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xerxeshavelock wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Current cultists are fine. I never understood why anyone would want to assemble a multipart kit for chaf that you need 100 of. Honestly I wish more basic troop kits followed the current push fit cultist route. You get 4 cadians in and realize they all assemble the same anyway, it's beyond stupid cutting, cleaning and gluing 6-8 contact points when they could easily be 1 or 2 piece models.

Agree completely. Maybe separate heads - but to get a Guardsman in a decent aiming position for example you end up using specific combinations of components, and half the squad needs moar choppin to look good. Basic, well posed frames that you can then customise with a choice of heads, backpacks, random kits would be my ideal.

Now, special and heavy weapons are then tricky to include in the same box. I'd hate if say each squads' meltagun was in the same pose. A separate box of say 5 differently posed monofit special weapons where you can mix up the specials would again be lovely. You could change the main gun and have backpacks/belt pouches for extra ammo.

The issue with Cultists is, the 5 pack you get from GW gives 3 autoguns, and 2 CCW.

Who ever mixes units? So even buying in bulk you'll have a disproportionate number. Scalping Dark Vengeance off of ebay doesent help GWs numbers


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At 15 bucks a box, you'll need to buy 5 kits for just 15 autoguns and 10 ccw guys.

I've never had anyone care what weapon the cultist is holding on the model. You just tell the other player what the cultist is holding. Either the whole unit is holding autoguns or the whole unit is melee weapon + pistol. As said above no one mixes, it just doesn't make sense to.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

xerxeshavelock wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Current cultists are fine. I never understood why anyone would want to assemble a multipart kit for chaf that you need 100 of. Honestly I wish more basic troop kits followed the current push fit cultist route. You get 4 cadians in and realize they all assemble the same anyway, it's beyond stupid cutting, cleaning and gluing 6-8 contact points when they could easily be 1 or 2 piece models.

Agree completely. Maybe separate heads - but to get a Guardsman in a decent aiming position for example you end up using specific combinations of components, and half the squad needs moar choppin to look good. Basic, well posed frames that you can then customise with a choice of heads, backpacks, random kits would be my ideal.

Now, special and heavy weapons are then tricky to include in the same box. I'd hate if say each squads' meltagun was in the same pose. A separate box of say 5 differently posed monofit special weapons where you can mix up the specials would again be lovely. You could change the main gun and have backpacks/belt pouches for extra ammo.

The issue with Cultists is, the 5 pack you get from GW gives 3 autoguns, and 2 CCW.

Who ever mixes units? So even buying in bulk you'll have a disproportionate number. Scalping Dark Vengeance off of ebay doesent help GWs numbers


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At 15 bucks a box, you'll need to buy 5 kits for just 15 autoguns and 10 ccw guys.

The Cultists were designed to work with Dark Vengeance and the Cultists contained within.

That said, I think if we see Cultists or Guardsmen getting any change it's to make them more like the Genestealer Neophytes. They're multipart but they don't feel tedious to assemble.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:


The issue with Cultists is, the 5 pack you get from GW gives 3 autoguns, and 2 CCW.

Who ever mixes units? So even buying in bulk you'll have a disproportionate number. Scalping Dark Vengeance off of ebay doesent help GWs numbers

I do - partly because I only have the cultists from the boxed set (just starting CSM), and partially because often half of them die off before they get to do anything, and I can tailor which half die off to suit what they finally get to do...

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Wasn't there talk of a Kult of Speed codex for Orks along with something for Wolves at the end of the year?

They can't both be right.

I can't see 2 more primarchs coming so quickly either. We've only just had Morty, relatively speaking.

IIRC, Orks were supposed to be June.

Orks were June, but a separate Kult of Speed release was allegedly slated for December.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I was talking about 4 point scrubs. Show me an army that has nothing but basic cultist equivalents? Doesn't happen

What, never seen the Poxwalker farm?

LMAO, your slaying me. So the meta net list that is hot this month, played by people who spray their models grey and dip them and don't rim mold lines just so they can field them from sandwich baggies should be where we look to for an example? I can promise you anyone who ever played or plays that list is thanking the lord almighty that poxwalkers and cultists are not comprised of 6-8 parts each. I own 5 horde armies, the multi part kits all become the same 3-4 poses. Multi part chaf is over rated. I am fine with them making command kits etc. But the basic infantry kit should save sprue space and give people 50% more chaf in an easy to build and paint mode.

You play necrons, are you seriously going to try to keep a straight face and tell me ANY of the necron kits end up with distinct variety, even the elite units have set assembly due to their weapons requiring a certain pose to fit.

 Irbis wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
But this means they might come before WE, and that's a shocker.

How?

Khorne already had a huge update, including that of most of centrepiece models and characters. EC were always more likely IMO as their update would add a lot to AoS range too...

Hastings mentioned 5 primarch getting model by name. Guillimann, Magnus, Mortarion, Russ, Angon. Seeing Hasting's track record that made(And still makes) World eaters lot more likely to come first than EC. After all most logical release for Angron is along side World Eaters. Albeit it's possible they release Angron without World eaters and then EC.

tneva82 wrote:
Hastings mentioned 5 primarch getting model by name. Guillimann, Magnus, Mortarion, Russ, Angon. Seeing Hasting's track record that made(And still makes) World eaters lot more likely to come first than EC. After all most logical release for Angron is along side World Eaters. Albeit it's possible they release Angron without World eaters and then EC.

Let me point out he also claimed there will be no more Codex books, and all rules will be found in model boxes in 8th edition. Also, according to him, in a post a year ago orks were supposed to be out 'soon', said GW will release plastic Thunderhawk and Bretonnia range, and a few other things. So, yeah, I'd take a few buckets of salt with his recent, much less accurate stuff

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Hastings mentioned 5 primarch getting model by name. Guillimann, Magnus, Mortarion, Russ, Angon. Seeing Hasting's track record that made(And still makes) World eaters lot more likely to come first than EC. After all most logical release for Angron is along side World Eaters. Albeit it's possible they release Angron without World eaters and then EC.

Let me point out he also claimed there will be no more Codex books, and all rules will be found in model boxes in 8th edition. Also, according to him, in a post a year ago orks were supposed to be out 'soon', said GW will release plastic Thunderhawk and Bretonnia range, and a few other things. So, yeah, I'd take a few buckets of salt with his recent, much less accurate stuff

The rules are in the boxes, at launch of 8th there weren't codexes and when he gave the work rumour they'd shown car designs of a buggy/skorcha I think it was. They were all fairly viable rumours at the time but he was always keen to point out he saw stuff in the very early stages of the design cycle.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Hastings mentioned 5 primarch getting model by name. Guillimann, Magnus, Mortarion, Russ, Angon. Seeing Hasting's track record that made(And still makes) World eaters lot more likely to come first than EC. After all most logical release for Angron is along side World Eaters. Albeit it's possible they release Angron without World eaters and then EC.

Let me point out he also claimed there will be no more Codex books, and all rules will be found in model boxes in 8th edition. Also, according to him, in a post a year ago orks were supposed to be out 'soon', said GW will release plastic Thunderhawk and Bretonnia range, and a few other things. So, yeah, I'd take a few buckets of salt with his recent, much less accurate stuff

This one still stings a bit. Was very hyped for a revamp of my Bretonnia army (only WFB army I played) and then they got squatted. sigh.

Hastings for many years was the go to rumour monger with a huge hit rate. I think he got phased out of the company in recent years (or the source he knew did) as he isn't as active any more - I could be wrong.

 NurglesR0T wrote:
This one still stings a bit. Was very hyped for a revamp of my Bretonnia army (only WFB army I played) and then they got squatted. sigh.

Hastings for many years was the go to rumour monger with a huge hit rate. I think he got phased out of the company in recent years (or the source he knew did) as he isn't as active any more - I could be wrong.

Yeah, he used to be very accurate, but around the Bretonnia bit his accuracy dropped like a stone, in both the quality and the quantity of the news. About last thing IIRC he got right were Dark Imperium contents and even then half of the info he said was already available elsewhere...

Dudeface wrote:
The rules are in the boxes

Wrong. Name one box with rules that isn't special one off.

Dudeface wrote:
at launch of 8th there weren't codexes

Wrong, Index is functionally identical to Codex, Dark Imperium has two mini-codex books for both sides, and we knew the Codex releases will follow before even DI was out.

Dudeface wrote:
and when he gave the work rumour they'd shown car designs of a buggy/skorcha I think it was.

Even if he was shown ork model designs, that still doesn't excuse why he said 'soon' (getting it completely wrong). Or, you know, plastic Sisters/Bretonnia he also claimed he saw.

Or, you know, starting the whole Plastic Thunderhawk nonsense GW already mocked in at least 3 videos WC did. As above, he used to be good, but that was 2-3 years ago.

Most likely GW found and plugged the source that was leaking to Hastings. no rumor source lasts forever, the company eventually WILL plug the leak.

 Irbis wrote:
Wrong. Name one box with rules that isn't special one off.

They all do. Granted there's a lot of pre-8th stock out there with old (or no) rules, but most of my recent purchases (a lot of Thousand Sons stuff, mostly) have come with the rules in the back of the instruction booklet.

Yeah anything packaged recently has dataslates

 Irbis wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
and when he gave the work rumour they'd shown car designs of a buggy/skorcha I think it was.

Even if he was shown ork model designs, that still doesn't excuse why he said 'soon' (getting it completely wrong). Or, you know, plastic Sisters/Bretonnia he also claimed he saw.

Or, you know, starting the whole Plastic Thunderhawk nonsense GW already mocked in at least 3 videos WC did. As above, he used to be good, but that was 2-3 years ago.

Or GW decided to change direction after he reported the information. Companies do that some time. Either way your grudge against Hastings is a bit silly.

Benn Roe wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Wrong. Name one box with rules that isn't special one off.

They all do. Granted there's a lot of pre-8th stock out there with old (or no) rules, but most of my recent purchases (a lot of Thousand Sons stuff, mostly) have come with the rules in the back of the instruction booklet.

All of the DG boxes come with their datasheets

 NurglesR0T wrote:

Benn Roe wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Wrong. Name one box with rules that isn't special one off.

They all do. Granted there's a lot of pre-8th stock out there with old (or no) rules, but most of my recent purchases (a lot of Thousand Sons stuff, mostly) have come with the rules in the back of the instruction booklet.

All of the DG boxes come with their datasheets

as have all Primaris and the new custodes stuff

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Kroot codex seems like the most natural extension given that they are the more populous mercenary group for the T'au. Then either Vespids (maybe finally expanding it beyond one unit), or client races... There's so many of them and some of them are pretty cool in their own right but don't get but much beyond fluff mentions.

A lot depends if they are bothering with new models or not.

We know that Marines will continue to have them churned out, most of the other factions have a single HQ unit - either new or re-packaged
Necrons have a new one
Knights are getting one.
Wolves will have to have their own super special Primaris and at least one other.
Sister might get a Codex or still be relegated to Agents despite being pretty prominent in the fluff, and being upgraded to having millions of active Sisters of Battle. They might even get a model.

Will they do a Custodes/Genestealer Cults launch with Kroot? Or is that now really reserved for "new" factions.

A Client races codex could be easily done with plenty of easy stuff. Having "human helpers" with pretty much Genestealer Cult rules would not be hard - but then they could also do that in a single White Dwarf article complete with conversion and paint guides - maybe stick a "guardsman" on the cover. its not hard.

I assume once the Dark Eldar, Necrons and Tau are out it will be back to Marines - so Emperor's Children and Primarch, Wolves and Super giant WOLF wulf Primarch and World Eaters and Primarch with other bits and pieces slotted in.

Its a pity we are not getting the background campaign, story etc support like Malign Portents for 40k.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Hastings mentioned 5 primarch getting model by name. Guillimann, Magnus, Mortarion, Russ, Angon. Seeing Hasting's track record that made(And still makes) World eaters lot more likely to come first than EC. After all most logical release for Angron is along side World Eaters. Albeit it's possible they release Angron without World eaters and then EC.

Let me point out he also claimed there will be no more Codex books, and all rules will be found in model boxes in 8th edition. Also, according to him, in a post a year ago orks were supposed to be out 'soon', said GW will release plastic Thunderhawk and Bretonnia range, and a few other things. So, yeah, I'd take a few buckets of salt with his recent, much less accurate stuff

I didn't say he's infallible. But he's been provenly pretty damn reliable so unless some other trustworthy says otherwise there's no reason to doubt his words. So far no trustworthy has said otherwise. Only some random speculation. But sure believe in random people with no track record over somebody with good track record

BrianDavion wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

Benn Roe wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Wrong. Name one box with rules that isn't special one off.

They all do. Granted there's a lot of pre-8th stock out there with old (or no) rules, but most of my recent purchases (a lot of Thousand Sons stuff, mostly) have come with the rules in the back of the instruction booklet.

All of the DG boxes come with their datasheets

as have all Primaris and the new custodes stuff

I bought a Bolter scout squad recently - had the rules too. So it's not even "new" stuff that's got them.

Not a single Ork model I've purchased in the last 9 months has had the correct rules contained within.

Point is, take Hastings' (and any) rumour with a pinch of salt.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Not a single Ork model I've purchased in the last 9 months has had the correct rules contained within.

Point is, take Hastings' (and any) rumour with a pinch of salt.

Ork models haven't been repackaged, outside of maybe the Start Collecting.

So, some French rumors :

http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/forum/10-40k-rumeurs-et-nouveautés/

(Since the Heachi / Temouloun case I won't name the - really reliable - source, but I'm sure you lot can easily find it) :

- End of spring : Drukhari codex (mid April) ; Harlequin codex (May) ; Kill Team (May-June).

- Summer : Imperial Knight codex (start August), Codex Space Wolves (end August), Gorkamorka (!!!) boxed game (September) - It will apparently be like the old game with new models (see the Orkish wheel Rumor Engine).

- November, December : Slaanesh (Daemons, maybe more Fulgrim ?), Orks Codex

A new Gorkamorka is a great way to introduce new buggy kits.

in the other hand, wasn't Gorkamorka a complete failure that nearly ruined Games Workshop?

 HorticulusDK wrote:


- Summer : Imperial Knight codex (start August), Codex Space Wolves (end August), Gorkamorka (!!!) boxed game (September) - It will apparently be like the old game with new models (see the Orkish wheel Rumor Engine).

If this is true it looks like I will have to sit on the Forgebane Armiger's longer than I thought. And it looks like the DW will be the last (Imperial)SM force to get a 8th Codex.

 Galas wrote:
A new Gorkamorka is a great way to introduce new buggy kits.

in the other hand, wasn't Gorkamorka a complete failure that nearly ruined Games Workshop?

Printing it in alternative languages didn't work well (because they did far to many)

but I think the English version did pretty well for itself

Bring on the EC!

We should be receiving another Primarch anytime too, yes?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
We should be receiving another Primarch anytime too, yes?

A loyalist at that, Russ or the lion is the general thinking.

 HorticulusDK wrote:
So, some French rumors :

http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/forum/10-40k-rumeurs-et-nouveautés/

(Since the Heachi / Temouloun case I won't name the - really reliable - source, but I'm sure you lot can easily find it) :

- End of spring : Drukhari codex (mid April) ; Harlequin codex (May) ; Kill Team (May-June).

- Summer : Imperial Knight codex (start August), Codex Space Wolves (end August), Gorkamorka (!!!) boxed game (September) - It will apparently be like the old game with new models (see the Orkish wheel Rumor Engine).

- November, December : Slaanesh (Daemons, maybe more Fulgrim ?), Orks Codex

Well this rumour is either very incomplete or wrong. GW will have done 5 codexes in the first 3 months of 2018 and and about 2 codexes a month since launch. To suddenly taper off and take 9 months to do the next 6 codexes would be very strange.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Galas wrote:
A new Gorkamorka is a great way to introduce new buggy kits.

in the other hand, wasn't Gorkamorka a complete failure that nearly ruined Games Workshop?

Printing it in alternative languages didn't work well (because they did far to many)

but I think the English version did pretty well for itself

I bought it and feth yes for ork terrain... I need that ork fort in plastic!!!!
This will complete my 4 seperate 6x4. Narrative campaign boards....

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