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A Town Called Malus wrote:
Or the bomb maker set him up to be a suicide. Tells him that when he flicks the switch it'll start the countdown and to do it at such and such a time in order to have enough time to get away when in reality it just sets it off straight away. It was a tactic the IRA used to use with coerced (or just untrusted) bomb deliverers. They used to use pegs as part of the detonator, instructions were to take the peg off and come back to them. Sometimes the peg did start a timer, other times not. They'd also mark the pegs so they could tell if people came back with pegs they'd bought in order to try and trick them. If you were caught trying to pass off a peg as a bomb peg, you'd get kneecapped if you were lucky.

Sadly, that's not how ISIS does it. They send two guys, one with the pushbutton wearing the bomb, and one with a remote detonator to blow the first guy up if he chickens out. The IRA are much nicer people, and use a very different approach.

Baxx wrote:The motiviation for such attacks typically include an actual belief in afterlife, martyrdom and eternal awards in heaven for you and your loved ones.

With that conviction, you don't need to be fooled by a false countdown or anything else.

Pretty much this. However, the objective of the attack is maximum casualties and maximum terror. That's why you plant that second device.

As far as risking detection, how much suspicion does a guy with a cart full of tools and a canvas jumpsuit with 'Bob's HVAC Supply and Repair" on it really illicit, even if he's carrying a heavy bag? You could load the AC with phosgene and walk away if you really wanted to.

I take back what I said earlier about US security services. Rex Tillerson has flown to London to apologise for the leaks. You don't see that every day.

I don't doubt that the White House is sincere in its actions and words, but they're probably using this as an opportunity to really go after the leakers who have been annoying the White House for months now.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I take back what I said earlier about US security services. Rex Tillerson has flown to London to apologise for the leaks. You don't see that every day.

I don't doubt that the White House is sincere in its actions and words, but they're probably using this as an opportunity to really go after the leakers who have been annoying the White House for months now.

Yeah. The leakers have made a risk there, well maybe they never meant that to happen.
While it was solely US stuff, I mean its a long way from a allied nation information that threatens a international intelligence sharing agreement.
Suddenly things get a tad more likely that you gonna get deeper investigations and efferts to find them.

Thats almost funny. Intelligence leakers never get caught in the US.

Police have begun releasing people they arrested following the attack. A 16 yer old boy and a 22 year old woman, neither one named in the article, have been released.

They also deny that the 30+ hate crimes reported in Manchester since the attack are related to the attack. Apparently people started beating random Lebanese out of the blue, rather than for any particularly obvious reason.

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats almost funny. Intelligence leakers never get caught in the US.

B.H Obama strongly disagrees with you. He retired more leakers and whistleblowers than social security.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Police have begun releasing people they arrested following the attack. A 16 yer old boy and a 22 year old woman, neither one named in the article, have been released.

They also deny that the 30+ hate crimes reported in Manchester since the attack are related to the attack. Apparently people started beating random Lebanese out of the blue, rather than for any particularly obvious reason.

Sadly, this kind of thing has been happening since last year's EU referendum.


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 jhe90 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I take back what I said earlier about US security services. Rex Tillerson has flown to London to apologise for the leaks. You don't see that every day.

I don't doubt that the White House is sincere in its actions and words, but they're probably using this as an opportunity to really go after the leakers who have been annoying the White House for months now.

Yeah. The leakers have made a risk there, well maybe they never meant that to happen.
While it was solely US stuff, I mean its a long way from a allied nation information that threatens a international intelligence sharing agreement.
Suddenly things get a tad more likely that you gonna get deeper investigations and efferts to find them.

I don't think for a minute that the 5 eyes agreement is under threat, but you add this leak, and Trump's wild accusations against GCHQ a few months back, and I'm surprised that it hasn't collapsed by now.

Like I said earlier, the White House is taking these leaks seriously, and I know enough American history to know that the problem will be solved eventually.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Like I said earlier, the White House is taking these leaks seriously, and I know enough American history to know that the problem will be solved eventually.

We are making the assumption though that it was the American intelligence community that leaked it. However we don't know how many other international agencies have access to the information (noting that there are many countries the share such intel). It could just be a British operative that released it indirectly to an American newspaper as a way of disguising who did it. After all we have all assumed it was American agents that did it. We could have an even more perverse situation was that it was a Trump supporter that did it deliberately to give Trump the excuse to clamp down on the FBI, CIA etc because he is at logger heads with them (even if those at the top don't know anything about it). We still can't ignore that there may be political games going on here.

For all we know, one of Trump's place-men leaked it to create an international storm to justify Trump bearing down hard on the people leaking stuff about the enquiry into all the Team Trump people with dodgy looking connections to Russia.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats almost funny. Intelligence leakers never get caught in the US.

B.H Obama strongly disagrees with you. He retired more leakers and whistleblowers than social security.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Police have begun releasing people they arrested following the attack. A 16 yer old boy and a 22 year old woman, neither one named in the article, have been released.

They also deny that the 30+ hate crimes reported in Manchester since the attack are related to the attack. Apparently people started beating random Lebanese out of the blue, rather than for any particularly obvious reason.

Sadly, this kind of thing has been happening since last year's EU referendum.


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 jhe90 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I take back what I said earlier about US security services. Rex Tillerson has flown to London to apologise for the leaks. You don't see that every day.

I don't doubt that the White House is sincere in its actions and words, but they're probably using this as an opportunity to really go after the leakers who have been annoying the White House for months now.

Yeah. The leakers have made a risk there, well maybe they never meant that to happen.
While it was solely US stuff, I mean its a long way from a allied nation information that threatens a international intelligence sharing agreement.
Suddenly things get a tad more likely that you gonna get deeper investigations and efferts to find them.

I don't think for a minute that the 5 eyes agreement is under threat, but you add this leak, and Trump's wild accusations against GCHQ a few months back, and I'm surprised that it hasn't collapsed by now.

Like I said earlier, the White House is taking these leaks seriously, and I know enough American history to know that the problem will be solved eventually.

Not collapse it, no. But they did manage to get US I tel frozen out a terror case least for a temp basis, if not until conclusion

 jhe90 wrote:


Not collapse it, no. But they did manage to get US I tel frozen out a terror case least for a temp basis, if not until conclusion

Now for Trump to call that a great success and call for the dismantling of the FBI and removal of all special prosecutors.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:


Not collapse it, no. But they did manage to get US I tel frozen out a terror case least for a temp basis, if not until conclusion

Now for Trump to call that a great success and call for the dismantling of the FBI and removal of all special prosecutors.

The idea a pro trump member leaked to discredit own service with a black ops personal approach, sadly I cannot say that's entirely implausible given groups like FBI are rather a animosity relationship with own president.

Looks like they're not finding what they're looking for, since now they're canvassing the dumps.