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They handed the Tory's a massive artillery shell to blast a huge hole in labours hull.

Corbyn has been forced to defend himself, back track whilst a even weak Tory giv is not taking flak, there weak yet Labour is in such as shasmbles right now they cannot land a blow on even a weakened government.

I still believe Corbyn is a good man and I agree with his beliefs and policies on the main.

But man, this whole thing has me questioning whether the Labour party as an organization should really have it's hands on power. Between idiots on the left of the party making braindead, tonedeaf statements and dead eyed careerists on the right sharpening their daggers and piling in to damage their leader right before an election...

Maybe as an "anyone but the Tories" option. I mean the Tories are just a lot worse for anyone who believes in social equity.

For me, I'd rather vote for anyone but the traditional 3 parties (Labour, Lib Dems and Tories).

It's funny how stating something utterly non-racist is anti-semetic. It goes to show who you can't criticize

 Soteks Prophet wrote:
It's funny how stating something utterly non-racist is anti-semetic. It goes to show who you can't criticize

ny,

It's funny, Diane Abbott kept saying anti-Semetic this morning, too! She certainly has an emetic effect on me

Saying Hitler supported Zionism was never going to go down well in terms of defusing this issue. I had time for Ken once - but he is an out-of-touch verbally-incontinent egomaniac and should go back in his bunker.

I am a Londoner, and Ken's actions will probably help that race-baiter Zac Goldsmith (whose latest propaganda sets Sadiq Khan against pix of the 7/7 bombing) get elected.

 Da Boss wrote:
ts and dead eyed careerists on the right sharpening their daggers and piling in to damage their leader right before an election...

Maybe as an "anyone but the Tories" option. I mean the Tories are just a lot worse for anyone who believes in social equity.

I won't be voting for the Tories come next election, but I certainly won't be voting Labour as things stand. I'd rather have a functional Tory Government at the end of the day, than a party with no idea what it's doing in power that can't work together and has no coherent policy or direction. At least you know what you're getting with the Conservatives, y'know?

With Labour, it all comes down at the moment to the next batch of council elections and the NEC. Despite all the headlines about the Tory war over Europe, the real civil war in British politics at the moment is between the Hard Left and the Parliamentary sections of the Labour party. Livingstone was the latest casualty, but he's far from being the last I'd wager.

I'm keeping a close eye on Tom Watson at the moment. Corbyn is a political pussycat compared to him, and I suspect that even if the Hard Left wins control, Watson will be launching a coup shortly afterwards. And frankly? I think the Labour party would be the better for it. He's the Vice President of the 'Friends of Israel' group (cutting out the whole anti-semitism taint), he resigned his ministerial post under the last Labour Government after calling for Blair to resign in 2006 (gives him distance from the previous administration whilst retaining actual government experience), he's a bit of a computer nerd (helps to link with a younger generation), and he has strong trade union links to keep them in order. He's an ex-marketing bloke as well, which means he has a certain amount of savvy Corbyn is lacking when it comes to the press.

Unfortunately, he's a bit of a knee-jerk populist when it comes to his opinions/policies (which has landed him in the mud a few times), but frankly, that might wash well with the parliamentary aspect of the labour party, as it means he's not set in his ways/opinions like Corbyn. He's shown several times in the past that he's not above getting dirty and ruthless, but that's not always a bad aspect in a politician, so long as they can know when it's appropriate and when it isn't.

I don't think I'd vote for him, he's a bit too dishonest for me. But if the Labour Party wants to function as a cohesive force, I can't think of anyone else capable of it right now.

Since the Tories have shown themselves to be the most dishonest, self-serving, thieving and arrogant oligarchy of toffs.... and Labour are having issues with ridiculous levels of ideology.


Could this see the return of the Liberals from their post-WW1 decline?

Or maybe I'll just vote SNP / Green because I absolutely detest the incompetents who have been in power so far.

The lib dems should be able to capitalise on this, but I don't think they will. Unfortunately too many of their supporters are still angry at them for the coalition. The lib dems failed to communicate the limits of what is possible for a minority party in a coalition. For some reason people are angry at them for things like not keeping all their manifesto pledges, ignoring the fact of how much they reined in the more extrem parts of the Toryies that we have seen over the past few years. What they need to be doing is shouting about how they limited the damage of the Toryies and landing blows on two parties that are in disarray and leaning further and further to the left and right. Unfortunately what they are doing is still hiding and licking their wounds.

The Lib Dems don't appear to have any credible personality to front whatever message they want to focus on (or rather, want the media to focus on).

 Talizvar wrote:
I always figured racism is an excuse for a lazy mind.

That is...utterly brilliant.

Well, he did a short interview on Sky news this morning. And just went off on one about "Hitler and the Jews". He wasn't even prompted, was talking about “embittered old Blairites” and “far right Labour MPs" and just suddenly went full Hitler. Blokes got a bloody tourettes tic:

"How you doing today Ken?"
"I'm fine thanks. So was Hitler on days like this..."

This is like one big Godwin's law playing out to the max.

I must admit I have not paid much attention to this since our closer neighbors have some scary individual called Donald Trump pretty much the Republican leader which may sink them as a party for years to come.

If this guy becomes president... ummm... nevermind, I would rather not think about it.

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, he did a short interview on Sky news this morning. And just went off on one about "Hitler and the Jews". He wasn't even prompted, was talking about “embittered old Blairites” and “far right Labour MPs" and just suddenly went full Hitler. Blokes got a bloody tourettes tic:

Far Right Labour MP's??? I mean, I know they have a lot of Far Left members but Far Right?

"How you doing today Ken?"
"I'm fine thanks. So was Hitler on days like this..."

Thats a joke right? Please tell me he didn't actually say that.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, he did a short interview on Sky news this morning. And just went off on one about "Hitler and the Jews". He wasn't even prompted, was talking about “embittered old Blairites” and “far right Labour MPs" and just suddenly went full Hitler. Blokes got a bloody tourettes tic:

Far Right Labour MP's??? I mean, I know they have a lot of Far Left members but Far Right?

"How you doing today Ken?"
"I'm fine thanks. So was Hitler on days like this..."

Thats a joke right? Please tell me he didn't actually say that.

You can breathe.

He did brand the creation of Israel a catastrophe though.

And in the same breath as saying his comments may make things tight in the local elections went onto reiterate his previous claims.

Cameron and Gideon can literally murder and eat babies whilst the media focuses in on Livingstone. I reckon he'll properly break at some point.