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There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.
   
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 Graphite wrote:
There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.


We need US intelligence. They are a close friend and ally, but it's frustrating to see them act in an amateurish way. Let's hope they fix the problem of leaks.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
The gak is hitting the fan now. Manchester police to stop sharing intel with US security services after leaks to US media

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210

What the hell is going on at the White House?

Prime Minister May is to speak with Trump at the NATO summit on this issue, so we can only hope that Trump puts a boot up somebody's rear for these intel leaks.

It's not the White House...

The intel agencies has been leaking a fething ton since Trump's win.

EDITED: Ouze has the right of it... and it's systemic to a larger problem.

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 whembly wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
The gak is hitting the fan now. Manchester police to stop sharing intel with US security services after leaks to US media

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210

What the hell is going on at the White House?

Prime Minister May is to speak with Trump at the NATO summit on this issue, so we can only hope that Trump puts a boot up somebody's rear for these intel leaks.

It's not the White House...

The intel agencies has been leaking a fething ton since Trump's win.


Given present that is wise.
There leak could of blown a investigation, helped a suspect escape.
Its a active situation and very serious, the leak is highly unprofessional.

If Police miss the wrong person out that cell, more people could die.
It's not a political issue, its national security.

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 jhe90 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
The gak is hitting the fan now. Manchester police to stop sharing intel with US security services after leaks to US media

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210

What the hell is going on at the White House?

Prime Minister May is to speak with Trump at the NATO summit on this issue, so we can only hope that Trump puts a boot up somebody's rear for these intel leaks.

It's not the White House...

The intel agencies has been leaking a fething ton since Trump's win.


Given present that is wise.
There leak could of blown a investigation, helped a suspect escape.
Its a active situation and very serious, the leak is highly unprofessional.

If Police miss the wrong person out that cell, more people could die.
It's not a political issue, its national security.

I'm not defending the US intelligence agencies here... it's a big fething deal. It seems that with all the leakage, these unnamed IC sources are simply blabbing to their news reporters to create chaos for Tillerson/Trump. At some point, the heads of these agencies need to tamp these out fast 'n hard.... and if they can't, then Trump needs to publicly fire them (but, that's a another topic where we don't have a home to discuss, so PM me if you want to continue this line of discussion).

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I don't think the State Department would have the terrorist info that is being shared with the FBI and the MI5 though correct? Why would they?

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.


We need US intelligence. They are a close friend and ally, but it's frustrating to see them act in an amateurish way. Let's hope they fix the problem of leaks.
part of the problem is that, the more agencies you share stuff with, the greater the likelyhood someone will do something you dont want done with it. US intel and law enforcement agencies are massive, and with a big shock event there's always someone who is either unaware or ignorant of the importance of the material or proper procedures, or who just doesnt care and wants to stir the pot, or who just makes a mistake. This isnt the first time, wont be the last, particularly in the big data age where anyone can send anything to the entire planet at an instant with basically zero effort, but it is extra sensitive because of the political environment and other issues with leaks right now.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.


We need US intelligence. They are a close friend and ally, but it's frustrating to see them act in an amateurish way. Let's hope they fix the problem of leaks.
part of the problem is that, the more agencies you share stuff with, the greater the likelyhood someone will do something you dont want done with it. US intel and law enforcement agencies are massive, and with a big shock event there's always someone who is either unaware or ignorant of the importance of the material or proper procedures, or who just doesnt care and wants to stir the pot, or who just makes a mistake. This isnt the first time, wont be the last, particularly in the big data age where anyone can send anything to the entire planet at an instant with basically zero effort, but it is extra sensitive because of the political environment and other issues with leaks right now.


Trumps declared anyone who leaked will be prosecuted for it.
Seems that Trump is trying to patch things up.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

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 jhe90 wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.


We need US intelligence. They are a close friend and ally, but it's frustrating to see them act in an amateurish way. Let's hope they fix the problem of leaks.
part of the problem is that, the more agencies you share stuff with, the greater the likelyhood someone will do something you dont want done with it. US intel and law enforcement agencies are massive, and with a big shock event there's always someone who is either unaware or ignorant of the importance of the material or proper procedures, or who just doesnt care and wants to stir the pot, or who just makes a mistake. This isnt the first time, wont be the last, particularly in the big data age where anyone can send anything to the entire planet at an instant with basically zero effort, but it is extra sensitive because of the political environment and other issues with leaks right now.


Trumps declared anyone who leaked will be prosecuted for it.
Seems that Trump is trying to patch things up.

Just so that you know, it's very difficult to find the leakers. Since you cannot (or really, should not) force the reporters to reveal their sources. Unless the do some sort of Barium Meal Testâ„¢ that IDs the leaker.





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 whembly wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.


We need US intelligence. They are a close friend and ally, but it's frustrating to see them act in an amateurish way. Let's hope they fix the problem of leaks.
part of the problem is that, the more agencies you share stuff with, the greater the likelyhood someone will do something you dont want done with it. US intel and law enforcement agencies are massive, and with a big shock event there's always someone who is either unaware or ignorant of the importance of the material or proper procedures, or who just doesnt care and wants to stir the pot, or who just makes a mistake. This isnt the first time, wont be the last, particularly in the big data age where anyone can send anything to the entire planet at an instant with basically zero effort, but it is extra sensitive because of the political environment and other issues with leaks right now.


Trumps declared anyone who leaked will be prosecuted for it.
Seems that Trump is trying to patch things up.

Just so that you know, it's very difficult to find the leakers. Since you cannot (or really, should not) force the reporters to reveal their sources. Unless the do some sort of Barium Meal Testâ„¢ that IDs the leaker.







For a leak that risked compromising a counter terror investigation of a allied nation running at highest level of alert and breaching x many national security acts for some bullgak political points or so this leaker can feel special...

No. Feth em. In any other job fired for gross negligence and breach data security and release of privileged information.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

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 jhe90 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.


We need US intelligence. They are a close friend and ally, but it's frustrating to see them act in an amateurish way. Let's hope they fix the problem of leaks.
part of the problem is that, the more agencies you share stuff with, the greater the likelyhood someone will do something you dont want done with it. US intel and law enforcement agencies are massive, and with a big shock event there's always someone who is either unaware or ignorant of the importance of the material or proper procedures, or who just doesnt care and wants to stir the pot, or who just makes a mistake. This isnt the first time, wont be the last, particularly in the big data age where anyone can send anything to the entire planet at an instant with basically zero effort, but it is extra sensitive because of the political environment and other issues with leaks right now.


Trumps declared anyone who leaked will be prosecuted for it.
Seems that Trump is trying to patch things up.

Just so that you know, it's very difficult to find the leakers. Since you cannot (or really, should not) force the reporters to reveal their sources. Unless the do some sort of Barium Meal Testâ„¢ that IDs the leaker.







For a leak that risked compromising a counter terror investigation of a allied nation running at highest level of alert and breaching x many national security acts for some bullgak political points or so this leaker can feel special...

No. Feth em. In any other job fired for gross negligence and breach data security and release of privileged information.


Thats not how it works in the US. The 1st Amendment and SCOTUS decisions makes it very hard (thank Dog) to go after reporters. Sorry if you don't like it but thats why we went to divorce court back in the 1780s.

Now you understand why Trump is so frustrated. Not only his own guys in the WH, but holdovers in the FBI and CIA (looking at you Comey) have been leaking confidential docs for months now.

Back to topic. Now being reported that the relatives in Libya knew he was planning an attack.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
There was an interview on Radio 2 this morning where a former top security guy was complaining that the US had done exactly the same thing during the 7/7 attacks. So it isn't exactly new.


We need US intelligence. They are a close friend and ally, but it's frustrating to see them act in an amateurish way. Let's hope they fix the problem of leaks.
part of the problem is that, the more agencies you share stuff with, the greater the likelyhood someone will do something you dont want done with it. US intel and law enforcement agencies are massive, and with a big shock event there's always someone who is either unaware or ignorant of the importance of the material or proper procedures, or who just doesnt care and wants to stir the pot, or who just makes a mistake. This isnt the first time, wont be the last, particularly in the big data age where anyone can send anything to the entire planet at an instant with basically zero effort, but it is extra sensitive because of the political environment and other issues with leaks right now.


Trumps declared anyone who leaked will be prosecuted for it.
Seems that Trump is trying to patch things up.

Just so that you know, it's very difficult to find the leakers. Since you cannot (or really, should not) force the reporters to reveal their sources. Unless the do some sort of Barium Meal Testâ„¢ that IDs the leaker.







For a leak that risked compromising a counter terror investigation of a allied nation running at highest level of alert and breaching x many national security acts for some bullgak political points or so this leaker can feel special...

No. Feth em. In any other job fired for gross negligence and breach data security and release of privileged information.


Thats not how it works in the US. The 1st Amendment and SCOTUS decisions makes it very hard (thank Dog) to go after reporters. Sorry if you don't like it but thats why we went to divorce court back in the 1780s.

Now you understand why Trump is so frustrated. Not only his own guys in the WH, but holdovers in the FBI and CIA (looking at you Comey) have been leaking confidential docs for months now.

Back to topic. Now being reported that the relatives in Libya knew he was planning an attack.


Comes down to simple facts. I worked at a call centre where I could not confirm to a non account holder they had a account.
Yet alone reveal confidental allied intelligence scot Free.

Its down right unprofessional to my view. What if It did risk a key suspect escaping. they ain't ones in firing line if these gak holes ain't caught.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

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 Frazzled wrote:


Back to topic. Now being reported that the relatives in Libya knew he was planning an attack.


It wouldn't surprise me but coming from within Libya they probably admitted to masterminding every crime ever committed.



   
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 Mr. Burning wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:


Back to topic. Now being reported that the relatives in Libya knew he was planning an attack.


It wouldn't surprise me but coming from within Libya they probably admitted to masterminding every crime ever committed.




Remember that it's not the Libyan government claiming this. It's the relatives, who were rounded up by a self-proclaimed "counterterrorism militia".

It might be true or it might be true-sh (as there's no guarantee that the "admission" wasn't extracted via less than pleasant means).
   
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Trump has promised to get to the bottom of these leaks, so let's hope he's as good as his word.

I'm being very careful not to stray into US politics here, but from my understanding, and taking on board earlier comments, there seems to be a big issue with this at the various US intel services. Leaks have been happening all over the place for at least a year. IMO it's a combination of Trump being elected, lax work culture, and dare I say, ill discipline.

I think Britain has been somewhat unlucky to be caught up in the fallout of this. I don't believe it's deliberate, it's just bad luck it's happening now...to us.

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 whembly wrote:

I'm not defending the US intelligence agencies here... it's a big fething deal. It seems that with all the leakage, these unnamed IC sources are simply blabbing to their news reporters to create chaos for Tillerson/Trump. At some point, the heads of these agencies need to tamp these out fast 'n hard.... and if they can't, then Trump needs to publicly fire them (but, that's a another topic where we don't have a home to discuss, so PM me if you want to continue this line of discussion).


Given that Trump released sensitive information given to it by another state to Russia, I don't really see what Trump can complain about (but then apparently he does have the attention span/memory of about 9 seconds). Maybe the security services are just taking Trumps gesture as remit to release loads of confidential information.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Trump has promised to get to the bottom of these leaks, so let's hope he's as good as his word.


That shouldn't take to long, probably needs to look at the use of his own phone.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Trump has promised to get to the bottom of these leaks, so let's hope he's as good as his word.

I'm being very careful not to stray into US politics here, but from my understanding, and taking on board earlier comments, there seems to be a big issue with this at the various US intel services. Leaks have been happening all over the place for at least a year. IMO it's a combination of Trump being elected, lax work culture, and dare I say, ill discipline.

I think Britain has been somewhat unlucky to be caught up in the fallout of this. I don't believe it's deliberate, it's just bad luck it's happening now...to us.


It happened with Obama as well. His administration was actually pretty well known for going hard after leakers and prosecuting them.

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Reading through the information at hand, seems that the focus of the investigation has shifted to the bomb maker, who, looking at what bomb fragments leaked, is pretty into his work.

I'm not sure this is a TATP bomb as was originally suggested in the media. Blast radius was a bit big and the bag smaller, with a motorcycle battery in with it. Maybe Semtex? Would have to be something that can be smuggled or made in a small lab. RDX maybe, it can be mixed with flour to mask it and smuggled in. They used screws, bolts and nails for shrap. Why not just buy a bucket of ball bearings? Weight must have been an issue. They definitely seemed to have been worried the bomb would be frozen with a lithium battery that big though.

This is entirely speculation, but this bomb is a bit over-engineered for a suicide attack. I think their original plan might have been to place it and detonate remotely. I wonder what changed?


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Reading through the information at hand, seems that the focus of the investigation has shifted to the bomb maker, who, looking at what bomb fragments leaked, is pretty into his work.

I'm not sure this is a TATP bomb as was originally suggested in the media. Blast radius was a bit big and the bag smaller, with a motorcycle battery in with it. Maybe Semtex? Would have to be something that can be smuggled or made in a small lab. RDX maybe, it can be mixed with flour to mask it and smuggled in. They used screws, bolts and nails for shrap. Why not just buy a bucket of ball bearings? Weight must have been an issue. They definitely seemed to have been worried the bomb would be frozen with a lithium battery that big though.

This is entirely speculation, but this bomb is a bit over-engineered for a suicide attack. I think their original plan might have been to place it and detonate remotely. I wonder what changed?


Attacker reported to do a dummy run.
Maybe they sadly learnt one strategy wad not effective and changed tac.
Sadly they managed to kill however they planned to do it.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

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 jhe90 wrote:

Attacker reported to do a dummy run.
Maybe they sadly learnt one strategy wad not effective and changed tac.
Sadly they managed to kill however they planned to do it.


Hmmm...

Methodical enough to do a dry run, and vicious enough to target kids, but didn't set up a second device to kill the first responders.

They had a shortage of whatever their explosive was. Must have been something smuggled in.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:

Attacker reported to do a dummy run.
Maybe they sadly learnt one strategy wad not effective and changed tac.
Sadly they managed to kill however they planned to do it.


Hmmm...

Methodical enough to do a dry run, and vicious enough to target kids, but didn't set up a second device to kill the first responders.

They had a shortage of whatever their explosive was. Must have been something smuggled in.


A man with similar look, same bag. Seen there few days prior... Has to be a dry run and recon.
Again likely... They noy said exactly but that much power, that many dead...

Its probbly not quite thr home made kitchen household items kind of explosives.
He had traveled from Libya if that helps... Family are suspected to also be Jihadi. Dad n brother.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:

Attacker reported to do a dummy run.
Maybe they sadly learnt one strategy wad not effective and changed tac.
Sadly they managed to kill however they planned to do it.


Hmmm...

Methodical enough to do a dry run, and vicious enough to target kids, but didn't set up a second device to kill the first responders.

They had a shortage of whatever their explosive was. Must have been something smuggled in.


Or the bomb maker set him up to be a suicide. Tells him that when he flicks the switch it'll start the countdown and to do it at such and such a time in order to have enough time to get away when in reality it just sets it off straight away. It was a tactic the IRA used to use with coerced (or just untrusted) bomb deliverers. They used to use pegs as part of the detonator, instructions were to take the peg off and come back to them. Sometimes the peg did start a timer, other times not. They'd also mark the pegs so they could tell if people came back with pegs they'd bought in order to try and trick them. If you were caught trying to pass off a peg as a bomb peg, you'd get kneecapped if you were lucky.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 BaronIveagh wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:

Attacker reported to do a dummy run.
Maybe they sadly learnt one strategy wad not effective and changed tac.
Sadly they managed to kill however they planned to do it.


Hmmm...

Methodical enough to do a dry run, and vicious enough to target kids, but didn't set up a second device to kill the first responders.

They had a shortage of whatever their explosive was. Must have been something smuggled in.


Or the bomb maker set him up to be a suicide. Tells him that when he flicks the switch it'll start the countdown and to do it at such and such a time in order to have enough time to get away when in reality it just sets it off straight away. It was a tactic the IRA used to use with coerced bomb deliverers.


Dead men do tell no tales...
And the bomb maker seems from the sheer level of hunt and terror level, not some low level smuck.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

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The motiviation for such attacks typically include an actual belief in afterlife, martyrdom and eternal awards in heaven for you and your loved ones.

With that conviction, you don't need to be fooled by a false countdown or anything else.
   
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Alternatively, anger or dejection. If you're angry enough or have given up already, why would death matter?

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:

Attacker reported to do a dummy run.
Maybe they sadly learnt one strategy wad not effective and changed tac.
Sadly they managed to kill however they planned to do it.


Hmmm...

Methodical enough to do a dry run, and vicious enough to target kids, but didn't set up a second device to kill the first responders.

They had a shortage of whatever their explosive was. Must have been something smuggled in.


Good deductions there.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:

Attacker reported to do a dummy run.
Maybe they sadly learnt one strategy wad not effective and changed tac.
Sadly they managed to kill however they planned to do it.


Hmmm...

Methodical enough to do a dry run, and vicious enough to target kids, but didn't set up a second device to kill the first responders.

They had a shortage of whatever their explosive was. Must have been something smuggled in.


People willing to kill themselves for Allah in the West aren't a huge resource (one could say a naturally diminishing one!). Planting a second device prior to the first risks discovery before the main event if you leave it unsupervised. Not to mention the restrictions on what a single man can carry without looking suspicious. If he was on his own and just had a handler who got him the materials and instructions, their options would have been limited.

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Alternatively, anger or dejection. If you're angry enough or have given up already, why would death matter?

I don't know what this terrorist thought or what his motivation was, but in other similar cases, terrorists yell religious slogans, implying my alternative, not yours.
   
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Baxx wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Alternatively, anger or dejection. If you're angry enough or have given up already, why would death matter?

I don't know what this terrorist thought or what his motivation was, but in other similar cases, terrorists yell religious slogans, implying my alternative, not yours.


The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not Democratic, of the People, or a Republic, and yet they claim that they are. Why do we take people at face value?

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