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 Elbows wrote:
Or this whole lack is simply an elaborate April Fool's joke.

If GW actually starts selling 'War'ter next week then maybe...

I wonder if the problem lies with GW's increased release rate of the last few years. In April alone they are releasing 2 army books a full range of new minis and this boxed game. That is a massive ramp up from a few years ago when a game like this would have had a month to itself.
It is also probable that the studio have very little say about how many copies of a new product is produced.

Coupled with that if you read the Facebook pages and this forum, the overwhelming majority of posts were something along the lines of 'what a load of crap! Where's my real Necromunda?'

The obvious solution is to have a much longer preorder window to gauge demand more accurately but I don't see GW doing that any time soon.

The upside of this is that the public has shown that there is very high demand for this type of game so a new Necromunda from the specialist studios team is looking like a much more viable product.

Hey folks! A lot of fantastic information here. I'm not 100% new to 40k but I certainly have never delved into the gaming side of it.

Considering picking up either Harlequins or Necrons for a gang. Could someone give me a general overview on playstyle?

I know it was also mentioned in another post that models costing over 100 pts also require promethium cache, so harlequins won't have access to "free" units to buy, whereas at least necrons will have weaponless warriors.

Cheers

 NivlacSupreme wrote:


You're part of the problem. Maybe if you know it's limited, don't buy two.

If it wasn't limited I'd have brought four or five.

I have Orks and Marines... so as Necromunda is one of my fave GW games, combined with the fact I have both armies in the set.. this was a total no brainer for me.. really, annoyed GW fethed it up, as I'd have brought more.

My fear on the matter is, the terrain was one of the key things with this release, and its limited due to the fact GW didn't want to let too much of the terrain go for discount and that's not even taking note of the Orks and Scouts in the box.. going on the pre order prices for the terrain its £105, with the models about £130, so you are saving £50 at GW price, almost getting it for half from a discounter.

nou wrote:

richstrach wrote:
They don't even have to do a full print run of the rulebook to make it available - they already have the print files (obviously), and the costs for print on demand or automatic stock replenishment are negligible. They could have have it up on the website to order separately from day one. It makes no sense at all that the whole game was apparently a one-shot deal, but I am glad they're backtracking and putting out a PDF version.

Obviously, you don't really know how print industry works, do you? Minimal offset print run is 500 copies, just to make making print plates and setting up the machine worthy. "On demand" digital print of comparable quality is ridiculously more expensive...

I work in publishing, i know perfectly well how it works. Pretty much everything we do now is digital printing set to ASR, and while the quality isn't as good as litho, I reckon it's more than serviceable for this kind of product (a paperback rulebook).

Chikout wrote:
I wonder if the problem lies with GW's increased release rate of the last few years. In April alone they are releasing 2 army books a full range of new minis and this boxed game. That is a massive ramp up from a few years ago when a game like this would have had a month to itself.
It is also probable that the studio have very little say about how many copies of a new product is produced.

Coupled with that if you read the Facebook pages and this forum, the overwhelming majority of posts were something along the lines of 'what a load of crap! Where's my real Necromunda?'

The obvious solution is to have a much longer preorder window to gauge demand more accurately but I don't see GW doing that any time soon.

The upside of this is that the public has shown that there is very high demand for this type of game so a new Necromunda from the specialist studios team is looking like a much more viable product.

As much as I hate this whole "sold out armageddon" and spend the whole morning trying to find any Polish retailer that still had a copy to order, I wouldn't realy overestimate the real demand for either Necromunda or Shadow War in absolute numbers... For internet to go into flames today, it is enough that only a hundred people missed their purchase window. And because both Dakka and FB fanpage are WORLDWIDE, the actual demand/dissapointment ratio can be a lot smaller than it seems. Of course this is ridiculous, that a game hyped for two weeks goes "sold out" in ten minutes, but I woundn't judge just how much of "missed profit" there really is in this whole situation just by internet cursing today... FB thread is only a 100 posts long, for the entire week long hype and there are just about a dozen people asking for restock...

Just noticed that all this week's preorder are limited to one per order. I wonder if GW is having some supply issues that they are not talking about.

It's not £105 of terrain though - you don't get the full Galvanic Magnavent

So, say £80 - £90 of terrain. You're making a bit of a saving if you're only interested in terrain (which presumably is what multiples is the aim of)

It's a good deal if you want the Orks and Scouts though

Ah wasn't aware of that.. will need to get another of those as well as the extra platforms then.

edit - and yeah terrain is the main reason, the two armies is an added bonus to justifiy the cost, especially as I am a real big fan of Scouts.. considered doing a 10th Company more than once.... also planning to play the game with three to four players... so going to need a load of terrain for this.

I'm pretty sure it's down to Titanicus not appearing,

they needed a box game for roughly the previous slot and shadow war was moved up, and used a lot of the publicity slots they had originally penned in for those sweet, sweet titans (and probably had far shorter production window because of it hence the small number for sale)

I think you get all the platforms, just not the big tower thingy, whatever odd name they are calling that.

It's actually more annoying they stuck that in with the platforms when those are the useful bits than the starter selling out so quickly

richstrach wrote:

nou wrote:

richstrach wrote:
They don't even have to do a full print run of the rulebook to make it available - they already have the print files (obviously), and the costs for print on demand or automatic stock replenishment are negligible. They could have have it up on the website to order separately from day one. It makes no sense at all that the whole game was apparently a one-shot deal, but I am glad they're backtracking and putting out a PDF version.

Obviously, you don't really know how print industry works, do you? Minimal offset print run is 500 copies, just to make making print plates and setting up the machine worthy. "On demand" digital print of comparable quality is ridiculously more expensive...

I work in publishing, i know perfectly well how it works. Pretty much everything we do now is digital printing set to ASR, and while the quality isn't as good as litho, I reckon it's more than serviceable for this kind of product (a paperback rulebook).

I agree, that they could do something like this downgrading quality to something like B&W softcover, but this would go against this whole "highest quality, premium games company" marketing attitude GW goes by... And I assume they are not printing anything in-house.

Disappointing from GW on a couple of levels

Firstly, this was going to be my first GW purchase for a while and was looking forward to it. Planned to read the GK rules and then pop an order in. To find it out it's sold out already seems crazy

Secondly, after the disappointing re-hash of Kill Team, I was hoping for GW to support a good Skirmish rule set. The fact of this being limited, and it appears no plans originally to release the rules separately (know changed thankfully) it just seems like it's another of those throw away box sets that GW has been pumping out recently.

Only hope is that GW realise the level of interest around this, and re-think the limited run and level of support.

Chikout wrote:
Just noticed that all this week's preorder are limited to one per order. I wonder if GW is having some supply issues that they are not talking about.

That is interesting. Seems to be on everything except the Warlord novel and OFC the digital versions. The Talons of the Emperor box was/is also limited to one per order as well. It could be a supply problem, or could a fair bit of there capacity may be tied up with something else(8th ed 40k)? Or it could be GW's way of trying to stop stuff selling out so quick and they really messed up with the Shadow war stock.

Sold out in less than 20 minutes? Damn.

I'm glad I pre-ordered mine at the FLGS, here's hoping though that GW still has stock for those..!

Hopefully it's just the same as what happened with the Kill Team box - that's OOP but the digital rules are still up on the Black Library site (or Warhammer Digital, whatever it is now). I don't know why they went to so much trouble advertising it though if it was just going to be limited, it's baffling!

Really think they've shot themselves in the foot with this one. This could have been a massive gateway drug to 40k

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Just noticed that all this week's preorder are limited to one per order. I wonder if GW is having some supply issues that they are not talking about.

That is interesting. Seems to be on everything except the Warlord novel and OFC the digital versions. The Talons of the Emperor box was/is also limited to one per order as well. It could be a supply problem, or could a fair bit of there capacity may be tied up with something else(8th ed 40k)? Or it could be GW's way of trying to stop stuff selling out so quick and they really messed up with the Shadow war stock.

Likely it's a hold-up somewhere on the printing end. Talons of the Emperor included booklets with rules for the Custodes/Sisters and many of the other "1 per order" items of late have been printed material, not models.

The Blades of Khorne book is limited to 1 per order; but remember it includes a freebie set of Blood Tithe(read: magicy bits) cards.
The Warscroll Cards are limited to 1 per order; but remember that's basically some cards with the warscrolls printed on them.

The remaining 3 items for Blades of Khorne are bundles that include those two items--why wouldn't they be limited to 1 per order? There was a few instances in the past where items would be "limited to 1 per order" individually but not in bundles--which led to issues where people who ordered individual items wouldn't get them because people bought bundles en masse.

Also worth noting that they might think that people are planning on "splitting" these boxes and sharing out rules, group-style. A long shot on my end but it wouldn't be the first time.

Having a look through the additional KT pdf. The Tyranid one seems pretty weird - it's entirely warriors with not a single Gaunt or Ripper or Gargoyle to be seen. Which, alright, not something I'dve expected but I can get behind. But then the special operatives are a Prime, a Ravener and a Zoan - where the hell is the Lictor?? You know, the bioform tailor made for these sort of behind enemy lines infiltration missions...

Will still probably give Nids a go, but seems like a pretty glaring oversight from someone who likely doesn't know the Nid fluff well and has shoehorned them in using the kits available in plastic.

The Lictor isn't available as a plastic model.

When do preorders typically hit the US site?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
When do preorders typically hit the US site?

Anywhere from 12:30 EST to 1:10EST.

Just be checking the preorder bit, not the main page. The main page updates a few minutes after the preorders do.

I wonder in how many minutes the US site will sell out?

Benlisted wrote:
Having a look through the additional KT pdf. The Tyranid one seems pretty weird - it's entirely warriors with not a single Gaunt or Ripper or Gargoyle to be seen. Which, alright, not something I'dve expected but I can get behind. But then the special operatives are a Prime, a Ravener and a Zoan - where the hell is the Lictor?? You know, the bioform tailor made for these sort of behind enemy lines infiltration missions...

Will still probably give Nids a go, but seems like a pretty glaring oversight from someone who likely doesn't know the Nid fluff well and has shoehorned them in using the kits available in plastic.

As BrookM said, lictors are only resin. But that being said, the actual Tyranid Kill Team actually seems powerfull.

nou wrote:

Benlisted wrote:
Having a look through the additional KT pdf. The Tyranid one seems pretty weird - it's entirely warriors with not a single Gaunt or Ripper or Gargoyle to be seen. Which, alright, not something I'dve expected but I can get behind. But then the special operatives are a Prime, a Ravener and a Zoan - where the hell is the Lictor?? You know, the bioform tailor made for these sort of behind enemy lines infiltration missions...

Will still probably give Nids a go, but seems like a pretty glaring oversight from someone who likely doesn't know the Nid fluff well and has shoehorned them in using the kits available in plastic.

As BrookM said, lictors are only resin. But that being said, the actual Tyranid Kill Team actually seems powerfull.

I also did suggest that that may be why they aren't in there (see bold)! Yeah, not disagreeing that they seem good, but it seems a bit weird to be running a Nid KT without Lictors and Gaunts...

Back on "sold out armageddon", I might have a some sort of a "will see shortly" answer to this. The actual "Shadow War: Armageddon" might not be sold out at all, only this 25% discounted version is. A kind of "April Fools" prank with a benefit for those who fell for it. One retailer in Poland had his first batch sold and now it has an info about a restock in april but now listed for a "proper" WD price. This would answer every confusion about WD prices, non-available separate terrain kits and very limited run...

There was word of a potential restock, but independent retailers were told not to hold their breath.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also worth noting that they might think that people are planning on "splitting" these boxes and sharing out rules, group-style. A long shot on my end but it wouldn't be the first time.

Sadly, if they think that, Its people like me that miss out, and GW miss out on getting my cash. I dont have a group, if I want a rule book now I will have to either go ebay and pay some ridiculous price or hope I catch one going up on the trade groups at the right time. If I could buy the rulebook, I'd have no issue on buying the terrain separately, and for slightly more, as I missed out on the starter box. The minis in the box would just go in the conversion pile, and I'm happy to make my own tokens/source some templates as I prefer 3d tokens anyway, that fit more into the game.

If I could buy a copy of rules I'd still spend money on the terrain, as for warbands I have tons of minis already waiting to be used. Its really the rulebook and the huge mech/servitor spider I wanted, the rest of the terrain is nice, but I will buy what I need from the smaller kits. As for now, I have no use for buying the terrain on its own, as I cant get the rulebook.




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nou wrote:
Back on "sold out armageddon", I might have a some sort of a "will see shortly" answer to this. The actual "Shadow War: Armageddon" might not be sold out at all, only this 25% discounted version is. A kind of "April Fools" prank with a benefit for those who fell for it. One retailer in Poland had his first batch sold and now it has an info about a restock in april but now listed for a "proper" WD price. This would answer every confusion about WD prices, non-available separate terrain kits and very limited run...

No, GW made it clear on facebook this morning that the game was limited run and is now sold out. The terrain is coming out on its own, and the prices are higher (one of the blogs had some pictures of the prices) GW said that the rules will become a digital download, but no more books at this time.

 RexHavoc wrote:

nou wrote:
Back on "sold out armageddon", I might have a some sort of a "will see shortly" answer to this. The actual "Shadow War: Armageddon" might not be sold out at all, only this 25% discounted version is. A kind of "April Fools" prank with a benefit for those who fell for it. One retailer in Poland had his first batch sold and now it has an info about a restock in april but now listed for a "proper" WD price. This would answer every confusion about WD prices, non-available separate terrain kits and very limited run...

No, GW made it clear on facebook this morning that the game was limited run and is now sold out. The terrain is coming out on its own, and the prices are higher (one of the blogs had some pictures of the prices) GW said that the rules will become a digital download, but no more books at this time.

I follow this whole day so I know all of this, but a lot of things just don't add up: usually we have posts on Warhammer-community on "releas saturday" for the whole day. And on FB page. Today it is not the case, GW is strangely silent and those statements about limited run might still be a part of this elaborate prant. The price is oddly reduced, there are no terrain kits etc.. And last couple of months GW was all about good relations with community. If I'm right, then Armageddon stock will be back up, with all what was advertised in WD either today at NZ midnight or as soon as Aprils Fools in US is over.

This isn't something GW would prank about.