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Someone remembers Dungeons and Dragons - Venger



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Think I'll stick to $145 and decide on the rest later

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Tunneling Trygon






Should comfortably clear the $3M mark, but I'm doubtful it'll make the $3.5M that MD1 achieved.

Heavenfall Pledge definitely the best option there, quite frankly. I'm not surprised most of the other add-ons are KSE, they really are a bit crap. Gates of Hell is fine enough, it just isn't all that interesting, and the Four Horsemen are cool but not at that price.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Heh. Nice reference with that Vindicator.



They made all-in pledges with a small discount, but yeah that's not especially interesting if you take into account the shipping costs that may be updated later.

Last rush Hype is on for sure.
   
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[DCM]
Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Well I've got to admit I was wrong, one of the all in bundles was actually decent with just the expansions & conversion cards, and for a worthwhile discount too at $25 equivalent to a free expansion (as long as it isn't the WoK dragon)

it might well be where I end up, but I can't quite swing it immediately (and Vengur-ish is fun)

 
   
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Regular Dakkanaut





This campaign has engendered a lot of griping, but in the end I think it's a pretty sincere effort on the part of the makers to create a fun game with a lot of minis. I have been laughing though because so many people in the comments are like, "I hate this, you should have done this, this over here is a disgrace, I'm going all-in."

It's like a mafia boss out of a comedy movie, right when you think he's about to have you killed he fully accepts your offer.
   
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Still at $1. Most of the sculpts I'm interested are in the add-ons. Gonna see how HeroQuest Legends and CMON's He-Man turn out.

Zombicide: Green Horde for $55 on Amazon. 65+ miniatures. If you don't already know, one of the MD2 add-ons is a crossover pack with retail (?) Zombicide: Black Plague and Green Horde..
https://www.amazon.com/CMON-GUGGUF034-Zombicide-Green-Horde/dp/B079GWRRTD/

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Everything is easy when you expect someone else to do it. 
   
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Courageous Space Marine Captain





SoCal

Well, I’m committed to Ankh at this point. Hopefully Amazon or Miniature Market will have my back on MD2 in the years ahead.

   
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[.]






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For a campaign that seems a bit scattershot, and with some odd design choices, to be on the verge of equaling (or surpassing!) the original's funding total, while the world is still in the grip of a pandemic is...impressive!

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK



Daisy is a Gnome with a wild imagination that drives her to create many unusual (and efficient) things. In combat, she’s able to tap into the Darkness and use it in her skills in lieu of physical components. While in the shadows, Daisy has the ability to craft rarer items!



It’s hard to say if there’s anyone crazier than Ryff among the Lightbringers. Barking mad as he is, everyone agrees that he’s great company. When battling with the Lightbringers, Ryff makes good use of the sharp end of his lute, able to roll additional combat dice when facing close enemies. When hiding in Shadows, Ryff is able to play a particularly chilling song that staggers even his hardiest foes!

(guest bard looks gooood)


[img]https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/030/328/903/52d812d17152d0d83ec10318ffcb37e8_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1598321304&auto=format&frame=1&q=92&s=36e66cfd5e96d29438cc20c943e1bf91[img]
Victor may not be exactly a knight in shining armor, but perhaps that’s for the best! He's certainly an unconventional paladin. When traveling with the Lightbringers, Victor is able to seek aid from his connections: He may draw a token from the Rogue bag and use it for an extra Action. Better yet, when in Shadows, Victor may confer this bonus to all heroes Heroes with an aura!

(paladin)


 
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




Fine... you got me back CMON. Downgraded from Heavenfall to $1 and now I’m back up to Base.
Don’t think I’m interested in the Campaign but perhaps I will during the PM. But the crossplay ability offers double shifts for minis, and that and gives me a crazy amount of options.
The angry Carebear and Ponies helped lighten things up.

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[DCM]
[.]






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Who is "Sir Victor" supposed to remind us of, if anyone?

   
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Tunneling Trygon






Been identified as "Brancaleone da Norcia", the protagonist of two Italian comedies from 1966 and 1970, played by Vittorio Gassman.

Bit of a deep dive, but I guess it must have the cultural significance in that region that Monty Python and the Holy Grail had elsewhere.

I'm more confused by the fact it's 100% a Green Horde survivor. Was he scrapped from that campaign? Intended to be a future stretch goal if it was more successful? Would have thought they'd just save these things for a third Zombicide Fantasy game instead of haphazardly plugging it into MD2.
   
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Scouting Shadow Warrior




 Tim the Biovore wrote:


I'm more confused by the fact it's 100% a Green Horde survivor. Was he scrapped from that campaign? Intended to be a future stretch goal if it was more successful? Would have thought they'd just save these things for a third Zombicide Fantasy game instead of haphazardly plugging it into MD2.


I'm starting to suspect quite a few things are scraps from elsewhere. Certainly would explain some of the seemingly random additions and how some things seem so out of place.

Just them adding an extra paladin when there is no chance they will give you yet another of all the base classes seems silly after being so methodical with the 2 of each and 1 for each gender (except for wizard where they really dropped the ball). Guess they ran out of random roaming monsters to give us and had to do *something* since it got a little more than anyone expected. I think the last boss and the box is all thats coming now though.
   
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Yep. Scraps.

MM Sale. Includes Zombicide and Arcadia Quest. : https://www.miniaturemarket.com/landing?p=sale&sort=title+asc&sort=title%20asc

Everything is easy when you expect someone else to do it. 
   
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 ced1106 wrote:
Yep. Scraps.

MM Sale. Includes Zombicide and Arcadia Quest. : https://www.miniaturemarket.com/landing?p=sale&sort=title+asc&sort=title%20asc


Welp, that sale lets me finish up my Zombicide 1e collection (to maximize my usage of the 2e conversion pack coming with my KS) for super cheap. I'm definitely out on MD2, as this is a much cheaper, better feeling purchase.
   
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Regular Dakkanaut





I keep hearing people say that things seem random or look like reused pieces, but they never elaborate to explain what they mean. I've begun to assume it's just sort of a fancy way to say "I don't like the dragon," or "I don't like the punycorns," because people would prefer to make it sound like they have some sort of grand indictment of the whole game rather than admit their complaint just boils down to they don't like a thing and nobody is really listening.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





 Psychopomp wrote:
 ced1106 wrote:
Yep. Scraps.

MM Sale. Includes Zombicide and Arcadia Quest. : https://www.miniaturemarket.com/landing?p=sale&sort=title+asc&sort=title%20asc


Welp, that sale lets me finish up my Zombicide 1e collection (to maximize my usage of the 2e conversion pack coming with my KS) for super cheap. I'm definitely out on MD2, as this is a much cheaper, better feeling purchase.


I'm getting some of the $10 boxes for a fallout RPG. Best price on gouls you'll get.


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frankelee wrote:
I keep hearing people say that things seem random or look like reused pieces, but they never elaborate to explain what they mean. I've begun to assume it's just sort of a fancy way to say "I don't like the dragon," or "I don't like the punycorns," because people would prefer to make it sound like they have some sort of grand indictment of the whole game rather than admit their complaint just boils down to they don't like a thing and nobody is really listening.


I don't think people like the overall art direction, at least the ones complaining here, it's prevented me from backing.

There are some designs that are clearly out of place. We know the dragon and the italian guy were designed for other games. I'd argue the Jebediah and the constructs are too. That's not to say it's bad in general, I think we don't realize how often discarded designs are repurposed for other games. But since there's a general dislike of the overall art direction these just stand out more then normally would.

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Courageous Space Marine Captain





SoCal

frankelee wrote:
I keep hearing people say that things seem random or look like reused pieces, but they never elaborate to explain what they mean. I've begun to assume it's just sort of a fancy way to say "I don't like the dragon," or "I don't like the punycorns," because people would prefer to make it sound like they have some sort of grand indictment of the whole game rather than admit their complaint just boils down to they don't like a thing and nobody is really listening.


The dragon is pretty clearly a Wrath of Kings sculpt that was never produced. I’d love to buy it for a reasonable price...reasonable considering I bought a bunch of the retail WoK dragons when they were $10 each.

   
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Superior Stormvermin





Texas

frankelee wrote:
I keep hearing people say that things seem random or look like reused pieces, but they never elaborate to explain what they mean. I've begun to assume it's just sort of a fancy way to say "I don't like the dragon," or "I don't like the punycorns," because people would prefer to make it sound like they have some sort of grand indictment of the whole game rather than admit their complaint just boils down to they don't like a thing and nobody is really listening.

Sure.

A large number of the designs have thematic appearances to other products: Zombicide Black Plague, Wrath of Kings, Bloodborne, Massive Darkness 1 (obviously). This leads to the thinking that MD2 was an excuse/reason to put already paid for designs and sculpts into a profitable system...they were already there, so why not use them?

I am not really complaining, as I am also not backing MD2 (the only figure I am really interested in is Ryff...), but I find it interesting and financially sound for CMON to do this. It does lead to a less-coherent appearance for the product as a whole (see Trudvang or Blood Rage for coherency arguments), but as it is their current non-chibi dungeon-quest flagship line, it makes sense. That may actually be my main reason for not backing...I like uniformity in my games. Probably another reason why I like most of Rising Sun (seriously, could that have just not make a more accurate 3-Kingdoms expansion?) and the direction of Ankh.

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Regular Dakkanaut





Well I appreciate some specific examples. I have to say the theme makes sense to me and is quite cohesive within itself: yes there are a few specific examples which serve as exceptions that prove the rule, and they've been well covered and accounted for. Not to say people can't dislike the theme or find the theme too scattershot, because it is pretty scattershot. But I'm more surprised people aren't complaining that the theme swipes too much from too many things (D&D, Warcraft, Diablo, Warhammer) that it actually swipes from than being worried the minis are repurposed when they're not.

But generally I'd re-agree with myself, most whining in the KS comments and on BGG is just somebody doesn't like one thing and makes a sweeping statement about CMON or the project because that seems less whiny.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK



it's beaten MD1 so we get the king


 
   
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver



Olympia, WA

Very, very uneven content on this one but it ended up with enough of the good to get me at the base pledge. It helped that Hades was a really strong finishing sculpt for me. Maybe I'll add the horsemen if I'm feeling flush when the pledge manager happens.

If I Had a Rocket Launcher, I'd Make Somebody Pay 
   
Made in be
Longtime Dakkanaut





Well, it's done and they've unlocked the last stretch goal in the end.



FOMO won again for CMON.

An interesting end note, though :


We have many exciting projects brewing, but for now we’re focusing hard on our previous campaigns so that they can be delivered as soon as possible. Stay tuned to our Facebook page and Newsletter to be notified when we announce our next campaign.


...then, maybe we won't have lots of news for MD2's progression until they accomplished the previous campaigns...

That won't stop them from launching others KS to gather loads of insane money, certainly.
   
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Someone said the campaign had 149 miniatures. A good price, especially for the "Daddy Daughter" demographic.

MD2 also has twice the scenario content of MD1, although I didn't see the issues raised by BGG during early play on the TTS demo addressed in the comments.

And entire expansion dedicated to campaign play at least suggests that CMON will put more effort into making satisfactory campaign play.

Maybe if Jaws of a Lion calls for ponies and cupids in its first scenario, I'll pick up a pledge...

Everything is easy when you expect someone else to do it. 
   
Made in gb
Darkwolf



West Sussex, UK

Sarouan wrote:
Well, it's done and they've unlocked the last stretch goal in the end.



FOMO won again for CMON.

An interesting end note, though :


We have many exciting projects brewing, but for now we’re focusing hard on our previous campaigns so that they can be delivered as soon as possible. Stay tuned to our Facebook page and Newsletter to be notified when we announce our next campaign.


...then, maybe we won't have lots of news for MD2's progression until they accomplished the previous campaigns...

That won't stop them from launching others KS to gather loads of insane money, certainly.


I expect that we will still be progressing MD2 and updating us. They added that at the end as they usually announce the next Kickstarter in this message but they are not this time as they are not launching one as soon as usual but focusing on outstanding projects instead.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

I suspect that's what their review of the audit told them,

get some of the existing projects off the books without launching anything new since (if you believe them) the issues the auditor had problems with were down to 'debt' owed to KS backers without 'assets' to back them up as they spend the money to make the games, but they never stick around long enough to register


 
   
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CMON have uploaded 2 MD2 painting vids







   
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Fixture of Dakka






Eric Lang leaving CMON on the 1st of September, will continue to work in a freelance capacity.

https://cmon.com/press/eric-lang-steps-down-from-his-exec-role-at-cmon-to-focus-on-design-and-activism

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Longtime Dakkanaut





Interesting. I'm not the creative type so it's hard for me to understand why someone would turn down a steady paycheck for the chance at making wider variety of games but Eric is quite prolific and do just find I'd wager.

They also mentioned that Eric is working on, for CMON, a sequel to Blood Rage and a Cyberpunk 2077 game (think I've heard talk of that before). Interesting too see what Blood Rage 2 is since the point of the first one is the destruction of the world.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

He's also, now Ankh is a done deal finished his 'trilogy'

I wonder if he's got some ideas for games that don't involve minis? A lot harder for that sort of thing to get made by CMON, and even if they did a lot of the 'fans' just wouldn't get it as they're in it for the bling

 
   
 
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