Claw piloting the Chibi Hawk...
a fast little flyer like that could be just as much fun to zip around in as a bike or jump pack...

anyway, i'm looking forward to seeing if the rumor of a new Tac. Squad, characters, and a dual Vet. kit, pan out...
i would snatch all of those up...

cheers
jah

 Fayric wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
There is a reason why the Space Wolf Codex is the only one since 2010 without a flyer.

It was the last one written before they started giving everyone flyers...?

Actually, the Valkyrie/Vendetta inclusion in the IG codex predates the SW codex, but yeah, it was released at the start when the codexes had flyers or flying monstrous creatures included (then still fast skimmers and jump monstrous creatures of course). I wouldn't be surprised if they included some form of flyer in their next iteration of their codex, but on the other hand, I could see them becoming the flyer-less codex (relying solely on the Thunderhawk and Drop Pod as means of transportation) like Tyranids are the vehicle-less codex as a way to differentiate the different Marine armies.

They could have given SW the option to get a flyer with the flyer compendium book and the FAQ entries that followed.
C:SM got the stormraven that way after all.
I would not mind SW not having a flyer of their own, but they ought to have some kind of AA apart from Quad guns.

And in keeping with *sarcasm* All space wolves players spamming long fangs, their AA will be free Flakk missiles so you can keep the spam */sarcasm*

Black Templar cover? Interesting.

This leads me to believe that ether the Black Templar's will be rolled into codex space marines with their one character altering the options for other units in the codex, with a possible expansion with their special Chaplin and artifacts.

If this is true.

Imposter101 wrote:
Black Templar cover? Interesting.

This leads me to believe that ether the Black Templar's will be rolled into codex space marines with their one character altering the options for other units in the codex, with a possible expansion with their special Chaplin and artifacts.

If this is true.

Eh, probably lip service to keep you guys satisfied until a supplement/codex release. If they weren't going to be a separate army, then they wouldn't' have their own allies chart section, and the GW people have said they aren't discontinuing any of their existing product lines. Someone already said this earlier, but you guys seem too scared of the BT cover to realize you'll still be different.

I'd personally like to see some blood ravens airtime, since they brought GW more players (including me), and plenty of royalties from Relic, why wouldn't they keep this chapter relevant. Besides, post Retribution we don't know their fate, other than Gabe Angelos is Chapter Master

Am I the only one who thinks the new armor type sounds like loyalist obliterators? Could be cool, and could be good conversion fodder for the less chaosy Chaos marines.

I am hoping that IF the major chapters do get special rules, they will not require a special character to unlock. I have Imperial Fists with an allied detachment of Black Templars. I don't want to have to take Lysander every game, let alone him AND Helbrecht.

For the same reason, I would like to have a Black Templars supplement, but a "Sons of Dorn" supplement (covering Fists, other Fists and Templars) would be even better.

Davor wrote:


So would this be a BT supplement then? This I can see if true, anger alot of BT players, making them by 2 books to play their army they so love.

Getting rolled into the C: SM and having a supplemental codex to add on as needed/wanted is perfectly fine with me. Regular updates and all of that.

 Fayric wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Ultras we're rumoured to get a supplement at one point and Iyanden we're still in the Eldar book proper..

The rumor say you get tactical traits depending on what chapter you run, and that, besides fluf, is basicly what a supplement offer.
Iyanden was represented in the eldar codex by half a page worth of fluff, iirc (as all other main craftworlds.

A supplement could offer much more than just tactical traits. After all, the crux of Iyanden was already represented in the main codex (WG as troops), but they added some interesting bits and some FOC shenanigans. Same for the tau supplement. I'd expect the same with the C:SM supplements.

I do hope they continue to base chapter tactics off of your HQ choice. However I hope that unnamed HQ Choices like regular captains and Librarians allow you to have your pick. I also hope they do not get rid of mounted assault for a vanilla SM Captain as I just put together a bike list.

Will the different chapter books have special rules for that chapter or will the art just be different I wonder.

Oh, will be just the art I'm sure, otherwise you're effectively producing half a dozen different books with the associated increase in production.

As LEs, they will just be different cover art.

Which is why I'm baffled by people saying they'll pay any money for chapter X on the cover...

 Tyr Grimtooth wrote:
I just don't get the drama over the Black Templars.

You are a successor that never should have gotten a supplement in the first place and always should have just been a few pages in the SM codex. Flesh Tearers don't have a standalone codex and aren't crying for one. Neither are DA and their vast number of unforgiven successors. Hell, if the Wolf Brothers had not been disbanded, they wouldn't rate a standalone or supplement either. Hopefully BT get rolled rightly into the SM codex and balance is restored.

Hold me back fellas hold me back.

sockwithaticket wrote:
Which is why I'm baffled by people saying they'll pay any money for chapter X on the cover...

Really?

People like to have things that are different to other people, people also like to declare their allegiance to specific things by having merchandise with their team/faction/whatever on it.

This combines both of those things.

It's not that hard to understand (and I doubt they'd pay any price, but are exaggerating for effect)

I wonder how much the tactical box is going to go up in price over the current one. I'm pretty sure the sternguard are going to be the same price per model as the other 5 man plastic elite boxes like BA Sanguinary Guard, Dire Avengers and the two Necron plastic elite boxes. The space marine within a space marine kit will probably be sizable and be something like the Bloodcrushers or the Tau Crisis suits.

I'd pay a lot (relative to standard) for Imperial Fists on the cover of a L.E. dex. I got into 40K on the Imperial Fists and have always promised myself I'd return and do them justice one day. This may be my time.

 frozenwastes wrote:
I wonder how much the tactical box is going to go up in price over the current one. I'm pretty sure the sternguard are going to be the same price per model as the other 5 man plastic elite boxes like BA Sanguinary Guard, Dire Avengers and the two Necron plastic elite boxes. The space marine within a space marine kit will probably be sizable and be something like the Bloodcrushers or the Tau Crisis suits.

I'd guess we are looking at an increase from £23 to £30 for a 10 man box, going to a 5 man box doesn't quite feel right.

Plus when Templars get some love, we are probably going to be forking out 50 quid for a squad of crusaders.

 azreal13 wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:
Which is why I'm baffled by people saying they'll pay any money for chapter X on the cover...

Really?

People like to have things that are different to other people, people also like to declare their allegiance to specific things by having merchandise with their team/faction/whatever on it.

This combines both of those things.

It's not that hard to understand (and I doubt they'd pay any price, but are exaggerating for effect)

I know they like those things, I just can't get my head around the extra amount of cash people are prepared to fork out for it. Codices are already at an eye-watering price point, the additional cost incurred for having a different cover (which is simply one page) makes them outright unjustifiable to me. But that's the crux of it, everyone's got their own opinion on value and can do with their money as they please. However, I can't say I'll ever be able to fully comprehend the reasoning.

Not sure if anyone has said this. Maybe the concept art will be new devastators. It would fit that a dedicated Hvy wpn squad would have some sort of gear beyond a standard tactical marine.

 azreal13 wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:
Which is why I'm baffled by people saying they'll pay any money for chapter X on the cover...

Really?

People like to have things that are different to other people, people also like to declare their allegiance to specific things by having merchandise with their team/faction/whatever on it.

This combines both of those things.

It's not that hard to understand (and I doubt they'd pay any price, but are exaggerating for effect)

Some people complain they have to pay for codex and supplement, others are willing to pay just as much money just to get custom cover art
I admit I thought no one would ever pay that much for a LE fancy cover, but they apparently sell.
Hard to complain about GW prices when you are willing to double the cost for nothing more than a special cover.
I dont blame anyone that get a LE codex though, and I make enough money not to be bothered about GW prices.
(although, I really wanted a Tzeench daemon codex untill I saw the price tag...)

BrotherVord wrote:
Wouldn't think confirm that black Templars are being rolled into c:sm? Or is that old news?

Sad if that's the case, everything else sounds nice though

Not entirely bad. This rumour does state that each chapter gets a big portion of the book to themselves. BT may be a supplement that is slated to release just at the SM codex does, or it may be rolled into the new codex. I expect this codex to be massive.

If they end up rolling ALL space marines into the same codex, even those who currently have separate codices, that would be interesting. Honestly, they all aren't that different, but they each to have separate rules and units, which could be defined in that large section. This isn't going to be a codex, this is going to be a freakin' huge tome of all things SM.

sockwithaticket wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

sockwithaticket wrote:
Which is why I'm baffled by people saying they'll pay any money for chapter X on the cover...

Really?

People like to have things that are different to other people, people also like to declare their allegiance to specific things by having merchandise with their team/faction/whatever on it.

This combines both of those things.

It's not that hard to understand (and I doubt they'd pay any price, but are exaggerating for effect)

I know they like those things, I just can't get my head around the extra amount of cash people are prepared to fork out for it. Codices are already at an eye-watering price point, the additional cost incurred for having a different cover (which is simply one page) makes them outright unjustifiable to me. But that's the crux of it, everyone's got their own opinion on value and can do with their money as they please. However, I can't say I'll ever be able to fully comprehend the reasoning.

Absolutely. I would dearly love the Raven Guard version, and right now I'm convinced I will get it. However, when I am faced with the actual prospect of spending over £50 on a book, I'm not sure I will be able to go through with it. At least this may be a more substantial tome than some of the others so far, which may take the edge off.

There are people with waay more money than me though, he won't even blink at spending it (while massively overpriced, in terms of actual money it isn't actually a lot to anyone working a half decent job unless they have a large family or mortgage to support)

We'll see whats what in a couple of weeks but will the wait be worth it? As to the rumors my daemons like the sound of grav guns as we have no armour so I wonder how that'll work.
Agh questions questions but no answers.


YET!

 azreal13 wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
I wonder how much the tactical box is going to go up in price over the current one. I'm pretty sure the sternguard are going to be the same price per model as the other 5 man plastic elite boxes like BA Sanguinary Guard, Dire Avengers and the two Necron plastic elite boxes. The space marine within a space marine kit will probably be sizable and be something like the Bloodcrushers or the Tau Crisis suits.

I'd guess we are looking at an increase from £23 to £30 for a 10 man box, going to a 5 man box doesn't quite feel right.

Tripling in price since their release 15 years ago. Had to happen sometime.