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Don’t understand the 4chan quote. I think anyone who plays the game even in a casual atmosphere can look at a warscrolls rules, then at its point cost and immediately know if the cost is out of whack.

Regardless, I think people imagine playtesters as having way more sway then they actually do. Russ has diplomatically alluded to that in previous videos.

The vibe I got was that it was a solid change. They are still useable and the change was moderate to my mind. I’d say there are definitely more egregious balance offenders that needed addressing before the dragon riders, but this seemed like a unique case.



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Certain rumors from certain forums that Cinderfall Gaming didn't mentioned or I just skipped to the slide he uploads to YT and didn't realized:

- OBR in January. Arteks and Liege on monster. Right.
- IDK vs FS in a box in april. The hell? Why? They don't hate each other like the rival Chaos Gods do, why would they have a two armies in a box deal?
- Ogors mid year. Right.
- GSG vs StD near Xmas. Because is cool to rumour about Gitz being part of a two armies box.
- Malerion and trademarked Shadow Elves Q1 2023. I think he has to arrive in this edition.
- Seraphon and Skaven 2023, but not a double box, instead massive revamp for older models. The Greater Plan knows that Lizardmen will have new models for TOW, but given the fact that they are focusing first on the old Empire and surroundings continent, I don't expect them to be a priority in a longer while.
- Then Khorne, LRL, Sylvaneth and Cities. I mean, that's specific but everybody will have a new tome sooner or later...
- Narrative, Nagash is at it again, Ollynder related, new faction, "Silent People". What?
- StD now includes BoC because BoC are unimportant, bad, unfixable or a combination of the previous three, I guess.
- Total of three new factions: Shadumbraneth Aelves, Silent People and CHORFS.
- Bastions of Order, who knows when. Kislev models compatible with AoS, justified as a city in northen Ghur. But aren't the realms pretty much endless?
- 4E 2026. LRL vs Slaanesh. >Insert Shrek opening meme here<
- They removing every single non-Thunderstrike SCE with an upgraded Thunderstrike version. Just like they did with Firstborn Spess Muhreens. ¬¬
- Upgrade sprues for the new dragons with mage and wizard parts. I mean this one wouldn't be surprising at all.

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 nels1031 wrote:
Don’t understand the 4chan quote. I think anyone who plays the game even in a casual atmosphere can look at a warscrolls rules, then at its point cost and immediately know if the cost is out of whack.

problem is, if you have play testers that don't play the game but just look at units to say if they are fine or not, there is no playtesting

looking at individual units in a vaccum but never playing the whole army against other factions is the point why GW's balance is off in the first place (which they promised to change with external playtesters

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I swear this site is falling further and further. Are we really posting screenshots from 4chan of all cesspits?

I forgot that we need to wait for rumours to quoted on spikeybits or BOLS until we are allowed to post them here (with all romours we get fro years now are either from 4chan or reddit)

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I swear this site is falling further and further. Are we really posting screenshots from 4chan of all cesspits?

The /tg/ AoS threads are probably more positive than the Dakka ones to be fair.
   
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 kodos wrote:
An AOS playtester admitted on stream that he did not play with the new Stormcast, leading to the nerf on dragons.
I think it is about this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxwbcfT1fF8

Edited by ingtaer - please check that screenshots posted here do not contain swearing.


Even had he played would it have mattered? GW isn't exactly known for even asking about point values from playtesters...In fact opposite.


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 CMLR wrote:
Certain rumors from certain forums that Cinderfall Gaming didn't mentioned or I just skipped to the slide he uploads to YT and didn't realized:.


Believability: Zero. Has there been ever actual reliable rumours for 5 years ahead? And lol at 4e at 2026. That's way too late for GW's new release cycle. They want to press print me some money button faster than that.

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With the sprue photos on GW store at least we can resolve the argument- the horizontal creases in big dragons' wings are sculpted, not connection points
   
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Just a quick little thing. My Holga came in today and I noticed something interesting; the peg on her foot is hexagonal and the 32mm base actually has a hexagonal hole in it.

I've never seen that before. Is this something new or just a quirk of the "commemorative" models?

Regardless, I'm just happy she doesn't have a tactical rock like my other champion or my Archaon-on-foot.


 
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Eh? 120€ is normal for huge based Special Character leaders. This is the first release in a while without a price hike. All those unsold Dominions, Octariuses and Harrowdeeps littering shelves worldwide must have hit home.


120€ being normal is the problem, right there. That is insane.
   
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 KidCthulhu wrote:
Just a quick little thing. My Holga came in today and I noticed something interesting; the peg on her foot is hexagonal and the 32mm base actually has a hexagonal hole in it.

I've never seen that before. Is this something new or just a quirk of the "commemorative" models?

Regardless, I'm just happy she doesn't have a tactical rock like my other champion or my Archaon-on-foot.

Its pretty common. A lot of boxed set stuff has that- pretty sure all of indomitus had hex pegs rather than round ones.

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GW has been building a few more casual "get the model build and on the table to play fast" features into models. PushFit features that let people get into playing fast.

I figure the idea is that it means a selection of models can be bought, built and (without glue or paints) thrown on the table to play with right there an then. Creating a quick reward system for people to lure them in.

This design ethos likely bleeds into other things, like how they design pegs for models now. So even models that aren't in the push-fit system might well start to bare hallmarks of those design elements - like hex pegs.

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 CMLR wrote:
Certain rumors from certain forums that Cinderfall Gaming didn't mentioned or I just skipped to the slide he uploads to YT and didn't realized:

- OBR in January. Arteks and Liege on monster. Right.
- IDK vs FS in a box in april. The hell? Why? They don't hate each other like the rival Chaos Gods do, why would they have a two armies in a box deal?
- Ogors mid year. Right.
- GSG vs StD near Xmas. Because is cool to rumour about Gitz being part of a two armies box.
- Malerion and trademarked Shadow Elves Q1 2023. I think he has to arrive in this edition.
- Seraphon and Skaven 2023, but not a double box, instead massive revamp for older models. The Greater Plan knows that Lizardmen will have new models for TOW, but given the fact that they are focusing first on the old Empire and surroundings continent, I don't expect them to be a priority in a longer while.
- Then Khorne, LRL, Sylvaneth and Cities. I mean, that's specific but everybody will have a new tome sooner or later...
- Narrative, Nagash is at it again, Ollynder related, new faction, "Silent People". What?
- StD now includes BoC because BoC are unimportant, bad, unfixable or a combination of the previous three, I guess.
- Total of three new factions: Shadumbraneth Aelves, Silent People and CHORFS.
- Bastions of Order, who knows when. Kislev models compatible with AoS, justified as a city in northen Ghur. But aren't the realms pretty much endless?
- 4E 2026. LRL vs Slaanesh. >Insert Shrek opening meme here<
- They removing every single non-Thunderstrike SCE with an upgraded Thunderstrike version. Just like they did with Firstborn Spess Muhreens. ¬¬
- Upgrade sprues for the new dragons with mage and wizard parts. I mean this one wouldn't be surprising at all.


4E in 2026 would be shocking. The three year update cycle has become part of GW's rhythm over the last six years or so. It would make some sense to have a bit of delay given COVID, but it's not like they've had a slow year releasing new models and rules. While there is always some grousing, the new edition launches seem to help sales. Interesting if true!
   
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Voss wrote:
Its pretty common. A lot of boxed set stuff has that- pretty sure all of indomitus had hex pegs rather than round ones.


I think the newest models I bought before this were the B&N reboxed Blackstone Fortress guys (Admech, Servitor, Crusader, Female Psyker, & Rogue Trader) and they had slottas. Before that, I got the reboxed Chainraps (slotta) VS SCE's (round pegs). So the hex-pegs were new to me.

The Holga model comes off the sprue so nicely with little to no cleanup. She's gonna be a joy to paint..


 
   
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Std???

What a weird faction acronym. Who are they?

Edit: slaves to darkness obviously

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4E in 2026 would be shocking. The three year update cycle has become part of GW's rhythm over the last six years or so. It would make some sense to have a bit of delay given COVID, but it's not like they've had a slow year releasing new models and rules. While there is always some grousing, the new edition launches seem to help sales. Interesting if true!


It's been a difficult year for the British Empire so delay is unsurprising. At this point in the release cadence 40k already had 5 or so books out(to be fair quite a few of them were supplements) whereas AoS is struggling with two updated tomes. With how slow AoS is starting off I'd say it would be a bad move to do an edition update change too soon. Same goes for 40k with a lot of codexes being delayed over the past year and near future.
   
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Hard to know what’s going on with the rumours there’s a lot coming out of 4chan with none shown to be correct yet - but few disproven as GW seem to be behind on AoS releases.

One thing mentioned by Rob on the Honest Wargamer is that the winter FAQ has been leaked so it should be due soon. Only thing he mentioned was Kragnos up to around 800 pts but gains a 5+ ward and a version of Mightier makes rightier

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 DaveC wrote:
Hard to know what’s going on with the rumours there’s a lot coming out of 4chan with none shown to be correct yet - but few disproven as GW seem to be behind on AoS releases.

One thing mentioned by Rob on the Honest Wargamer is that the winter FAQ has been leaked so it should be due soon. Only thing he mentioned was Kragnos up to around 800 pts but gains a 5+ ward and a version of Mightier makes rightier



Groan. Yet another price increase for kragnos? Okay ward is nice but seeing how junk he is now...

Well at least solves 150 pts handicap my behemoths been playing with after last kragnos price hike.

Hopefully he now at least is worth it. Funny how worst model behemoths can field got price hike first.

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5+ ward is equivalent to 50% extra wounds (and 50% extra healing). It's a pretty big buff. Wouldn't say it's 800 points buff though.

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Supposedly mawkrusha goes up 70, gore gruntas 30.

Both would be expected, mawkrusha more than i expected. Guess no luck on superior loadout costing more

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It's also an issue of point costing with or without the amulet of destiny.

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tneva82 wrote:
Supposedly mawkrusha goes up 70, gore gruntas 30.

Both would be expected, mawkrusha more than i expected. Guess no luck on superior loadout costing more


Where is that info coming from?

Not disputing it, I just want to view it and any other changes.

edit: Looking at previous posts, I guess Honest Wargamer with the leaks?

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Don't watch honest wargamer. This was from orruk group.

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Had a chance to listen last nights Honest Wargamer AoS show and other than those changes covered above they also mentioned

LRL Wind Spirits - lose retreat in opponents phase
Pink Horrors - up to 255 pts.
   
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Losing the ability to retreat on the Wind Spirits removes them as a viable unit.
   
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No, it removes non fun playing experience where those invalidate entire armies.

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If the only way for them to be viable is to be as obnoxious as they were good ridance. I'm sick of Lumineth rules being basically "we broke all general rules of the game. Like, all of them"

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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The Lumineth army suffers from having a ton of viable units that are all worse and harder to use than the battleline.

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 DaveC wrote:
Pink Horrors - up to 255 pts.


And probably a new Warscroll, too, since it feels like they get one every time the wind changes. It feels like GW is trying to just price them out of the game.

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tneva82 wrote:
No, it removes non fun playing experience where those invalidate entire armies.

Nah, not really. It removes an element that people actually had to interact with and couldn't just spam tarpits at.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
No, it removes non fun playing experience where those invalidate entire armies.

Nah, not really. It removes an element that people actually had to interact with and couldn't just spam tarpits at.
You're wrong. Some armies had no reasonable means of dealing with this exploit. It was unfun and entirely unnecessary for the unit to be viable. If you personally cannot figure out how to use the unit without such an ability then it shows just how much of a crutch it really was.


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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Pink Horrors - up to 255 pts.


And probably a new Warscroll, too, since it feels like they get one every time the wind changes. It feels like GW is trying to just price them out of the game.
I'm not so sure; it is a very difficult mechanic to get right but I think GW has finally landed on a version that works. They are just undercosted atm, a bump to 255 would be appropriate in my eyes. Keep in mind that 10 pink horrors is 50 wounds worth of models, and that the unit actually increases in effectiveness when splitting into blues; 10 pinks that suffer 10 wounds turn into 20 blues with 33% increased offense and double the model count.

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