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 Eldarsif wrote:
The writing was on the wall with GW discontinuing the supplements a month back or so.

And? So? But? Therefore?

Does that make it not a problem? Does that make them less scummy somehow for doing it?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
The writing was on the wall with GW discontinuing the supplements a month back or so.

And? So? But? Therefore?

Does that make it not a problem? Does that make them less scummy somehow for doing it?

this.

If the product is so shoddy that it needs to be invalidated 5 months down the line, then i feel the asking price is not worth it and or the product was a mere cashgrab.

Further, and whilest i agree the balance updates are theorethically a nice thing, practically they are locked behind a paywall and further seem to be overly corrective due to the faction testing and playtesting in general seemingly being a lackluster process in regards to balance.

Basically they are a mere bandaid for the fact, that the complete product isn't tested before release (e.g. Codices being not tested against one another) and further released staggered, which in turn makes the balance patches as already stated a mere bandaid.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why are people surprised that a 5 month old book already got taken behind the shed, afterall its still the same GW that did this to traitor legions supplement in 7th.

Well before they haven't been invalidating even parts of supplement that got new version without part. The old parts that were removed were still legal as per GW...

tneva82 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Why are people surprised that a 5 month old book already got taken behind the shed, afterall its still the same GW that did this to traitor legions supplement in 7th.

Well before they haven't been invalidating even parts of supplement that got new version without part. The old parts that were removed were still legal as per GW...

Again though GW isn't good at providing a stable working ruleset at all, and they are seemingly going into live-service type systems which are even worse internally so what did people expect, that gw would do better?

They can't get their good ideas right, so what were the chances of them getting their bad ones to work?

Have we waited long enough to see that supplements are a bad[ly implemented] idea yet? Or should we wait longer?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
It’s not safe to drink from the Dakka well due to the salt content.

Oh, come on! That well was fine! The salt content was 10% less than a lethal dose!

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Have we waited long enough to see that supplements are a bad[ly implemented] idea yet? Or should we wait longer?

Doesn't matter. GW will still keep releasing them and tournament try hard's will keep buying them to pretend they are playing competive game.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Have we waited long enough to see that supplements are a bad[ly implemented] idea yet? Or should we wait longer?

I stand by that they should have been narrative only books with campaign missions, discussions of the forces and other related stuff instead of matched play.

Like they *can* work, but as part of matched play with the intent for use in tournaments they just cause problems.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Have we waited long enough to see that supplements are a bad[ly implemented] idea yet? Or should we wait longer?

We're about a year out from 10th, so now you can look forward to "the biggest shakeup of the galaxy since the 13th Black Crusade and Psychic Awakening(tm)" supplements.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Have we waited long enough to see that supplements are a bad[ly implemented] idea yet? Or should we wait longer?

I stand by that they should have been narrative only books with campaign missions, discussions of the forces and other related stuff instead of matched play.

Like they *can* work, but as part of matched play with the intent for use in tournaments they just cause problems.

The Vigilus books in 8th weren't too terrible I thought. They felt a decent mix of fluff (nothing on FW's stuff but it was an attempt), new units, scenarios and matched play rules. The Renegade Chapters getting dedicated sub-faction rules in Ablaze was the kind of thing I'd rather see than Armies of Renown.

The argument could easily be made that the Specialist Detachments or whatever they were called were a form of bloat, but since we didn't really see many of those supplements until Psychic Awakening began vomiting stuff out left and right, they weren't completely suffocating the way 9th was seemingly designed to be the codex creep/churn edition.