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I know it would be More Chaos, but I’d like to see a four man Chaos crew that had one champion for each god.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
You're probably right about Nurgle, but goodness I'm so over Nurgle releases.

I'm still holding out for Darkoaths.

And of course my real dark horses (in that I know full well they aren't coming) are the gladiator free humans, and Fimir

Fimir are a FW faction, until that changes they're not happening.

Freeguild are possible. "The Mirrored City" novel that went up for preorder this weekend centers on a Freeguilder.

I hold no expectations of Nurgle.
We have 8 factions coming for Nightvault. That's a known detail.
The breakdown for Shadespire was 3 Order(Fyreslayers, Vanguard Hunters, Liberators), 3 Chaos(Skaven, Bloodbound, Magore's Fiends), 1 Destruction(Ironjawz), and 1 Death(Sepulchral Guard)

So far the breakdown for Nightvault:
1 Order(Cursebreakers)
1 Death(Briar Queen)
1 Destruction(Fungoids)
1 Chaos(Tzeentch)

I'm expecting at least 1 more Death and 1 more Order warband, with the possibility of two more Death warbands instead. I'm kind of leaning towards there potentially being an extra Destruction warband instead of another Chaos warband.

I'm personally leaning towards them intending the count to come a bit closer for Grand Alliance representation. If they do it right? We could be looking at 4 Chaos, 3 Destruction, 4 Death, and 5 Order.

I think the problem with Destruction is that is “just” Orruks, Grots and Ogors, so with Orruks and Grots now “covered”, and Ogors seeming unlikely (at least to me), I don’t see another Destruction band happening soon. Happy to be wrong, though.

I’d be really surprised if we do not get any Elves this time. I’d also love Freeguild and Kharadrons, but they’re both not very magic-focused and might get us too many Order factions, so at least both seems unlikely. Really hoping we don’t get Nurgle and not a big fan of Slaanesh either - Darkoath would be cool, though. Hopefully we’ll know when people get their hands on the new rulebook.

 Insane Ivan wrote:

I think the problem with Destruction is that is “just” Orruks, Grots and Ogors, so with Orruks and Grots now “covered”, and Ogors seeming unlikely (at least to me), I don’t see another Destruction band happening soon. Happy to be wrong, though.

Destruction has 12 'factions' within it. They can be broken down into Orruks, Grots, Ogors, Troggoths, and Gargants.
Orruks are broken into three factions--Ironjawz(which we've gotten), Bonesplitters, and Greenskinz.
Grots are Gitmobs, Spiderfangs, and Moonclan(which we look to be getting)
Ogors are Firebellies, Beastclaw Raiders, Maneaters, and Gutbusters.
Troggoths are just that.
Gargants are also just Giants.

There's a lot of room for additional Destruction factions, they just might be weirdly done or 'combined'. It's looking like Moonclan will have a Troggoth in their faction.

I’d be really surprised if we do not get any Elves this time. I’d also love Freeguild and Kharadrons, but they’re both not very magic-focused and might get us too many Order factions, so at least both seems unlikely.

Freeguild is in an interesting situation and I expect them to be getting a "Free Peoples" book instead of "Freeguild". It would bring them, Collegiate Arcanum, Devoted of Sigmar, and the human side of Ironweld Arsenal into one spot potentially.

Really hoping we don’t get Nurgle and not a big fan of Slaanesh either - Darkoath would be cool, though. Hopefully we’ll know when people get their hands on the new rulebook.

I'm expecting Slaanesh. We had a mention of a Mirror since the same timeframe as us finding out about the Briar Queen so they've seeded past incidents with previews.

The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

 LunarSol wrote:
The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

And yet, 3-3-1-1.

Nurgle has not had ANYTHING to do with Shadespire. At all. The product label is "Warhammer Underworlds", but we're still in Shadespire with the Nightvault. Slaanesh and Tzeentch both have explicitly been called out as doing things surrounding Shadespire. Tzeentch's forces are there looking for magical artefacts and Slaanesh are there following the trail to Slaanesh.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

And yet, 3-3-1-1.

Nurgle has not had ANYTHING to do with Shadespire. At all. The product label is "Warhammer Underworlds", but we're still in Shadespire with the Nightvault. Slaanesh and Tzeentch both have explicitly been called out as doing things surrounding Shadespire. Tzeentch's forces are there looking for magical artefacts and Slaanesh are there following the trail to Slaanesh.

So what. If they have Nurgle miniatures for it, they'll just "these random nurgle guys ran into a weird portal and got stuck in Shadespire too .. the end"

GW makes models and than get's the low-tier guys in the company that nobody sits with during coffee break because it's bad for your career to write some fluff to go along with the miniatures, not the other way around.

 LunarSol wrote:
The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

Kharadrons were mentioned as being in shadespire some time ago, forgot which book that was in though. I kinda hope Nurgle doesn't make it in (they've been done to death), I mean it would be better than Khorne again but Slaanesh would be preferable...or even beastmen. Some type of aelf this time is a must for me though. I'm not buying into this season 2 until someone leaks the full lineup of warbands which is hopefully in the book same as last time.

 Thargrim wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

Kharadrons were mentioned as being in shadespire some time ago, forgot which book that was in though.

Malign Portents, they found a mirror "containing an excessively vain soul". The airship that found it never made it back to the Skyport.

Sunny Side Up wrote:So what. If they have Nurgle miniatures for it, they'll just "these random nurgle guys ran into a weird portal and got stuck in Shadespire too .. the end"

GW makes models and than get's the low-tier guys in the company that nobody sits with during coffee break because it's bad for your career to write some fluff to go along with the miniatures, not the other way around.

And yet they had reasons for all of the original warbands to be there that weren't what you were describing...

I absolutely love that Grot. The Tzaangor is nice also, if a bit plain. I'm hoping the Tzeentch warband has a Tzeentch Warrior type model. We've seen what they look like for Nurgle and Khorne, and would love to see what Tzeentch ones look like.

With the 4 unrevealed warbands I hope we get Aelves of one flavor or another, and I'd love to see the Gladiator style Freeguard. I'd also like to see something Slaanesh. What I think we will get is: Slaanesh, Deepkin, Kharadon, and Daughters.

Just please no Nurgle. Nurgle could go for three or four years without a release and still have a bigger range across the games than any other of the gods.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I've got a job of crushing dreams, it's important to me...

Plus it's important to establish that for anyone who casually might just be following the thread and thinking "Wait who are Fimir?".

It's all good lol. As far as GW releases go I long ago learned to be pessimistic. I will say though that over the last year GW have given me the two of the three things I've really wanted from 40k, which were Custodes, and Rogue traders. (The third thing being new Guard regiments, and I think that Necomunda palantine enforcers would scratch that itch for me and a lot of people, as well as the interesting prospect of the Kill team voidsmen becoming a thing. They are for sure a hot item ATM, similar to the attention the plastic Custodes got, I think. So who knows, maybe we'll be be 3 for 3 and I'll need to think up a new 40k wish list.)

Fantasy is where GW lets me down a lot- but even then, its been getting better with the DoK, and Idoneth getting released its finally hope that GW will move beyond "MOAR STORMCASTS ALL THE TIME" mentality that I hope is just the last echos of the Kirby period working themselves out of the developmental pipeline.

Of course, in terms of fantasy my only true desires are more Humans in every grand alliance (who wouldn't be interested in seeing some destruction aligned Humans?) and redone lizardmen. After that I kinda don't have much to wish for aside from Fimir. lol

Clan Eshin Skaven would be cool. They like to mess with Nagash's plans, like in the Malign Portents stories.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
The Alliances are irrelevant to Shadespire. I don't think GW is likely to spend much effort making sure they are fairly represented. I think they'll just focus on factions that have giving AoS the unique identify it really lacked when it first launched. Deepkin, Daughters, Kharadrons, Nurgle seem like the top contenders for the remaining 4 slots, IMO.

And yet, 3-3-1-1.

Nurgle has not had ANYTHING to do with Shadespire. At all. The product label is "Warhammer Underworlds", but we're still in Shadespire with the Nightvault. Slaanesh and Tzeentch both have explicitly been called out as doing things surrounding Shadespire. Tzeentch's forces are there looking for magical artefacts and Slaanesh are there following the trail to Slaanesh.

It would be pretty easy to write almost any faction into the story of Shadespire. The fact we don't yet have lore supporting a faction being in the city doesn't mean it isn't their. Shadespire is a big city, after all.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Insane Ivan wrote:

I think the problem with Destruction is that is “just” Orruks, Grots and Ogors, so with Orruks and Grots now “covered”, and Ogors seeming unlikely (at least to me), I don’t see another Destruction band happening soon. Happy to be wrong, though.

Destruction has 12 'factions' within it. They can be broken down into Orruks, Grots, Ogors, Troggoths, and Gargants.
Orruks are broken into three factions--Ironjawz(which we've gotten), Bonesplitters, and Greenskinz.
Grots are Gitmobs, Spiderfangs, and Moonclan(which we look to be getting)
Ogors are Firebellies, Beastclaw Raiders, Maneaters, and Gutbusters.
Troggoths are just that.
Gargants are also just Giants.

There's a lot of room for additional Destruction factions, they just might be weirdly done or 'combined'. It's looking like Moonclan will have a Troggoth in their faction.

That's true. I do still have trouble picturing Ogors in Shadespire, though I suppose a team of two Maneaters/Gutbusters could be possible. For the Orruks and Goblins, the focus hasn't really been on Greenskinz and Gitmobs (them being the 'generic boys'), so I wonder if we'll ever see more of them. A gang of Bonesplitters would be possible, I suppose.

I’d be really surprised if we do not get any Elves this time. I’d also love Freeguild and Kharadrons, but they’re both not very magic-focused and might get us too many Order factions, so at least both seems unlikely.

Freeguild is in an interesting situation and I expect them to be getting a "Free Peoples" book instead of "Freeguild". It would bring them, Collegiate Arcanum, Devoted of Sigmar, and the human side of Ironweld Arsenal into one spot potentially.

If they handle the "Empire" humans the same as they've now done for Beastmen, then that would make a lot of sense. Having either a Collegiate Wizard with some "Freeguild" guards or a Witch Hunter with a Warrior Priest and some Flagellants could make for a nice Underwrodls warband (or one for Mordheim, I suppose! )

Really hoping we don’t get Nurgle and not a big fan of Slaanesh either - Darkoath would be cool, though. Hopefully we’ll know when people get their hands on the new rulebook.

I'm expecting Slaanesh. We had a mention of a Mirror since the same timeframe as us finding out about the Briar Queen so they've seeded past incidents with previews.

Agreed that Slaanesh makes sense even if I'm not too fond of them (though admittedly I'd have to see them first!). Like they're doing for Moonclan now, Underworlds might be the first place where "AOS-original" Slaanesh models crop up. (Same happened for Skaven and Deathrattle, even if those so far haven't been followed by more for their respective factions).

Stormsires Cursebreakers Faction Focus Up
Spoiler has the card images


Guys. Guys. We get Scatter Templates!

 Kanluwen wrote:

Guys. Guys. We get Scatter Templates!

While that all looks pretty neat, I'm still not entirely sure how I like these new magic rules as they complicate the game quite a bit compared to how easy to learn Shadespire is. As someone who primarily plays Underworlds against family not otherwise into Wargaming or Deckbuilding games, this may become an issue - and if so, I hope some of the new teams are useable in a non-magical version of the game as well.

Obviously that's a problem with how I play the game and not a serious complaint, but I really liked the whole "easy to learn, hard to master" angle, and I hope they don't stray too far from that with an ever-increasing ruleset.

 Sabotage! wrote:
With the 4 unrevealed warbands I hope we get Aelves of one flavor or another

I'd love that, even hoping they'd use Shadespire as sort of a sneak peak of models/factions to come.

Yeah, I'm not sure I was chomping at the bit for more rules on top instead of just more warbands.

Or more SC. If those at least had interesting poses, like bashibg someone over thw head with the staff in a double handed grip or anything. Stormsire is cool, the two others are Blandy McBlsndface and her vanilla brother.

I hope the 4 other factions are more like the gobbos with new stuff compared to current ranges.

I love that scatter template

Looks easy to use and adds a nice element being able to have attacks / effects that scatter, imo!

 Binabik15 wrote:

Or more SC. If those at least had interesting poses, like bashibg someone over thw head with the staff in a double handed grip or anything. Stormsire is cool, the two others are Blandy McBlsndface and her vanilla brother.

I hope the 4 other factions are more like the gobbos with new stuff compared to current ranges.

The Stormcast are Evocators, the Sacrosanct equivalent to Paladins. Their whole fighting style is either a two handed Grandstave(none of them feature it here) or the stave+sword as paired weapons(fluff is that they generate lightning arcs between the two weapons to deflect incoming ranged attacks and to deal damage to more enemies).

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:So what. If they have Nurgle miniatures for it, they'll just "these random nurgle guys ran into a weird portal and got stuck in Shadespire too .. the end"

GW makes models and than get's the low-tier guys in the company that nobody sits with during coffee break because it's bad for your career to write some fluff to go along with the miniatures, not the other way around.

And yet they had reasons for all of the original warbands to be there that weren't what you were describing...

Like what reasons

Let's take look at starter guys:

The fiend Magore Redhand leads his Blood Warriors through the Mirrored City, tracking the hated Stormcast Eternals with the aid of his loyal Flesh Hound, Riptooth. Should they fall upon their quarry, they will tear them apart, and with the blood of the fallen they will defile the Mirrored City so utterly that Khorne’s eye will be drawn to this damned place, and to the gory tributes of his loyal servants.

Replace 'Redhand' with 'Purpleclaw', 'Blood' with 'Excess', 'Flesh Hound' with 'Fiend of Slaanesh', 'Riptooth' with 'Dickface', 'defile' with 'decorate', there, completely new band! If the fluff is so unique replacing a few words suffice to justify replacing them with completely different band then maybe, just maybe, the 'reason' they were there was just flimsy excuse and you can prepare any number of similar excuses for anyone you want...

 Insane Ivan wrote:
While that all looks pretty neat, I'm still not entirely sure how I like these new magic rules as they complicate the game quite a bit compared to how easy to learn Shadespire is. As someone who primarily plays Underworlds against family not otherwise into Wargaming or Deckbuilding games, this may become an issue - and if so, I hope some of the new teams are useable in a non-magical version of the game as well.

And what you'd propose to replace magic system

They already ran out of possible variants (all numbers of minis in band besides six are taken, most with repetitions, too). Second season would be a clone of the first if they didn't add a completely new mechanic, like all ranged bands (which are hard to balance because they either fold to elite bands, or kill hordes from distance with zero risk to them). Adding magic is like adding ranged band with varying effects balanced by more opportunities to fail your rolls, while also being able to add new cards to make playing them more interesting than just declaring 'I fire my 3 crossbows at your leader, again'...

From Facebook, box art for the first two expansions.

Seems like it’s not just Tzaangor for the Tzeentch band, but Kairic acolytes too
The Moonclan band has at least four goblins and two squigs . Can’t see the Troll though, so either he isn’t shown, or he’s part of another band after all...

I like that Tzeentch hero, amazingly creepy

It's so awesome! But I don't understand... there's no troll and no flying squig.

I know they could not be pictured (apparently this is the case for some warbands already) but who would choose to not show the troll in the box art?

Edit: Zooming in it looks like a wizard (the large model above the rest), a fanatic, a netter, a squig herder, and two squigs.

 RiTides wrote:
It's so awesome! But I don't understand... there's no troll and no flying squig.

I know they could not be pictured (apparently this is the case for some warbands already) but who would choose to not show the troll in the box art?

Edit: Zooming in it looks like a wizard (the large model above the rest), a fanatic, a netter, a squig herder, and two squigs.

The absence of the troll is quite the mystery alright. With 6 models, the Moonclan band would already be one of the biggest... I’m guessing then that the Troll is part of another warband...

The Tzeentch band has a Tzaangor, Acolyte, Horror and that one-eyed sorceror guy. Quite diverse!

Didn't expect a fanatic, I guess the grot warband will be extra crazy. I am also surprised that the flying squig and troll aren't part of this warband...thought those were confirmed for the game. Either way both of these warbands seem pretty cool.

I wonder if 'big guys' may turn out to be another season 2 expansion,

so the troll may be a separate release that can be taken by the goblins (and maybe others) as an alternate to some of the boxed band

The Tzeentch band has a Tzaangor, Acolyte, Horror and that one-eyed sorceror guy. Quite diverse!

The second male cursebreaker's helmet looks super wierd. Way too small for a helmet.

I do so hope the Tzeentch warband comes with a new familiar... (and supplemental rules for use in Silver Tower)

Really like that the Tzeentch warband is so diverse. Was worried it was just going to be 4x hallucinogenic goats. Will make the wait for Nurgle/Slaanesh easier for me!