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Karol wrote:

then why do space marines not only have one kit that can be built into any of their units?

Biggest differences between DR and FD are : head, weapons, tabards.
Smaller differences : Dark reapers have bigger armor plates, skull iconography and different backs.

Oh that is easy. Just because they sell more boxs, doesn't mean that GW wants to sell them for cheap and not make money. I mean just look at the honored of the chapter box. It is ment for places like my country, where getting an indomitus box was not easy. The new box has scalping level of price attached to it.

I don't know what Polish list prices are on this kit, but I doubt that.
You get 3 Eradicators (no MM/heavy options) - the stand alone kit lists for $50 USA (with MM & heavy gun options) - how do you value those extra bitz?
You get 3 Blade Guard - stand alone kit lists for $50 USA
You get 4 characters - new plastic characters go for what, $30/$35 apiece here in the USA?
Looks like if I could buy all these as single releases I'd pay at least $170 + $40ish(? for the eradicators) - so around $210+
Or I could buy this set from GW now for $140

Of course EBay etc is a thing & I could get this stuff cheaper....

You don't compare the price of the kits that came from a sealed box to the price of single models, you can't even buy.

The honored of the chapter box costs 140$ here. While indomitus costed 199$. Those are scalper level prices. the 3 heroes from ID and 5 intercessors are just as crazy priced.

And here they don't go for anything, because GW sent too few of the boxs to create a big enough secondary market.

Europe/UK should be a large enough secondary market. You are located in Poland, right?

Yes. Two things though. Postal cost, stuff gettting "lost" when it comes from germany, and some units being wanted in all of europe meaning people first sell the to people localy. Here it created a wierd meta, with people going vanvet spam and mass attack bikes, months before everyone else, and before the changes to salamanders and eradictors.

It was fun though, reading about how blade guard and eradictors are ruining the game, and not needing to play against them. Of course later I had to find out that what we localy had wasn't much better. But that is a separate thing.

I would love to know the breakdown of how much GW sells outside of the UK/NA markets, and what demonstable affect Brexit has had on their ability to make a profit. Because they aren't getting tagged with the tax, the brick and mortar seller is getting hit with the duty fees. It's a frequent tale of Brexit that the big corporations are doing great, and the small mom-pop brick and mortars are facing 300% markups on everything that comes across the pond.

Karol wrote:
Yes.

I generally buy characters or single units from boxsets seperately. On eBay, you'll find sellers from all over Europe with reasonable shipping cost.
It's usually between 0€ (France) to around 8€ (UK) for Germany, so I don't expect it to explode for Poland.

Look, the problem has always been that GW designs in reverse. It SHOULD be that the miniature team designs models the rules team wants to add/update. Instead they've all but confirmed it works the other way around. The miniatures team comes up with the model and throws it to the rules team to fit in. That's why you frequently see redesigned kits with brand new oddball options that didn't exist before; someone in the model team thought it looked cool and the rules team now needs to account for it. It's never been indicated what, if any, input the rules team has but it's seemingly little to none.

So for new aspects the miniature team would need to see it as worth doing, however they decide that (this hadn't been said as far as I know), and then design the kits how they see fit.

Which is why you got garbage like the Wraithknight when the range is the oldest in the game.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
For all the gak GW is getting, they really did revive a lot of things that people were craving for and absolutely did not expect:

- Necromunda
- Sororitas
- Genestealer Cults
- Gulliman
- Warhammer TOW
- Zoats
- Ambulls

Heck, at this stage nothing is off limits (except Squats), so Eldar of all factions are certainly not unlikely to be remade. Jain Zar and Banshees aren't even that old, so there must be some sort of plan for them, even if it's a rebranding into Ynarii.

Except they ALSO revived squats (there's one (1) in Necromunda).

except they also removed lost& the damned in any form or capacity, you know you basic general chaos representation?
They yeeted corsairs.
They decided IG doesn't need to be able to represent drop troops despite IG requireing such a count as to represent IG operations without marine support, something actually quite important technically aswell

i mean yes they did good with GSC and TOW has potential but there's no reason to not be sceptical aswell.

I think Corsairs and Lost and the Damned were removed because GW is going to make real factions that fill that space.

It's unfortunate that a) they didn't leave something functional in place until we get the new stuff and b) that we can't guarantee we're going to like what we get as much as what we lost.

Because I don't think they will be called Lost and the Damned and Corsairs. I think they're going to be Traitor Guard and Ynarri. So I know, it's not going to be exactly the same, and if you played LatD or Corsairs and loved them, you have my genuine sympathy, but there will be something that GW releases to try to fill the design space.

And it isn't that GW doesn't think there should be a way to represent drop troops. It's just that GW thinks that army should be Tempestus Scions. I liked Elysians better too, but only because of the six wheeled buggy- damn that model was awesome- and it could be carried by that FW Valkyrie variant.

I think that Eldar of all stripes are going to get a big release before the end of the edition. The CWE will be the biggest piece of that update, but they won't be alone.

GW has to get the dexes out. If it wasn't for the Brexit/ Covid double whammy, we'd be at least three more dexes ahead than we are.

PenitentJake wrote:
I like Artel's Aeldari substitutes. But I would forget all about them if GW just got off the pot

I bought their 'Archon', it had good detail and quality, but the scale is off for using with GW stuff.

PenitentJake wrote:
I think Corsairs and Lost and the Damned were removed because GW is going to make real factions that fill that space.

The Corsairs were removed, as the line didn't have models for most of it's datasheets. The only rules they had going into 8th edition, were for those datasheets with actual models.

I was surprised to see the Traitor Guard loose matched play rules/ model line disappear, but I guess they must not have sold well enough to keep in production and then with no model line, no rules=no models. I wouldn't be too surprised to see something happen with Traitor Guard with GW proper, even if it's a Brood-Brothers like treatment where you replace the <Regiment> with <Traitor Guard>, and <Imperium> to <Chaos>. That'd make the most sense to me.

I'm a big fan of the Ynnari models and Lore, and would love to see more fleshing out of that faction 100%

Fully expecting that we will be seeing a World Eaters/Word Bearers Codex Supplement in this expansion, along with Angron and Lorgar.

I doubt IG will get a relaunch soon as they are still retiring the Catachan line, whilst pushing the Tempestus aka: Primaris Guardsmen.

 Slayer6 wrote:
...Tempestus aka: Primaris Guardsmen.

...Tempestus launched back in 6e when GW still though that mini-dexes were a good idea. IIRC, neither IG nor Tempestus have received any releases since (barring a couple of one-off characters for IG, but that hardly counts).

 waefre_1 wrote:

 Slayer6 wrote:
...Tempestus aka: Primaris Guardsmen.

...Tempestus launched back in 6e when GW still though that mini-dexes were a good idea. IIRC, neither IG nor Tempestus have received any releases since (barring a couple of one-off characters for IG, but that hardly counts).

So if those don't count, why do one off SM releases count when bitching about endless astartes releases?

 Slayer6 wrote:
Fully expecting that we will be seeing a World Eaters/Word Bearers Codex Supplement in this expansion, along with Angron and Lorgar.

I doubt IG will get a relaunch soon as they are still retiring the Catachan line, whilst pushing the Tempestus aka: Primaris Guardsmen.

That's a very odd take on storm troopers. Beyond modern funky mislabeling, they've been part of the IG army for decades and have their own role in the codex. They're not replacing guardsmen kits nor do they function in the same fashion.

Not sure what you mean by 'still retiring Catachans'. They're not being retired. They've actually gotten a number of one off models, more than any other regiment has gotten for decades.

Chaos legions are very unlikely to get supplements. If they get anything, they'll get a freestanding codex with little from the main chaos codex, like death guard. And I'm confused as to why you'd pick that particular combination of legions. The most they have in common is being primarily red.

Yeah, it's far more likely IMO that Catachans will get new kits and be the new Guardsmen poster boys.

I would not be surprised if they cleared out the Cadian models whilst replacing the Catachan ones.

 Slayer6 wrote:
Fully expecting that we will be seeing a World Eaters/Word Bearers Codex Supplement in this expansion, along with Angron and Lorgar.

I doubt IG will get a relaunch soon as they are still retiring the Catachan line, whilst pushing the Tempestus aka: Primaris Guardsmen.

World Eaters I can see... Word bearers though? Honestly I think just giving 3.5 dex style options to make your own cult terminators/power armor/bikes etc. would have been infinitely cooler and more manageable than several supplements... and more satisfying for the fanbase. It's not really economical right now to try to shove several books down chaos player's throats. I guess it does bear the distinct advantage of also being able to crank out several model releases spread out over a bunch of supplements...

There's money in separate chaos codexes if only to try to force people with existing collections that are mixed legion to buy new stuff to turn those armies into single-Legion forces. But I doubt GW would do more than one per edition, that'd cannibalize sales from one another.

I expect CSM to get some kind of supplement treatment, just to sell more books. Maybe not a supplement per Legion like loyalists, but possibly sticking the Legion specific stuff in something like Traitor Legions or Faith and Fury. They're already spreading rules around for several factions in the Warzone Charodon book.

I'm afraid that I foresee the next big army release with major miniature support being the Primarisisation of the Grey Knights.

i really hope this sunday we will get a new roadmap so we will know where we are going

I'm confident we'll see the next Codex - if we're lucky, we might get the next three.

Anyone like me who has been playing since 4th ed knows any CW kite GW produces will sell like crazy.
As someone said here, the n°1 drive behind kit production is "inspiration from the design studio".

Not very pro surely, but GW has repeated many times this (to what extent is it really is debatable).
So I think until the design studio is inspired, suck it eldar fans ! (more seriously, I am sorry for you as IMHO Eldar is an iconic faction who really deserves some love at this point)

 addnid wrote:
Anyone like me who has been playing since 4th ed knows any CW kite GW produces will sell like crazy.
As someone said here, the n°1 drive behind kit production is "inspiration from the design studio".

Not very pro surely, but GW has repeated many times this (to what extent is it really is debatable).
So I think until the design studio is inspired, suck it eldar fans ! (more seriously, I am sorry for you as IMHO Eldar is an iconic faction who really deserves some love at this point)

Sorry but i cant really believe that all this SM release schedule was created by "inspiration"

Hell with ynnari you can have only wondefull and cool ideas for new models and here we are