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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?

Just as long as the kit can do "clean" Death Guard (as clean as Plague Marines can get, that is) and the super-mutated/possessed/Chosen Death Guard then that's fine. Everybody wins... unless the box has 5 models, in which case we mostly lose.

Well Tzeentch's holy number is 9 right? But Thousand Sons got 10 in the box.

I hope there are options for less mutated. Maybe they would do a combo box of seven?

If people are so set on the clean Nurgle look there has been a FW plague marine conversion kit for years, kit bash that with the prospero or Calth marines and they look pretty damn good it's what Iv done with my chosen and havocs who look even better with some FW weapon sets
I'm quite happy GW went with the dirty mutated look for the deathguard marines as it suits them pretty damn well since they were the first plague marines,
I wonder how much the plague zombies will cost hopefully they are dirt cheap (cheaper than cultists) so they can be easily spammed as cannon fodder

 SickSix wrote:
Well Tzeentch's holy number is 9 right? But Thousand Sons got 10 in the box.

Is that a good comparison?

You can do a squad of 9 straight from the 1KSons box. A box of 5 Death Guard would prevent you from doing a 7-man squad. Do you see how this is the complete opposite?

 plagueknight wrote:
If people are so set on the clean Nurgle look there has been a FW plague marine conversion kit for years, kit bash that with the prospero or Calth marines and they look pretty damn good it's what Iv done with my chosen and havocs who look even better with some FW weapon sets

And how long d'ya reckon they'll stick around once the Deathguard kit comes out?

My fear isn't heavily mutated Death Guard. My fear is the Fanderlisation of the Death Guard.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Well Tzeentch's holy number is 9 right? But Thousand Sons got 10 in the box.

Is that a good comparison?

You can do a squad of 9 straight from the 1KSons box. A box of 5 Death Guard would prevent you from doing a 7-man squad. Do you see how this is the complete opposite?

 plagueknight wrote:
If people are so set on the clean Nurgle look there has been a FW plague marine conversion kit for years, kit bash that with the prospero or Calth marines and they look pretty damn good it's what Iv done with my chosen and havocs who look even better with some FW weapon sets

And how long d'ya reckon they'll stick around once the Deathguard kit comes out?

My fear isn't heavily mutated Death Guard. My fear is the Fanderlisation of the Death Guard.

Probably not long once the new kit hits but we have no idea when that will be likewise with 8th it's coming but when which is why Iv already ordered a few more of the kits now to avoid disappointment when they get discontinued with recasters being the only source

I'm literally an idiot but want do you mean by fanderlisation of the death guard????? a bit hard to understand

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And how long d'ya reckon they'll stick around once the Deathguard kit comes out?

My fear isn't heavily mutated Death Guard. My fear is the Fanderlisation of the Death Guard.

Oh I think the FW kit will be around a while, considering that FW are still selling Cataphractii and Tartaros terminator kits while there are (vastly superior, IMO, and cheaper) plastic kits available
they're still selling MK3 and Mk4 marines after the plastic ones came out. It's been quite a while since FW pulled a kit because GW had a plastic version out

and that's for kits that are very similar, the FW Death Guard upgrade kit looks completely different to these models - none of the teasers show the traditional DG pickelhaube-style helmet anywhere, much less any indication that you'll be able to have whole squads of them, so the FW kit still has a niche to fill.

Of course, FW could pull the kit regardless, just like they could pull any kit, at any time, for any reason, I just don't think there's sufficient cause to consider it likely.

As far as flanderisation (I assume that's what you meant), I don't see how that applies, what small aspect of the DG do you fear becoming exaggerated to the point that it overtakes other aspects of the legion?

When the new sets come out, we will have SO many options for creating our forces, everyone can have their cake and eat it.
- The new kits, however many there are
- The new Mk3 marines, which make perfectly good Death Guard as-is
- Chaos Space Marines, which almost all of us have slapped some GS on to make Plague Marines
- Current Plague Marines - One of my least favourite Plague Marine kits, but if you like your DG to be mutated, this is a great kit. Bit hard to find at the moment, and I concede this particular kit is likely to be removed
- Forgeworld's Death Guard Legion Upgrade Set - perfect for those of us who like our DG a bit less mutated but still distinct. It's expensive, but IMO worth it (cheaper if you get the whole tactical squad for £90, you're effectively getting the plastics for £2, but you're stuck with Mk4 armour - perhaps FW will do a bundle with Iron armour at some point?)
- the Death Guard conversion set - personally one of my faves, I have so many of this set. As someone who's not a huge fan of mutation, I tend to leave out the champion

Look at all those kits, all those parts, all those potential configurations of parts and tell me that we need to worry about DG being dragged towards either the "too mutated" or "Too clean" routes, Whichever one you want, we have a huge range of options (and this is just official FW/GW kits, no 3rd parties) so everyone can model their army their own way.

If the new kits are not to your liking, don't use them, or only use the bits you like, or convert them into something you do like - the same options that have been available with every model anyone has ever produced, and ever will, for the rest of time.

I'm so happy...I've been fighting the long war since 09. But...Never in my life, have I been so unprepared for a model launch.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?

There's a difference between being bloated, with innards spilling out, boils and exposed wounds (such as with the FW upgrade kits) and comically sharp toothed random mouths, random horns everywhere and rat tail tentacles.

One's a very specific, thematic type of mutation that meshes very well with the Death Guard's whole aesthetic. The other is just random and pointless.

I have to disagree with that. The random horn are something that's on his Plague Bearers as well, and most nurgle daemons possess such as well and it's always been listed as a very common mutation for those of Nurgle's followers. The teeth is likely just to represent the whole "Cheerful plaguemasters" aesthetic.. The rat tail tentacles may be the least common of the three however, and is one I'm uncertain of.

Charax wrote:
Oh I think the FW kit will be around a while, considering that FW are still selling Cataphractii and Tartaros terminator kits while there are (vastly superior, IMO, and cheaper) plastic kits available they're still selling MK3 and Mk4 marines after the plastic ones came out. It's been quite a while since FW pulled a kit because GW had a plastic version out

That's a good point actually. Hadn't considered that.

Charax wrote:
- Current Plague Marines - One of my least favourite Plague Marine kits, but if you like your DG to be mutated, this is a great kit. Bit hard to find at the moment, and I concede this particular kit is likely to be removed

Yeah this one'll be replaced. I've got a couple of these boxes. It's odd to buy what are essentially metal Bolter Marines, but I liked the kit.

Charax wrote:
- Forgeworld's Death Guard Legion Upgrade Set - perfect for those of us who like our DG a bit less mutated but still distinct. It's expensive, but IMO worth it (cheaper if you get the whole tactical squad for £90, you're effectively getting the plastics for £2, but you're stuck with Mk4 armour - perhaps FW will do a bundle with Iron armour at some point?)

Now they're very cool, but I sold my 30K soul to the World Eaters.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
The other is just random and pointless.

wait were you trying to define chaos there?



in all seriousness, I understand what you mean - although I think the real distinction here is between more or less cartoonish (see also FW Roboute versus 40k Roboute)

stewe128 wrote:
If ya look closely on one of the photos there's the handles for some nurgle biker action. Oooooooo

I was intrigued by that but looking closer to two picture you can clearly see it is one of the marines on foot bearing an axe or something (an encenser of pest maybe ?)





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 Darth Bob wrote:
I'm hoping this means we get a big Slaanesh release soon; hopefully with plastic Noise Marines and a fabulous, snaky Fulgrim. Tzeentch was treated very well recently after years of being shafted by Nurgle and Khorne. Slaanesh has gotten the shaft more so since I don't think there's been any new models since the daemonic combine harvester.

well it is quite the logical thing. I hope they will release at last a nice keeper of secret

For anyone looking for a different aesthetic, Spellcrow do an excellent range of "Plague Knights," I picked up a set of them and was very pleased. http://www.spellcrow.com/plague-legions-c-9_37.html

The Changer of Ways is and always shall be my favored Dark Power, but damned if The Plague Father's forces don't have a hell of a lot of personality. This stuff looks amazing!

I don't play DG but personally, I like the new designs. Including them mutations. It seems they are limited to horns and worm-like tentacles which is perfectly within the norm of nurgle gifts. Every other csm grows horns, these happen to be in the shape of nurgle daemon horns, which makes sense.

What I don't like are some suspiciously medieval looking parts and that terminator head. And by head I mean helmet more that the smile. It bears no resemblance to any kind of mark. I looks like the face is hatching from an egg ^_-.

But yea, mostly I think the new kits look great. I'd be anxiously awaiting the full reveal though as I could easily see some of these bordering on possession level mutations (which would be bad), like that huge mouth...unless that's exactly what we're looking at?

Just when I told myself no more miniatures this shows up. Guess I'm gunna have to buy more minis... Oh well.

so it's more than implied DG will come out in May

Some 20 years ago I bought my first Blister Pack of GW miniatures... Special weapon Plague Marines...

I am so damn hyped up right now.

I fear this whole lot will be mkIII exclusive ... so far everything points that way

 aracersss wrote:
I fear this whole lot will be mkIII exclusive ... so far everything points that way

Considering it seems to be copying FW style of the deathguard being mostly mrk3 I would say you are right, which I like as I prefer mrk3 but each to their own

 aracersss wrote:
I fear this whole lot will be mkIII exclusive ... so far everything points that way

Is that a problem in any way? Are you afraid you will not be able to swap heads or legs or anything?

 ph34r wrote:
Is that a problem in any way? Are you afraid you will not be able to swap heads or legs or anything?

It certainly isn't, but just pointing out variety is welcome

 aracersss wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Is that a problem in any way? Are you afraid you will not be able to swap heads or legs or anything?

It certainly isn't, but just pointing out variety is welcome

I think every image we've seen of them has been in MK III armor. I guess you can take some solace in the fact that one variant of the marines can be equipped with even more bulky "mutated" front armor pieces, vs the standard MK III torso front. It could be that they're the proper "plague marines" while the rest are CSM with mark of Nurgle, but we won't know until more leaks come out.



As far as variety in terms of mixing armor types, it's unlikely if it follows the Thousand sons release model, but the DG terminator in the leaks did appear to have a mix of shoulder pad marks so...

 Kanluwen wrote:
It honestly looks like the weapon on top is a kind of "slimethrower".

But the dozer looks like a Vindicator not the Rockgrinder. Having built a Rockgrinder, it looks like a weird amalgation of the two.

Oh my god, slimer from Ghosthbusters was a Nurgle ghost?

I am really looking forward on what Mortarion will look like, hope we will get more info soon.

A bit of a shame all the Terminators appear to be Cataphractii but the FW Deathshroud Termies wear Tartaros... you'd think they might have some of those kicking around?

As someone who collects almost exclusively to satisfy my personal sense of aesthetics (Currently have Orks, and Iron Warriors) I thought that I wasn't going to paint anything else. Now I'm convinced my Iron Warriors need to have an alliance with some Death Guard or maybe some Nurgle blessed Iron Warriors? Does anyone think Nurgle IW would be fluffy?

 matphat wrote:
As someone who collects almost exclusively to satisfy my personal sense of aesthetics (Currently have Orks, and Iron Warriors) I thought that I wasn't going to paint anything else. Now I'm convinced my Iron Warriors need to have an alliance with some Death Guard or maybe some Nurgle blessed Iron Warriors? Does anyone think Nurgle IW would be fluffy?

The beauty of Chaos is that the various independent Warbands can easily decide to do their own thing. Even the Night Lords, the posterboys for "Uw, I don't like Chaos" still have a lot of Legionnaires who throw their lot in with the Gods.

So yeah, a bunch of Iron Warriors who took up Nurgle worship - willingly or otherwise - I'd say is fine.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
A bit of a shame all the Terminators appear to be Cataphractii but the FW Deathshroud Termies wear Tartaros... you'd think they might have some of those kicking around?

Deathshroud can/could chose their type, but do have modeled Tartaros. The Grave Wardens, which were Typhon's dudes, wore all Cataphractii and are likely the guys who became the first Plague Terminators, so it makes sense they'd be modeled in Cat.

While we're on the subject - what do people recommend for Deathguard-esque helmets? Got some MkIII on the way and will be "lightly" plagueing them up --- would like to get some quality gas masks, pickelhaube-esque helmets etc.

I see Anvil has some and Victoria Miniatures have some bare masked heads. FW stuff looks completely crap to me. Alternatives?

 Elbows wrote:
While we're on the subject - what do people recommend for Deathguard-esque helmets? Got some MkIII on the way and will be "lightly" plagueing them up --- would like to get some quality gas masks, pickelhaube-esque helmets etc.

I see Anvil has some and Victoria Miniatures have some bare masked heads. FW stuff looks completely crap to me. Alternatives?

Instead of full heads check these out. You can add them to any bear head you like.

http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/product/gas-mask-x5

I just bought some of the Forge World Legion helmets. A bit of green stuff and they should be easy to plague-up to fit with the rest of them.

Loopstah wrote:
I just bought some of the Forge World Legion helmets. A bit of green stuff and they should be easy to plague-up to fit with the rest of them.

He said we doesn't actually like the way the FW heads look. Other wise I would agree lol