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Thinking of trying this out at my next op event in a couple of weeks:

I.K.S Negh'var
Nu'daq
Kerla

Negh'var class
Koloth
Once more into the breach

I.K.S Kronos one
Gowron

What do you guys make of that?
Would Gowron's extra attack buff effect once more into the breach?

Just found out I can make it to an OP3 event and am now in a quandry about which list to take

Both lists are the same except for one ship

IRW Valdore w/Capt Valdore
Science Vessel w/Donatra and Cloaked Mines
Science Vessel w/Rom Capt and Cloaked Mines

Then Either

Valdore Class w/Cpt Toreth

or

IRW Khazara w/Cpt Mirok

Both Lists run in at 99pts one would be more defensive the other more offensive.

So, I attended at my OP3 tournament last night. I could only make one of the nights for OP3 and took a 2 ship Engage Build. I got 6 pts total and the person who won the tournament got 8pts. All of my points were from the 2 pts for wiping out the opposing player.

Things I learned:

1. The two ship Engage build is great. While it creates point redundancies, I should have swapped out the Red Shirt for Sulu on the Enterprise D. I wouldn't have used him every turn, but it would have saved the Enterprise from a few hairy situations. Engage on the Enterprise D completely messes with the Opponent's strategy, and allows you to get almost anywhere on the board in two turns. Watch as your opponent smiles as you move into his arc, and then gets dejected as you YET AGAIN blow past him to get unreturned shots on his ships. The Antimatter mines hitting two ships are fantastic and really turned games right around.

2. The Valdore, while awesome, is not the amazing second ship in an Engage Build. I have yet to find that ship.

3. I may be moving to a modified Engage Build, keeping the Enterprise D, but going with two smaller ships in later tournaments.

4. Ignoring the planet was not the best strategy, but it made wiping out the opponent easier.

In OP4, I think I'm going to shake it up and bring something a bit more aggressive. With the Sons of Mogh coming out, I may go to a 4 ship LE Martok Build.

For your 4 ship build try 2 k'vort class, 2 b'rel class, martok, worf and gowron.

I'm not going to have access to two B'rel's... first world problems!

I'm posting up an article today about running the Vo with three other klingon ships, and using the Vo to toss out EM Pulses at skill 1. Could be something neat.

Ferengi or cardassian? You could save some points and take a science vessel with a generic captain or sar and get just about the same effect.

Ferengi. It would be a Vo with generic Captain and the 5pt EMPulse. With the Vo you'd get 7 defense dice and an evade, AND you'd get to EMpulse before most other ships move. It would be really hard to bring down as well.

What about the Valdore did not make it a good 2nd Engage ship? I don't see many better dials regarding green movement.

You know what, it probably wasn't the Valdore's fault. I agree with you that the dial is pretty great. It actually was able to survive a long time. I'm thinking that something with a rear arc that could get another Antimatter Mine down may be the best way to go, but I'm not fully on board with that option yet.

An Excelsior with Dukat, Transwarp Drive, Engage and Antimatter mines may be a better way to go... I'm thinking that in any of these two ship builds going forward I want Picard and Dukat.


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Something like this...

Enterprise D 45pts
Picard
Engage
Spock (I also saw Scotty in this slot, which gave the Enterprise 5 attacks at 360 degrees, and did that every turn. Engage and Scotty may be pretty awesome).
Uhura

Valdore 30pts
Dukat 6
Engage 4

That's 85pts. You could toss Antimatter Mines on the Enterprise D, and then take a Reinforcements with Quantum Torpedoes, Sulu, and other upgrades. What do you guys think? Is there a better second ship for this build?


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I did use Command Tokens, which I thought were pretty good, but not amazing. They saved the Valdore from Barrage of Fire LIKE A BOSS though.

Edit: Nevermind. Re-read Dukat. For some reason I thought he gave a Scan. But the Battlestations is nice.

I have the feeling that Dukat is going to be nuts on a Neg'Var or the Valdore. Access to Battlestations on either of those ships is fantastic.


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Okay, from my understanding, every ship can use the Reinforcement Sideboard every turn, in place of their action. The theory behind the below is that you you use the Sideboard to equip in upgrades on the first turn, pursuant to Sideboard rule 2(a).

Here it is, 110 pt Klingon Attack Sideboard Build.

Neg'Var 28
Klingon Captain 0
Drex 4

Vor'Cha 26
Gowron 4

Ch'Tang 22
Donatra 5

Reinforcements
Captain- Martok 5
Crew-Synon 5
Tech- Advanced Weapon System 5
Weapon- Photon Torpedoes 5

I'm a bit iffy on whether I'd take Synon. I really like Sensor Echo at 3.

First turn, equip Martok on the Negvar, Photons on the Ch'Tang and Advanced Weapon System on the Vorcha. You've got a 105 pt list ready to go. Then you move forward again slowly, equip synon where appropriate and then on the next turns, race towards the opponent with 110pts of full Klingon death.

Thoughts?

You can only access the Reinforcements Sideboard once a turn.

Is that a FAQ ruling? I haven't reviewed the FAQ rules on the Sideboard.

It would still end up working if you took straight 1s for the first few turns.


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I see it in there. So you need three turns before going live. In OP4 I don't see that being much of a problem.

Where are the rules on the sideboard? I'm not seeing it in the rulebook.

it's the OP3 participation prize.

My OP4 Sideboard option is:

Negh'Var Class
Generic Captain
28 pts

Vor'cha Class
Donatra
31 pts

Vor'cha Class
Gowron
30 pts

Sideboard:
LE Martok
Defense Condition One
Barrage of Fire
Konmel

The nice thing about the Barrage of Fire on the Sideboard is I can wait until the turn I use it to place it on a ship. Its almost like a shell game...

For my Engage Build, I'm looking at something like this;

Enterprise D 28 (48)
Picard 6
Engage 3
Spock 5
Uhura 3
Sulu 3


Valdore 47
Toreth 4
Engage 4
Tactical Officer 3
Synon 6

Command Tokens 5

I like Synon on the Valdore (If you're facing down three ships to one, why not just get out of the way and live to fight another day? Maybe lose two of the ships), and there were a few instances where Sulu would have saved the Enterprise from a few hairy situations- situations where Engage won't get you out of a tight spot and you've used up your Uhura.

If you have the OP3 kit, I would recommend using the Romulan Pilot on the Valdore. You can make a normal move, use him once to make a green move, and then engage to make another green move. But it only works one time.

I did not get the OP3 kit, unfortunately. Since wave 2 will be out, i'm deciding between running Klingons and Engage. The big decision with Klingons is whether to Sideboard or Command Tokens. I like the Sideboard because I can sub in Quantums onto the Ch'Tang for rear fire arcs and advanced weapon systems onto LE Martok's ship. The rest of the subs aren't so great. If I just went with Command Tokens, I could stick with a basic build and toss Alexander onto Martok's ship and take Advanced Weapon System.

So, does anyone think it's worth it to buy 3 Excelsior kits?

I plan on getting 2, but if you want to run a 3 ship fleet and put transwarp drive on all of them why not.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
I plan on getting 2, but if you want to run a 3 ship fleet and put transwarp drive on all of them why not.

Were the previous sculpts of the Excelsior any good? The model quality may affect me buying it, lol.

I don't know on that one I never got around to buying the heroclix excelsior. Looking at the preview it looks good to me.

Tried out my Engage Build yet again in OP4 tests. Im finding that it's best to avoid the planet and take the 10pts. My opponent can muck around with the planet if they want, I'll just focus on blowing things up good. I was originally deploying the two ships together, but am going to be putting one on the extreme left and another on the extreme right, and wait for the opponent to commit to one side over the other. The Antimatter mines wreck face, and I'm going to sub in Dukat on the Valdore, but I'll have to take out the Tactical Officer- not too upset about that given I didn't do too much target locking the other night.

-Gordash
I am not 100 percent sold on the tactical officer. Dukot is nice but if you are going to take a valdor why not toreth?

Just back managed to squeak a win out in my op 3 event with my faithful Romulans (even after losing the first game).

List was

IRW Valdore w/Valdore and tac officer
Valdore Class w/Mirok
Science Vessel w/Donatra and cloaked mines
Science Vessel w/Romulan and cloaked mines

First game faced a guy with a 3 ship fed build (ent d; defiant; and reliant) he played a very tactical cagey game and we went to time with him taking out my Valdore and me his reliant getting him the win but very few fleet points.

Second game was against a 3 ship Klingon build 2 D7 and a K'tinga with every upgrade you can think of flown by a guy on his 3rd game of attack wing ever. I won this one 112 to 0 and captured the planet.

Last game was Klingons again C'tang w/ barrage of fire; Neghvar w/Martok 9 and Ma'tah w/ Donatra. I quickly lost the ground war but managed to put up both cloaked mines either side of the planet. His only two mistakes were passing Martoks firing option when out of range for the barrage of fire and trying to power through the mines. It was a good match but Valdore was relentless and took out all three whilst I only lost Donatra in her science vessel 6 defence dice and not a single evade.

Got the win down to fleet points. Looking forward to next event.

Baldrick- I'm also not sold on the Tactical officer. After more testing, I'd probably drop him. Dukat's battlestations are just so good. Would you not rather have battlestations than one crit per turn?

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Baldrick- I'm also not sold on the Tactical officer. After more testing, I'd probably drop him. Dukat's battlestations are just so good. Would you not rather have battlestations than one crit per turn?

I see the benefit, but Dukat is going to cost 2 points more so it depends on how pressed I was for points.

So, which one is better in a vacuum, Martok *8 or Martok *9?

Other factors? Martok 8 is good to accompany torpedo boats (Ktinga with Kronos One Torps commanded by Nu'daq - NICE)

But I wanna know before I commit to LE Martok.

I'd be dropping Tactical Officer, so I'd be ahead by one point.

To Plaguelord- It depends on the list. I'd need to see your list before I could tell whether it needed Martok 8 or Martok 9.