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The rule is, if player one gets a turn, so does 2. If you can't slot it in. The game ends.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The rule is, if player one gets a turn, so does 2. If you can't slot it in. The game ends.

That often breaks down when player 1 unintentionally thinks player 2 will have time, or less often TFG insists there is enough time and runs out the clock as player 1. It's always been a problem in tournaments, and it seems like a bigger deal now.

 schadenfreude wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The rule is, if player one gets a turn, so does 2. If you can't slot it in. The game ends.

That often breaks down when player 1 unintentionally thinks player 2 will have time, or less often TFG insists there is enough time and runs out the clock as player 1. It's always been a problem in tournaments, and it seems like a bigger deal now.

Please see below the answer I got from Reece, the tournament organizer: We have a 20 minute rule wherein if players are down to about the 20 minute mark and are going to play another turn, each player gets half that time, total. You time your opponent, they time you. That way you get an entire turn and it is fair to both players.

To your original post, I am not sure what happens if a player's turn ends with ~20 minutes left, whereby that player has played one extra turn and the 20 minutes isn't enough to finish the other player's turn...

Pepin wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
The rule is, if player one gets a turn, so does 2. If you can't slot it in. The game ends.

That often breaks down when player 1 unintentionally thinks player 2 will have time, or less often TFG insists there is enough time and runs out the clock as player 1. It's always been a problem in tournaments, and it seems like a bigger deal now.

Please see below the answer I got from Reece, the tournament organizer: We have a 20 minute rule wherein if players are down to about the 20 minute mark and are going to play another turn, each player gets half that time, total. You time your opponent, they time you. That way you get an entire turn and it is fair to both players.

To your original post, I am not sure what happens if a player's turn ends with ~20 minutes left, whereby that player has played one extra turn and the 20 minutes isn't enough to finish the other player's turn...

Sounds like a good rule. If it's player 2s turn at the 20 minute mark I take that as don't start another turn.

What if Player 1's turn ends with ~20 mins left?

 Reecius wrote:
@andysonic1

Yeah, there is some confusion on this topic but I would not come to the LVO assuming I could use Daemon strats on anything other than units that were Daemon Faction units.

Once again, FAQ proves that Reece has the insider info....

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Reecius wrote:
@andysonic1
Yeah, there is some confusion on this topic but I would not come to the LVO assuming I could use Daemon strats on anything other than units that were Daemon Faction units.

Once again, FAQ proves that Reece has the insider info....

It's not like I didn't know he would tell me the answer when I asked it. They DO know whats in the pipeline and have tested it and helped mold it.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

The FAQ we all expected is here.

And yes, these are in play for the LVO which is a tight timeline but we’re thankful to GW for pushing these out fast for everyone’s benefit and clarity. And as the Daemon Dex has only been out for a week and change, it hopefully is close enough to avoid having disrupted too many people too much. But in order to use all the fun new stuff for Daemons, we had to get it in in a short window of time.

The 20 minute rule kicks in for a Battle Round, not a Player Turn. As always, it is the responsibility of the players to keep their eye on the clock and manage their and their opponent's time politely but wisely.


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And also gang, we're in crunch mode here so this will likely be my last post on this thread prior to the event. I will do my best to pop in and look for questions but I may not be able to.

Thanks to everyone who is coming, can't wait to see you there and to those of you coming, good luck and I hope you all have a wonderful time!

Is there a BCP planned for doubles?

 schadenfreude wrote:
It seems impossible for player 2 to win unless the clock runs out on their turn.

Andrew,
I think it was in a FLG comment section, but Reece posted that players going second had a 56% Win percent, compared to 44% wins for going first, data coming from ITC events.

And with the comments in between your old post and me posting this, you ought to now have a better feeling about players going second.

I hope that helps.

 Brothererekose wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
It seems impossible for player 2 to win unless the clock runs out on their turn.

Andrew,
I think it was in a FLG comment section, but Reece posted that players going second had a 56% Win percent, compared to 44% wins for going first, data coming from ITC events.

And with the comments in between your old post and me posting this, you ought to now have a better feeling about players going second.

I hope that helps.

Do you have a link for that, by chance? I'd love to look more at it or the data...maybe quiet some complainers about not getting their first turns.

Let's get ready to RUUUUUMMMBLE!

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

 Brothererekose wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
It seems impossible for player 2 to win unless the clock runs out on their turn.

Andrew,
I think it was in a FLG comment section, but Reece posted that players going second had a 56% Win percent, compared to 44% wins for going first, data coming from ITC events.

And with the comments in between your old post and me posting this, you ought to now have a better feeling about players going second.

I hope that helps.

Do you have a link for that, by chance? I'd love to look more at it or the data...maybe quiet some complainers about not getting their first turns.

ITC Champion’s Missions:

The player going first wins: 44% of the time.
The Player going second wins: 56% of the time.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2018/01/11/40k-championships-at-the-lvo-update/

So I’m sill confused about the detachment differentiation’s with regard to modeling. If I have 3 detachments, 2 are alaitoc 1 is Ynarri. They don’t share any similar squads between them do I still need to differentiate between what is Ynarri and what is alaitoc on the model/base itself? Even though I don’t share same type squads between the 3 detachments?


Or is it only if I say have a squad of 3 dark reapers in the Ynarri detachment and 3 dark reapers in one of the alaitoc detachments that I would have to mark them?

Yes they must be distinguishable from each other.

Not gaming related, but anyone know what time GW's seminars are on?

And indeed which timezone that time relates to, so I can do some clever and work out when I can tune in?

 Crimson Devil wrote:


ITC Champion’s Missions:

The player going first wins: 44% of the time.
The Player going second wins: 56% of the time.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2018/01/11/40k-championships-at-the-lvo-update/

That's interesting, it could mean what Reese thinks it means, but it's a small sample size so the uncertainty of the data is high, and we may just be seeing noise rather than signal. With that said, my hunch is that Reese is right, and that is really a trend in the data, but it's less about making informed decisions than it is the first one to expose themselves is at a disadvantage. People turtle up during deployment, so being the first one to expose yourself to your opponents alpha strike puts you at a disadvantage. If it were harder to turtle you'd see more first turn advantage, but with the amount of LOS blocking terrain in ITC matches your opponent is reliant on deep strikers or indirect fire to get you. This is supported by Reeses other observation that without the LoS blocking rule, games end up horribly lopsided in favor of shooting and first turn.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not gaming related, but anyone know what time GW's seminars are on?

And indeed which timezone that time relates to, so I can do some clever and work out when I can tune in?

GW Seminars Friday Announcement:

0900-1000 "What is GWs vision through 2019?"
1000-1100 "Marketing to nerds I - Online changes"
1100-1200 ”Marketing to nerds II - Nerd Rage”
1200-1300 LUNCH
1300-1400 "Maximixing Profit Minimizing Model Count”
1400-1500 "Neckbeards and the Moms who love them.”
1500-1600 "Why we hate Orks"

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not gaming related, but anyone know what time GW's seminars are on?

And indeed which timezone that time relates to, so I can do some clever and work out when I can tune in?

The GW seminar is actually tonight at 8pm PST, and will be on twitch.

8:00pm. Pete and Andy will deliver a now legendary studio preview, which as always will feature a first look at a range of exciting upcoming releases as well as an opportunity for a Q&A session.

When does round 1 start, and will it be streaming?

 Red Corsair wrote:
When does round 1 start, and will it be streaming?

two streams, both just got started for day 2.

Frontline gaming: https://www.twitch.tv/frontlinegaming_tv

WarhammerTV: https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

Rosters for the Frontline Gaming stream, round 4

Frontline's stream has a more competitive game for round 5: two undefeated players on Table 3 - Jonathan Camacho's Genestealer Cult vs. Sam Henley's Chaos

Round 6 on the Frontline Gaming stream: fifth table, Mark Wright vs Jared Friedman. Both have won all 5 games so far.

Top 4 lists going into LVO finals attached

standings here: https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/q09y1gw9

Lists of LVO finalists 5-8

So eldar, particularly reaper spam dominates another edition. *Sigh*

 buddha wrote:
So eldar, particularly reaper spam dominates another edition. *Sigh*

That is sure to be fixed in March, when they do their next major FAQ update, and "fix" Reapers, while they break something new to become the hotness to sell everything.

Or break them more by giving point discount because it's GW and they don't care about balance.

Remember all the times players were 100% sure thing gets nerfed in codex because it was utterly broken only to get BOOST...

If you really look at the lists, only 1 of them spams reapers. 1 list takes 3 minimum squads, 1 takes 1 larger squad, and the other Eldar list takes none.