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 Theophony wrote:


I’d love to see the chaos tick possessed and turned into a chaos marine spider centaur, I think they were driders in dungeons and dragons. It would be a neat idea for the one possessed warpsmith they have referred to.

forgot about those dudes, creepy looking. they'd be pretty rad in partial mechanical form!

I think it's pretty likely that guy is a posessed character, rather than a squad leader. He might be an elite or maybe an HQ.

However, he doesn't seem to be the only possessed model in the works. That crab claw that we've seen is part of another model, and I'm not sure the feet match either.

>1 possessed probably equals a unit of them, I think. But I'm not sure.

In any case, as with the CSMs themselves, new models for units with bad rules are kind of no use. I really hope we get both so that you start to actually see power-armoured models in CSM armies.

To me, it feels like greater possessed is an upgrade for a possessed unit, Maybe from the master of the possessed, a’la Fabius Bile..

Yeah I don't have high hopes for the Greater Possessed. They'll be a melee unit that will die before it can get into melee because, like most things, it will either have to footslog up the board, be put in an overpriced transport, or deepstrike outside of 9", fail a charge, and then get shot in the next turn anyway, relying completely on a 3+ armor save, maybe 2 wounds, maybe a 5+ invul save. None of that will stop the unit, which will likely be overpriced for its offensive abilities, from being wiped out by a unit of hellblasters that'll somehow be half the price.

Probably chaos Lt equivalent

drbored wrote:
Yeah I don't have high hopes for the Greater Possessed. They'll be a melee unit that will die before it can get into melee because, like most things, it will either have to footslog up the board, be put in an overpriced transport, or deepstrike outside of 9", fail a charge, and then get shot in the next turn anyway, relying completely on a 3+ armor save, maybe 2 wounds, maybe a 5+ invul save. None of that will stop the unit, which will likely be overpriced for its offensive abilities, from being wiped out by a unit of hellblasters that'll somehow be half the price.

Well now that we know everything is terrible, we can just scrap the whole release I guess. Maybe if we're lucky they'll just squat the entire faction and save us the trouble.

drbored wrote:
Yeah I don't have high hopes for the Greater Possessed. They'll be a melee unit that will die before it can get into melee because, like most things, it will either have to footslog up the board, be put in an overpriced transport, or deepstrike outside of 9", fail a charge, and then get shot in the next turn anyway, relying completely on a 3+ armor save, maybe 2 wounds, maybe a 5+ invul save. None of that will stop the unit, which will likely be overpriced for its offensive abilities, from being wiped out by a unit of hellblasters that'll somehow be half the price.

As someone who plays in order to push little plastic men around a table with a friend and make blim-blam noises, I'm thrilled for these new models and will be including them in my CSM army, regardless of their rules. Because fun!

Well there is always the chance that the alternative build for the venomcrawler is a transport.

 fraser1191 wrote:
Probably chaos Lt equivalent

Already exists as the exaulted champion. could be a posessed specific buffer maybe one that lets you roll 1d6 instead of 1d3 for additional attacks?

I just can't get past the pose.

BrianDavion wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
Probably chaos Lt equivalent

Already exists as the exaulted champion. could be a posessed specific buffer maybe one that lets you roll 1d6 instead of 1d3 for additional attacks?

Cards on the table I'm not overly familiar with chaos, but I'm gonna have to be when I get the box.

Well I have no idea what they could be other than beat stick then.

drbored wrote:
Yeah I don't have high hopes for the Greater Possessed. They'll be a melee unit that will die before it can get into melee because, like most things, it will either have to footslog up the board, be put in an overpriced transport, or deepstrike outside of 9", fail a charge, and then get shot in the next turn anyway, relying completely on a 3+ armor save, maybe 2 wounds, maybe a 5+ invul save. None of that will stop the unit, which will likely be overpriced for its offensive abilities, from being wiped out by a unit of hellblasters that'll somehow be half the price.

Since normal possessed are 2 wounds, 3+/5++ I'd expect at least 3 wounds here and maybe an fnp on top. Will they need to footslog? Probably. They will likely be reasonably quick, have ways of moving twice readily available and if you take renegades/red corsairs, advance and charge.

Exalted Champion kind of fills both Lieutenant and {company/chapter} champion, so my guess is brawler and/or daemon + heretic astartes buffers, esp. since the BL raptor lord only buffs the basic unit and not warp talons.

Yea they'll prob be pretty decent character stats with a simple rule like possessed within 6 get buffed

BrotherGecko wrote:Well there is always the chance that the alternative build for the venomcrawler is a transport.

Umm it doesn't look that big... its like a 60mm base from the looks of it. What do you imagine it transporting?
We do know its suppose to weaken reality and make it easier for daemons to manifest around it. So I guess we can think of it as a Daemon's transport.

 aka_mythos wrote:

BrotherGecko wrote:Well there is always the chance that the alternative build for the venomcrawler is a transport.

Umm it doesn't look that big... its like a 60mm base from the looks of it. What do you imagine it transporting?
We do know its suppose to weaken reality and make it easier for daemons to manifest around it. So I guess we can think of it as a Daemon's transport.

I thought it looked like a 100mm base, which would make it pretty chunky.

Not that familiar with Codex CSM, but are "Demonkin" a thing in the book? Its a word that GW seem to be using a lot when they talk about the Chaos half of Shadow Spear. And it feels like they may be setting it up as some kind of proto subfaction keyword, in the same way that they use "Primaris" in the SM books.

 Starfarer wrote:

drbored wrote:
Yeah I don't have high hopes for the Greater Possessed. They'll be a melee unit that will die before it can get into melee because, like most things, it will either have to footslog up the board, be put in an overpriced transport, or deepstrike outside of 9", fail a charge, and then get shot in the next turn anyway, relying completely on a 3+ armor save, maybe 2 wounds, maybe a 5+ invul save. None of that will stop the unit, which will likely be overpriced for its offensive abilities, from being wiped out by a unit of hellblasters that'll somehow be half the price.

Well now that we know everything is terrible, we can just scrap the whole release I guess. Maybe if we're lucky they'll just squat the entire faction and save us the trouble.

This is the most sensible option. It would save us from a ton of complaining threads on dakka.

I for one have had little to zero interest in anything chaos ever. But this new stuff is really calling @ me to start a renegade force. the primaris stuff is why I'm buying the box but now instead of selling the chaos side, I wont.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Not that familiar with Codex CSM, but are "Demonkin" a thing in the book? Its a word that GW seem to be using a lot when they talk about the Chaos half of Shadow Spear. And it feels like they may be setting it up as some kind of proto subfaction keyword, in the same way that they use "Primaris" in the SM books.

No. It honestly sounds like a new keyword to separate the various csm daemon hybrid units from the proper daemons and "fix" the fact that as things stand these CSM units can benefit from the effects in both the CSM codex and Chaos Daemons codex. That is something of an outlier advantage and a surprise that it hasn't been addressed given the approach they've taken with this edition it really seemed unintentional. Personally I liked these CSM units being able to benefit like that, but GW.

Said it before imo and a guess but daemonkin will prob be a keyword you buy for a detachment with cp like the viglius book does for marines that unlocks rules relics etc

 aka_mythos wrote:

BrotherGecko wrote:Well there is always the chance that the alternative build for the venomcrawler is a transport.

Umm it doesn't look that big... its like a 60mm base from the looks of it. What do you imagine it transporting?
We do know its suppose to weaken reality and make it easier for daemons to manifest around it. So I guess we can think of it as a Daemon's transport.

The artwork places it in the area of being on a 100-150mm base. Otherwise its about the same size as the obliterator. Either way, it is a reality defying, laughing in the face of physics, non-real organic machine made of iron, souls and nightmares. So why couldn't it just poop out possessed or chaos marines like a monolith?

The Onager Dunecrawler comes on a 130mm, possibly same there. Any larger would be frankly ridiculous.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:

BrotherGecko wrote:Well there is always the chance that the alternative build for the venomcrawler is a transport.

Umm it doesn't look that big... its like a 60mm base from the looks of it. What do you imagine it transporting?
We do know its suppose to weaken reality and make it easier for daemons to manifest around it. So I guess we can think of it as a Daemon's transport.

The artwork places it in the area of being on a 100-150mm base. Otherwise its about the same size as the obliterator. Either way, it is a reality defying, laughing in the face of physics, non-real organic machine made of iron, souls and nightmares. So why couldn't it just poop out possessed or chaos marines like a monolith?

Yeah, I think you're right. The more I look and think on it... it's probably meant to be the chaos counter part to the Mechanicus dunecrawler. That base is 130mm. I think what threw me off was that someone said the guns were heavy stubbers (making it like the smaller and clearly wrong one in my bellow pictures). Clearly they're more autocannon/reaper autocannon sized.

When you put them next to each other is seem pretty plainly they're on the same size base.
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Damn, I just thought that its equilavent of Blight-hauler and never really thought about its size.

@ aka_mythos: thanks that helps visualize it nicely.

Sotahullu wrote:
Damn, I just thought that its equilavent of Blight-hauler and never really thought about its size.

I thought so too but the artwork consistently is placing it much larger than a blight-hauler.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So there are Primaris Possessed now?

Aiight...

More 40k Gal Vorbak. Those are pretty big, too.


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 BrotherGecko wrote:
I'm wondering if the greater possessed is a new unit or what will be a squad upgrade. Seems kind of silly to create another unit of possessed. Unless this is GW's compromise for advancing their game by keep the old stuff in place for those that don't want to buy anything new.

Like they have been doing for every Primaris Unit?

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Not that familiar with Codex CSM, but are "Demonkin" a thing in the book? Its a word that GW seem to be using a lot when they talk about the Chaos half of Shadow Spear. And it feels like they may be setting it up as some kind of proto subfaction keyword, in the same way that they use "Primaris" in the SM books.

It used to be one encompassing demon units (IIRC: demon prince, possessed, warp talons, obliterators, mutilators). I agree with Lastro that it will probably become a bought detachment keyword, if it's not just <legion> dudes with the daemon keyword.

I play CSM Renegades and use almost zero Chaos models (never cared for them), but if the Greater Possessed isn't a character, it may be the Primarization of Chaos. Bigger models, a couple extra attacks, wounds, etc.

It's neat to see CSM get so many toys/units which I won't be buying (but I'll kit-bash if the rules aren't obnoxious).

I'm getting "Chaos Abominant" vibes from this Greater Possessed.

According to the new bit of vigilus fluff that we got today when the spider demon engine thing dies, smaller versions of itself and other horrific creatures come out of it, maybe it is a transport for possessed?
Also apparently the flying primaris dudes weapons shot missiles of some sort.