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 Nostromodamus wrote:
Of course Do'uche claimed responsibility. They cling to every terrorist action they can in an attempt to appear more powerful than they are.

That's because that is the type of terrorism they use. Think of it like a franchise. They provide information/intelligence/logistics/training/support, and then get to claim credit.

An eight year old died in the attack.

https://www.indy100.com/article/manchester-arena-explosion-free-taxi-spare-room-ariana-grande-kindness-tweets-7750736

Some of the kindness that has come from people.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
An eight year old died in the attack.

I felt sick when I read that on the news.

Prayers out to Manchester. Heart broken, I have children from 17 yo down to 15 months, do not want to imagine what families are going through right now.

Later it is proven that the blast during Ariana Grande is the works of ISIS.... Why choose her concert tour and not anyone else? Does Ariana Grande has Jewish ancestry or a follower of Judaism? or does she upholds any Anti-Muslim or Islamophobia mentality/ideology or say anything bad about Islam or ... specifically ISIS?

 Lone Cat wrote:
Later it is proven that the blast during Ariana Grande is the works of ISIS.... Why choose her concert tour and not anyone else? Does Ariana Grande has Jewish ancestry or a follower of Judaism? or does she upholds any Anti-Muslim or Islamophobia mentality/ideology or say anything bad about Islam or ... specifically ISIS?

Not necessarily.

Likely they just completed the explosive device and her concert was the next "soft target" with lots of people. The bomber(s) likely scouted that venue, and others, and was waiting for an opportunity.

Getting pretty sick of humanity today.

There's people putting up fake missing persons stuff on Facebook, and already an 'RIP' group for one of the victims which almost certainly (on account I suspect they're in no fit state) isn't founded by friends or family of the victim.

Feth's sake. I hope all our Mancunian Dakkanaughts and theirs are safe today.

 kronk wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:
Later it is proven that the blast during Ariana Grande is the works of ISIS.... Why choose her concert tour and not anyone else? Does Ariana Grande has Jewish ancestry or a follower of Judaism? or does she upholds any Anti-Muslim or Islamophobia mentality/ideology or say anything bad about Islam or ... specifically ISIS?

Not necessarily.

Likely they just completed the explosive device and her concert was the next "soft target" with lots of people. The bomber(s) likely scouted that venue, and others, and was waiting for an opportunity.

Pretty much this.

Remember, we're not facing a global organisation. It's merely a group of unhinged individuals egging each other on - and many of their 'agents' were simply angry young men taken in by poisonous ideals.

I don't know how we tackle it as a society, both national and international. But I'm pretty sure those quick to paint all Muslims (if indeed it is Islamist terrorism) as equally guilty are just playing into the 'us vs them, the inevitable holy war' narrative.

 Lone Cat wrote:
Later it is proven that the blast during Ariana Grande is the works of ISIS.... Why choose her concert tour and not anyone else? Does Ariana Grande has Jewish ancestry or a follower of Judaism? or does she upholds any Anti-Muslim or Islamophobia mentality/ideology or say anything bad about Islam or ... specifically ISIS?

Because terrorists attack random targets. Simplistically it makes people feel unsafe and that generates fear (and for some hatred) of certain groups of people (it's a naturally evolved trait). That divides communities/countries along whatever those divisions are perceived to be. The intolerance frustrates more people and that can drive more people into the 'arms' of groups like ISIS and the whole cycle begins again. It's a calculated strategy by leaders of groups like ISIS to use people so that they can change who is in charge to being themselves.

We've been killing each over similar issues for thousands of years and it's not likely to change any time soon. The only difference now is that the weapons are by far more powerful than swords and spears.

 Frozocrone wrote:
https://www.indy100.com/article/manchester-arena-explosion-free-taxi-spare-room-ariana-grande-kindness-tweets-7750736

Some of the kindness that has come from people.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
An eight year old died in the attack.

I felt sick when I read that on the news.

I felt sick at all the news in General, pathetic crime pathetic perpetrator, will achieve nothing , will change nothing, apart from affect some families I feel for them.

The peice of gak who did it was named as Salman Abedi.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:
Later it is proven that the blast during Ariana Grande is the works of ISIS.... Why choose her concert tour and not anyone else? Does Ariana Grande has Jewish ancestry or a follower of Judaism? or does she upholds any Anti-Muslim or Islamophobia mentality/ideology or say anything bad about Islam or ... specifically ISIS?

Not necessarily.

Likely they just completed the explosive device and her concert was the next "soft target" with lots of people. The bomber(s) likely scouted that venue, and others, and was waiting for an opportunity.

Pretty much this.

Remember, we're not facing a global organisation. It's merely a group of unhinged individuals egging each other on - and many of their 'agents' were simply angry young men taken in by poisonous ideals.

I don't know how we tackle it as a society, both national and international. But I'm pretty sure those quick to paint all Muslims (if indeed it is Islamist terrorism) as equally guilty are just playing into the 'us vs them, the inevitable holy war' narrative.

Unfortunately, we are in a holy war whether we want to be or not.

Im with you on being sick of humanity today :(

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Remember, we're not facing a global organisation. It's merely a group of unhinged individuals egging each other on - and many of their 'agents' were simply angry young men taken in by poisonous ideals.

I think this is a dangerous assumption to make. It might not be global in the traditional sense, but there is still a structure and hierarchy and people at the top with twisted goals of regime change.

 Humble Guardsman wrote:
fething hell. They were just teenagers. Kids.

Yes indeed. Prayers for them and their families.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
The peice of gak who did it is not worth dignifying with memorial of his name..

Fixed that for you.

 daedalus wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
The peice of gak who did it is not worth dignifying with memorial of his name..

Fixed that for you.

Yeah, good point. You don't name gak, you flush it away.

The Manchester Evening News has set up a donation page for the victims and families.

 Whirlwind wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Remember, we're not facing a global organisation. It's merely a group of unhinged individuals egging each other on - and many of their 'agents' were simply angry young men taken in by poisonous ideals.

I think this is a dangerous assumption to make. It might not be global in the traditional sense, but there is still a structure and hierarchy and people at the top with twisted goals of regime change.

With extremely limited means.

Look at it this way. This is the first serious incident in the U.K. since 2005. 12 years of failure and being stopped.

They're not the threat they like to make out. They stand absolutely no chance of 'regime change'. There numbers are extremely limited. In fact based on the estimation of global security services, actual Islamist Militants are something like a fraction of 1% of the Muslim population of the world.

They're a danger, but not a threat. To give them that much credence is to do them a service.

Remember. Security services need to be on the ball all the time. Those insane enough to do something like this need only be lucky once.

As a country, we've had far, far worse. I work bloody close to one of the last atrocities of the IRA. My brother and I were once at London Bridge station mere hours before a bomb went off there. I wasn't scared then. And I'm not scared now.

I think you mean the 7/7 bombings from 2005.

My bad. Got it right earlier. I shall edit accordingly.

 Lone Cat wrote:
Later it is proven that the blast during Ariana Grande is the works of ISIS.... Why choose her concert tour and not anyone else? Does Ariana Grande has Jewish ancestry or a follower of Judaism? or does she upholds any Anti-Muslim or Islamophobia mentality/ideology or say anything bad about Islam or ... specifically ISIS?

I've read one argument online that the concert was targeted because it would have lots of women and children present (Grande's fan base).

Not saying I agree with the argument (I can't stand the author), but given ISIS' issues with women and female sexuality it is plausible.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/05/22/the_bombing_at_a_manchester_ariana_grande_show_was_an_attack_on_girls_and.html

 daedalus wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
The peice of gak who did it is not worth dignifying with memorial of his name..

Fixed that for you.

No name. No photo. No glory.
He can remain forgotten and no body the world remembers.


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Seems things may not be over, May just made a big move.

Threat level is up to Critical.
5,000 Troops to be deployed for UK security armed to augment the Police forces,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535388/PM-says-terror-threat-level-critical.html

That strongly implies they believe he had accomplices who may be in a position to strike in the immediate future. Might be a good week to avoid obvious target locations where possible.

 Ketara wrote:
That strongly implies they believe he had accomplices who may be in a position to strike in the immediate future. Might be a good week to avoid obvious target locations where possible.

Or not. If you take precautions and avoid places you want to go you are letting the Bad Guys Win, or so I've been told.




On a serious note, I wonder if the increased threat posture is due to actual intel gathered from recent raids/other intel sources or if it is just precaution based on this attack.

Either way, I hope the UK law enforcement and intel guys are able to break up anything else that may be coming up.

 CptJake wrote:

 Ketara wrote:
That strongly implies they believe he had accomplices who may be in a position to strike in the immediate future. Might be a good week to avoid obvious target locations where possible.

Or not. If you take precautions and avoid places you want to go you are letting the Bad Guys Win, or so I've been told.




On a serious note, I wonder if the increased threat posture is due to actual intel gathered from recent raids/other intel sources or if it is just precaution based on this attack.

Either way, I hope the UK law enforcement and intel guys are able to break up anything else that may be coming up.

Given this comes after they searched suspects home, and made arrests...
Sadly likely they don,t think he was entirely alone.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


As a country, we've had far, far worse. I work bloody close to one of the last atrocities of the IRA. My brother and I were once at London Bridge station mere hours before a bomb went off there. I wasn't scared then. And I'm not scared now.

As whole, while the IRA may not have been too concerned with collateral, women and children generally weren't their primary targets in these attacks.

 CptJake wrote:
If you take precautions and avoid places you want to go you are letting the Bad Guys Win, or so I've been told.

Feel free to let the possible, unknown future actions of a terrorist dictate what you do.

Me? I'll carry on doing what I damn well please and to hell with them. Most Brits I know have the same mindset.

Though I usually agree with you on most topics, I guess we just differ on that philosophy.

The level being at critical seems like really rather a big deal to me and worth a rethink of plans at the very least.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
If you take precautions and avoid places you want to go you are letting the Bad Guys Win, or so I've been told.

Feel free to let the possible, unknown future actions of a terrorist dictate what you do.

Me? I'll carry on doing what I damn well please and to hell with them. Most Brits I know have the same mindset.

Though I usually agree with you on most topics, I guess we just differ on that philosophy.

I guess so. I used to do threat assessments and risk assessments for a living. In my experience it is plain dumb to NOT mitigate against risks and work towards avoiding or eliminating threats. I fully expect the UK gov't to take my position, and their actions so far support that opinion.