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although being able to physically mount your models in their dropships is a useful option, it's not an absolute requirement, so it's not the end of the world if you construct them in a way that stops them carrying their intended loadout

still, never hurts to be informed beforehand, it would suck if people, in their haste, ended up with dropships that they can't use in the way they wanted

I belive that hawk have carrage tokens on the website to down load so whats the big problem just use them!

Yeah it is a good point but I will not be magnetizing, except perhaps the gun.

Not sure about PHR, but I anticipate large army deals being normal game sized, so looking at that should help you figure out what to add to the starter.

Also I am the only one who has received my order out of my friends so far, just FYI for those waiting.

Also I am the only one who has received my order out of my friends so far, just FYI for those waiting.

Thanks for letting us know. I was starting to wonder.

What I meant was, someone who lives 20min from me is still waiting, so obviously some orders got held up in customs or the like- it is not location dependent.

Anyone playing this game in the greater Toronto area?

Regards

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Druidic wrote:Orlanth, May I congratulate you on your fine pedantry. The vehicles shape remains unchanged, but on the locations of mounting lugs for the vehicles it transports you would insist on your opponent buying multiple dropships or magnetising them...... well done!

If you build a Leman Russ kit, do you just add any guns, or carefully choose one loadout.

While a stock Russ can 'count as' a Punisher it isn't quite right really.

Just a comment that people might switch over their Despoilers rapidly in the above lists, yet the models might be lagging behind.

I worked out that of my six Condors three will need two brackets all the time and one will need two brackets most of the time, two will need three brackets all the time, and one most of the time. Thus I only need to magnetise one Condor and I can work any reasonable combination.
Foresight can be useful.

I don't think WYSIWYG applies in this game to this degree. Could be wrong though.

Don't think wysiwyg applies unless your oponenet demands it in general...

The Deathless Host wrote:I belive that hawk have carrage tokens on the website to down load so whats the big problem just use them!

Carriage tokens are all well and good, but a dropship has brackets for large and medium vehicles.

As you can extract on any compatible dropship you could have a situation where Reapers come in on a Marauder then Invaders leave on it. At which point That Guy says, well you said it didn't matter how many brackets it has. Even if some dropships have different mixes of brackets its easier to pull a switcheroo deliberately or by accident. Also if a player wants to prevent all the Invaders getting off he know he deeps to kill the two bracket Marauders and the six bracket Despoilers. If you have a disguised one floating around, whose fault is ity that it is overlooked.


Putting carriage tokens on the wrong type of dropship is the same as putting a sticker on a Russ saying this is a Punisher. A good player is accomodating of 'counts as' but a good player also tries to minimise the amount of times they have to use proxies. It is far better if players carefully choose the dropships that they need and either magnetise or buy enough.

As for considering the issue pedantic, thats the attitude same as turning up with the wrong stuff because you really cannot be bothered and saying 'you gotta problem with that'. The extra effort is a courtesy.


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I relly think this issue will come to a head soon, funnily enough over PHR. Now PHR dont have changable brackets, thats all well and good, but what they do have is a highly variable loadout on Tritons.

Tritons either come cheap, or armed to the teeth. Both options have their uses and it is very likely it may be better to take a mix for various purposes. Sometimes you want a dropship to lift guys around a lot (Tritons carrying sirens), other just dump them there and can spend the game as a gunship (some Tritons carrying Immortals).

If I was playing against PHR I would like to know what Tritons are armed, hell I would want to know if I was playing them. A sticker will do but actually modelling some budget Tritons and some well armed ones is better.

Are you positive Invaders or heavy tanks can't get on a Marauder that carried light tanks, Orlanth? I.e., do you have the rules yet and can you quote the page number?

Additionally, I thought Scourge dropships were one-way, I.e. cannot be re-embarked. The flavor text on Hawk's site says so.

So, I think we need a clear look at the rules before jumping to conclusions either way on what dropships can pick back up.

RiTides wrote:
Additionally, I thought Scourge dropships were one-way, I.e. cannot be re-embarked. The flavor text on Hawk's site says so.

You are the one jumping to conclusions. Many scenarios involve extracting objectives claimed by infantry, Scourge use the same mission profiles.

The one way nature of Scourge dropships means they cannot climb the gravity well, they still provide aerial transport.

That'd be great! However, I take it from your reply that you have no idea if light and heavy tanks can re-enter the same drop ship. Which is fine, but you should say so, since others here have the rules already and could answer your question (since it should have been a question, not a statement).

Charax or others who have received their book, could you check whether or not a different kind of tank can enter another's drop ship? It is a good point to consider.

Its very obvious.

Look at what you can fit in an Albatross or Despoiler.

For example a Despoiler can include Slayers or Tormentors, you cannot add Hunters or Reapers, though you can squadron with them. The reverse is also true.

Likewise you can add Gladius and Scimitar to the same Albatross, you cannot add Rapiers to it, through you can have Rapiers in the same squadron and Rapiers can add to Sabres in the same Albatross.

Let logic be your guide.

RiTides wrote:Charax or others who have received their book, could you check whether or not a different kind of tank can enter another's drop ship? It is a good point to consider.

This should answer your question, from pg46 of the rulebook.

The transport/s are attached to the parent squad and cannot be used to move other squads

Obviously there are exceptions to that in the form of the shared dropships (UCM sabres and rapiers in one albatross etc).

I agree with you- however, it may simply not be in the rules. I will know myself soon enough either way- as I am hoping the US distributor will be shipping soon

Edit: Ninja'ed! I was wondering if they'd be tied to their own squad. Do Shaltari get an exception?

RiTides wrote:I will know myself soon enough either way- as I am hoping the US distributor will be shipping soon

Good luck with that. I ordered through FirestormGames who are based in the UK and they havent shipped to me yet, meaning they havent received anything yet. Seems as if only the direct orders have gone out smoothly.

RiTides wrote:Ninja'ed! I was wondering if they'd be tied to their own squad. Do Shaltari get an exception?

I've not even looked at those rules yet. They look "interesting."

Bummer Rat!

Nick- Get on it

Still waiting for packages to arrive stateside :(

Does anyone know of any shops that have the product?

My local will be, though I'm not sure how helpful that will be if yo don't live near San Diego

I just wanted to report I just recieved my order in Michigan. Unfortunatly I was missing a few models from my scourge army deal namely a set of hunters and a set of invader apcs.

RiTides wrote:

Edit: Ninja'ed! I was wondering if they'd be tied to their own squad. Do Shaltari get an exception?

They must have, as you can move from one gate to another on the battlefield. I'd check but have lent out my book for the week to another player.

gojira- Email them, Dave said they'd send out my missing Scourge parts.

My friend got his stuff this evening, as well! Including a rulebook but hasn't had a chance to look through it all yet.

Gates are bought for the army, they're not tied to a specific squad or battlegroup

Orlanth, it's probably my fault for the way I treat all wargamming, the models are extremely desirable, but entirely incidental. I pretty much NEVER play anyone other then close friends or family who feel the same way so never offend anyone with my radical ideas.

That is not to say I don't spend hundreds of hours re-sculpting models, casting my own parts for them, and in the case of one army hand sculpting iconigraphy on every figure, I just don't believe it is neccessary to play or enjoy the game, it's just an added bonus.

Been asked before if I'd play against a complete proxy army, I said sure and we stuck bits of paper on figures with blue tac so we knew what was what! Played against 2d printed out armies, played against bases with nothing on them but a postit note.


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And you probably don't want to see.my terrain collection!

But then again its all "stored" in a 19ft long £5000 log cabin purpose built for wargamming, so trust me, non of it's about being cheap or lazy either, it's just not as important to me as the game!


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Another Facebook live chat today, delayed till 11am! You got questions, ask the man direct!

Rat wrote:

RiTides wrote:I will know myself soon enough either way- as I am hoping the US distributor will be shipping soon

Good luck with that. I ordered through FirestormGames who are based in the UK and they havent shipped to me yet, meaning they havent received anything yet. Seems as if only the direct orders have gone out smoothly.

From what I understand firestorm should have received their stock yesterday and should be shipped out by the end of the week depending how many orders they have to fill.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:

Rat wrote:

RiTides wrote:I will know myself soon enough either way- as I am hoping the US distributor will be shipping soon

Good luck with that. I ordered through FirestormGames who are based in the UK and they havent shipped to me yet, meaning they havent received anything yet. Seems as if only the direct orders have gone out smoothly.

From what I understand firestorm should have received their stock yesterday and should be shipped out by the end of the week depending how many orders they have to fill.

Not according to Rob from Firestorm, got an email from him today saying they are still waiting.

You are not the only one waiting for Firestorm. Everyone else round here has their except me.

I went cheap on startup.

Now that my friend received his order, I'm hoping for a test game this coming week. Not sure how I'll get ready, though, since I still need to read the rules myself