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i'm not sure there's a player alive who would look at this index and think "THIS is what will finally make me buy lucius's model"

easier to kitbash one than to track down the old model, if someone is really sold on this

Two datasheets is so bad its hilarious, but keeping positive its a very strong nod to not only a glorious launch box but also a combat patrol bundle as well.

It'll be worth the wait.

To be fair they don't have any other unique models to their name right now for 40K. There just isn't much else to really give them.


I'm sure once the release comes it will be awesome - dedicated noise marine models; new leaders; possibly terminators; a unique couple of models for infantry etc....

It'll be interesting to see what they do. It's seemed a bit strange the one facet Slannesh Cult marines latched onto was making noise. Ha. I suppose it speaks more to the time they were last updated that GW was still doing those sorts of gags.

Seeing changes to 10th edition so far, I'm wondering if we might see a new Troupe Master model. I'm guessing that the existing model - included in the Troupe kit - will instead become the Lead Player, and Troupes will become units of 6-12. An example of this would be the Tyranid Prime, which has been demoted to unit leader with the introduction of a Winged Prime.

And its also high time that Harlequins recieved a combat patrol in White Dwarf...

I'm guessing that Eldar Support weapons and Vypers will be revamped soon. Even without discount they're pretty good value compared to other kits, and I certainly don't see GW standing for that for much longer! I think I might order some more just to be on the safe side, just in case they decide to release "improved" kits with a hefty new price tag to go with them...

SamusDrake wrote:
Seeing changes to 10th edition so far, I'm wondering if we might see a new Troupe Master model. I'm guessing that the existing model - included in the Troupe kit - will instead become the Lead Player, and Troupes will become units of 6-12. An example of this would be the Tyranid Prime, which has been demoted to unit leader with the introduction of a Winged Prime.

And its also high time that Harlequins recieved a combat patrol in White Dwarf...

I'm guessing that Eldar Support weapons and Vypers will be revamped soon. Even without discount they're pretty good value compared to other kits, and I certainly don't see GW standing for that for much longer! I think I might order some more just to be on the safe side, just in case they decide to release "improved" kits with a hefty new price tag to go with them...

I think harlequins are a regret of the studio and will be left to slowly be legended, but support weapons aren't *that* old for Eldar, they were 5th ed I think?

SamusDrake wrote:

I'm guessing that Eldar Support weapons and Vypers will be revamped soon. Even without discount they're pretty good value compared to other kits, and I certainly don't see GW standing for that for much longer! I think I might order some more just to be on the safe side, just in case they decide to release "improved" kits with a hefty new price tag to go with them...

Shut your mouth! If the suits realize that they actually made a kit designed to allow you to swap weapons we're doomed.

 Arschbombe wrote:

Shut your mouth! If the suits realize that they actually made a kit designed to allow you to swap weapons we're doomed.

Sorry!

 Dawnbringer wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what they do. It's seemed a bit strange the one facet Slannesh Cult marines latched onto was making noise. Ha. I suppose it speaks more to the time they were last updated that GW was still doing those sorts of gags.

I saw some video on YouTube a few weeks ago speculating about what else GW could do to distinguish the EC, and they hit on the idea of having squads dedicated to each sensation, so in addition to Noise you'd have Sight, Scent, etc. Of course, once you get to Touch it gets a bit weird, but it is Slaanesh...

Hmm

Sound = Sonic Guns
Touch = Close combat weapons
Taste = Feral close combat unit (no weapons just claws and jaws)
Sight = Laser based guns
Smell = elite leader alluring unit (debuff unit)

I'd like it if the Emperors Children didn't get unique terminators, but instead got some form of elite chosen instead. Something almost like honour guard. Quick and agile, artificer armour as opposed to the unwieldy battering rams that terminators are.

And instead of new daemon engines, maybe unique versions of the existing vehicles with proper sonic weaponry on them. Although I would be more than happy with new daemon engines with sonic weaponry.

 Overread wrote:
To be fair they don't have any other unique models to their name right now for 40K. There just isn't much else to really give them.


I'm sure once the release comes it will be awesome - dedicated noise marine models; new leaders; possibly terminators; a unique couple of models for infantry etc....

Uh huh. Us Worldeaters say good luck with that. Let us know how it turns out.

Is that the same World Eaters which have:

Angron Primarch of Khorne
Kharn the Betrayer
Lord on Juggernaught
Eightbound
Jakhals
Lord Invocatus
Exalted Eightbound
Khorne Berzerkers



Now granted some of those are still core models but they all fit the Khorne theming and styling.

I will agree Nurgle seems to have it best, with one of the wider varieties of infantry and machines

 Overread wrote:
Is that the same World Eaters which have:

Angron Primarch of Khorne
Kharn the Betrayer
Lord on Juggernaught
Eightbound
Jakhals
Lord Invocatus
Exalted Eightbound
Khorne Berzerkers



Now granted some of those are still core models but they all fit the Khorne theming and styling.

I will agree Nurgle seems to have it best, with one of the wider varieties of infantry and machines

Break that down properly by kits I think:
Angron
Mounted character
Eightbound
Zerkers
Jakhals

Note that kharn came earlier and was not in the WE wave.

Dudeface wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Is that the same World Eaters which have:

Angron Primarch of Khorne
Kharn the Betrayer
Lord on Juggernaught
Eightbound
Jakhals
Lord Invocatus
Exalted Eightbound
Khorne Berzerkers



Now granted some of those are still core models but they all fit the Khorne theming and styling.

I will agree Nurgle seems to have it best, with one of the wider varieties of infantry and machines

Break that down properly by kits I think:
Angron
Mounted character
Eightbound
Zerkers
Jakhals

Note that kharn came earlier and was not in the WE wave.

WE got some stuff that charge in for the wanton slaughter like they dont give a darn, and that pretty much cover their full personality and style.
EC could well do with many niche specialists that is somewhat harder to play with, kind of like Aspect warriors (would be a fun thing for slaaneshians to mock the silly elfdar elite)

WE also pretty clearly still have a second wave coming soon. like the art of the berzerkers on juggers from the codex that doesn't tie into a model. like with votann, that seems to be how they're handling new armies these days

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
WE also pretty clearly still have a second wave coming soon. like the art of the berzerkers on juggers from the codex that doesn't tie into a model. like with votann, that seems to be how they're handling new armies these days

I think thousand sons are still waiting for theirs.

Terrain MTO is up, £85 for the void shield generator seems insane, how much were they first time around?

When I said I could be persuaded to a brace of VSGs? Not when they’re £85 a pop I can’t.

 Tamereth wrote:
Terrain MTO is up, £85 for the void shield generator seems insane, how much were they first time around?

I paid £60 in 2016 (looking at my emails).

I'm pretty liberal with my hobby spending but when I saw that price tag my gut reaction was WTF. I went from 100% I'll get one to a hard nope.

When I think of what else I can get for that sort of money hobby wise I just can't justify it.

Inflation calculator says £60 from 2016 would be £80 today. So a £5 mark up. But I always thought £60 was a bit steep to start with compared to contemporary terrain in 2016. So it comes off very poorly now.

Dudeface wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
WE also pretty clearly still have a second wave coming soon. like the art of the berzerkers on juggers from the codex that doesn't tie into a model. like with votann, that seems to be how they're handling new armies these days

I think thousand sons are still waiting for theirs.

I'm not convinced they're getting one. Options are a little limited when 98% of the legion is Made of Dust. I certainly wouldn't mind some exclusive daemon engines, though, or some form of psychic dreadnought (why aren't these a thing yet?!).

HH has a psychic dread. maybe if they ever make a new helbrute kit

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:


I'm not convinced they're getting one.

I'm sure that once EC arrive GW will start to flesh out* other legion ranges some more. But a second wave for any of the legions would have been much harder to justify before we have all four of them established.

*or 'dust out', in the case of tsons ..

Didn't Nurgle get two waves or just one utterly massive one as they seem to have way more options? I know Tzzentch got boosted a bit as well cause the birdy people cross over with their AoS release

 Overread wrote:
Didn't Nurgle get two waves or just one utterly massive one as they seem to have way more options? I know Tzzentch got boosted a bit as well cause the birdy people cross over with their AoS release

Death Guard had the big advantage of being the starter army for 8th so they naturally got more releases.

 Matrindur wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Didn't Nurgle get two waves or just one utterly massive one as they seem to have way more options? I know Tzzentch got boosted a bit as well cause the birdy people cross over with their AoS release

Death Guard had the big advantage of being the starter army for 8th so they naturally got more releases.

Ahh that makes sense - heck perhaps EC will be the starter for 11th.
That would give them a leg up considering they've 1 leader and 1 conversion kit right now, so basically nothing.

i imagine part of the issue with ksons is that their range was made right before the new SM scale was implemented, so GW might not want to do new infantry since it would look out of place next to the first wave

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i imagine part of the issue with ksons is that their range was made right before the new SM scale was implemented, so GW might not want to do new infantry since it would look out of place next to the first wave

A new GK vs TS battle box with new models would solve the problem for both sides. One infantry box and one terminator box for both sides would solve most the units, then it is just character models needing updated.