How effective would a marine be...

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**Ashiraya**

Vaktathi wrote:
As I said, human/non-astartes.

There's some truly absurd things you can make happen with RPG rules.

Agreed. Just look at it.

Bobthehero wrote:
Or my friend heavy weapon guy who took out a Deff Dredd in a single volley.

Or for that matter, the stormtrooper that I play who can take out a NPC Space Marine in one burst. Or a Nob. In fact I can out damage a heavy bolter on a shot per shot basis if I roll half decently on my BS roll. Also makes most people unable to dodge my shots. Good times.

**Bobthehero**

Pew pew pew pew pew

Admitedly those are pretty powerbuilt, we have a tank ace that struggle to kill a boy with a burst of hellgun fire.

**Harukae**

kitch102 wrote:
Without his armour, and black carapace etc.

Essentially, strip him down to his boxer shorts, leave all the organs there, how effective would he be without the technology behind him? Could he function or is the black carapace as vital to his function as his own skin?

I'm a little light on info here and was just curious!

Basically I wondered if a marine was captured, sent to Commoragh and stripped of everything he externally had, could he still walk around and kick arse? I don't doubt that he'd still be man+, though am curious about how vital those components are in his ability to, for instance, arm wrestle (just to give a simple.example)

Thanks!

The black carapace is one of the 19 additional organs that each marine is implanted with. The carapace is the bio-interface for the power armour, but once it is implanted then there is no removing it without killing the marine. One of the Salamander novels actually has them on Commoragh after their power armour has been so damaged that it is more of a handicap then it is a benefit and they still kill a ton of Dark Eldar.

Simply put, they are just as deadly without it, but the power armour makes them be able to survive almost anything.