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Companies don't take things off sale as a 'prank' and lose money. Maybe, just maybe, they have sold out?

Indeed. The amount of lost sales would definitely not be worth it.

Just found an UK online store with some stock, possibly:
https://justplaygames.uk/collections/pre-orders/products/shadow-war-armageddon

'80-'90 GW would most certainly do such thing, this recent "brand new" GW also could.
But well, as I said, we'll see soon if I'm right or wrong about this.

Interesting question is this: given how this day has developed already, would it be worse to actually go out of stock that fast or pull off such prank?

Well this is honestly a big let down. I normally don't get too bothered by most of GW's weird decisions, but frankly this is just baffling, and makes me extra anxious for any eventual release of a Necromunda reboot. Seems they may not realize how much people love the Necromunda rules set, or how much demand there was for 40k units in these rules.

I was planning to buy two sets just to start and eventually build a full, dense 4x4 table, despite having enough Necromunda terrain for a dense 6x4 table. Now it seems I'll have to hope I can preorder one from the GW store locally and maybe get lucky getting another online. Of course it's possible I could get none.

Pretty frustrating it's always two steps forward, one step back with GW. I thought they were really getting how popular the Inquisimunda scene was becoming and trying to support it while still catering to general 40k players. Just hope they see what's in front of them and do a proper reprint of this box. Otherwise it's going to die on the vine before it can even really get released.

I wish I'd snagged a couple of sets...parting them out on eBay would actually make you money (particularly considering some people have snagged them for $101 shipped). People will probably buy the box set for $200+ because...people. Or the hardback rulebooks will sell for large prices from those people fortunate enough to grab a couple sets.

nou wrote:
'80-'90 GW would most certainly do such thing, this recent "brand new" GW also could.
But well, as I said, we'll see soon if I'm right or wrong about this.

Interesting question is this: given how this day has developed already, would it be worse to actually go out of stock that fast or pull off such prank?

A prank is way worse. You don't piss off your customers over a childish prank that most people over 16 don't even think about. They have stockholders to answer to and if I owned there stock, I would dump all of it if they did a prank that impacted sales in any way. It's bad business and no one benefits. Also pranks should usually be funny, and I don't see how this would be funny for any parties involved.

nou wrote:

But well, as I said, we'll see soon if I'm right or wrong about this.

Gonna go out on a limb and say you're wrong right now.

 Starfarer wrote:
Well this is honestly a big let down. I normally don't get too bothered by most of GW's weird decisions, but frankly this is just baffling, and makes me extra anxious for any eventual release of a Necromunda reboot. Seems they may not realize how much people love the Necromunda rules set, or how much demand there was for 40k units in these rules.

I was planning to buy two sets just to start and eventually build a full, dense 4x4 table, despite having enough Necromunda terrain for a dense 6x4 table. Now it seems I'll have to hope I can preorder one from the GW store locally and maybe get lucky getting another online. Of course it's possible I could get none.

Pretty frustrating it's always two steps forward, one step back with GW. I thought they were really getting how popular the Inquisimunda scene was becoming and trying to support it while still catering to general 40k players. Just hope they see what's in front of them and do a proper reprint of this box. Otherwise it's going to die on the vine before it can even really get released.

As a genuine question, why not just buy the kits separately? If buying only for terrain there's only a little saving and buying separately you can choose how much of each you get without it being a fixed bundle

Vorian wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
Well this is honestly a big let down. I normally don't get too bothered by most of GW's weird decisions, but frankly this is just baffling, and makes me extra anxious for any eventual release of a Necromunda reboot. Seems they may not realize how much people love the Necromunda rules set, or how much demand there was for 40k units in these rules.

I was planning to buy two sets just to start and eventually build a full, dense 4x4 table, despite having enough Necromunda terrain for a dense 6x4 table. Now it seems I'll have to hope I can preorder one from the GW store locally and maybe get lucky getting another online. Of course it's possible I could get none.

Pretty frustrating it's always two steps forward, one step back with GW. I thought they were really getting how popular the Inquisimunda scene was becoming and trying to support it while still catering to general 40k players. Just hope they see what's in front of them and do a proper reprint of this box. Otherwise it's going to die on the vine before it can even really get released.

As a genuine question, why not just buy the kits separately? If buying only for terrain there's only a little saving and buying separately you can choose how much of each you get without it being a fixed bundle

Because I want the extra rulebooks for my gaming group and the terrain is at a discount in the box. Also it's the fact that its just a throwaway release and not a new specialist game with further support, so no Inquisition, no Daemons, and no one will be playing it a year from now. Might as well stick to Necromunda like I have the past 10 years.

Basically it just makes me not want to reward GW with hundreds of dollars for terrible business decisions.

There is NO way this is a prank. You don't do an April fools joke that will cost you money.
Landmine who is a popular American retailer said on Twitter a few days ago that it was a limited run and the US allocation was 4,000 copies. He was not sure if that included online or not.
I expect the worldwide allocation to be 10,000 copies which is apparently double the usual first printing of a game.
I remember hearing that the reboot of space hulk did three runs of 5,000 copies each when it first came out.

It is possible that GW thought that doubling the usual print run would be sufficient and that demand has far outstripped that.
It is also possible that GW is holding a large percentage of the print run back to sell in stores next weekend.

Don't understand why GW don't take backorders on product.

You have to have inbound stock to take backorders, else you take orders you cannot supply. If a reprint wasn't already in the works you wouldn't set up for backorders.

Vorian wrote:


As a genuine question, why not just buy the kits separately? If buying only for terrain there's only a little saving and buying separately you can choose how much of each you get without it being a fixed bundle

Because its more expensive- if the blog photos are too be believed (I was sure they were in this thread some where but I cant see them now, If I cant find them again I will link them) there is three sets of terrain, one was priced at €40 and one at €50, cant remember the third price. Thats almost the price of the set for just the two sets on its own- and I'm not sure if everything will be in there, I've seen no mention of the spider mech thing. Plus (the biggest issue) some of us wanted the printed rules- I cant stand digital rules. My choice is to either get digital rules, which will be over priced, or buy off ebay, which will be really over priced.

If it hadn't been a limited release, I'd happy brought several box sets (for the great value), sent one rule book out to someone I know is only after that, and offered up the other rules for a couple of quid or a few bits to people on the online groups. Plus I would have spent tons on extra kits to make really crazy terrain.

Not being able to buy just one boxset has meant I've gone from about to drop tons of cash over the next two months, to absolutely nothing.

I think the bigger issue is for people who genuinely want to play the game (and not just get a decent deal on some terrain) is that you'll miss out on the other minor components:

1) Templates (there's a chance you probably already have these, but you may not)
2) Artillery dice (you probably don't have this, and they're rare as hen's teeth and can be pricey on eBay)
3) Tokens (you don't have these - but they could likely be replaced...again, at minor cost).

Now while these can be easily replaced, etc. You can do a simple x2 conversion for Artillery dice etc. (1-5: multiply by two, on a 6 you score a misfire), and you can make your own tokens --- this kind of stuff is annoying.

Plenty of people won't be playing this game, but it's frustrating if you wanted to and have to print out paper tokens or create your own artillery dice, etc. It's the little things which polish a game which you'll be missing (and yes, plenty of people like hardback rulebooks - I know I do).

Well, well, entirely coincidentally Wargames Tournaments are having a scenery sale!

http://www.wargamestournaments.com/shop/terrain/?orderby=popularity

I have some of their Industrial stuff and it's ace.

willb2064 wrote:
Don't understand why GW don't take backorders on product.

Or take actual pre-orders *gasp*... most companies take pre-orders so they can produce enough to meet demand. GW just pre-sells before release.

The discount is actually more than it may seem in terms of parts because whilst WD says it has the furnace and the towers, it's actually got the walkways from the £45 kit as well. assuming you like terrain, which I do, so it's all good.

I'd love to look at Wargames Tournaments stuff, but sadly the shipping is outrageous (something quite rare for England based companies shipping to the US).

I contacted them about a US distributor but he simply emailed back "No." lol. So, pass on them.

I think they are reluctant to have people pre-order well in advance of their release dates.

Chikout wrote:
There is NO way this is a prank. You don't do an April fools joke that will cost you money.
Landmine who is a popular American retailer said on Twitter a few days ago that it was a limited run and the US allocation was 4,000 copies. He was not sure if that included online or not.
I expect the worldwide allocation to be 10,000 copies which is apparently double the usual first printing of a game.
I remember hearing that the reboot of space hulk did three runs of 5,000 copies each when it first came out.

It is possible that GW thought that doubling the usual print run would be sufficient and that demand has far outstripped that.
It is also possible that GW is holding a large percentage of the print run back to sell in stores next weekend.

Thanks for the info. Slightly less annoying knowing they doubled the typical run and it still sold out so fast. I have to imagine they can't be so set in stone looking at those sales numbers to not consider a second print. But I'm not holding my breath. Just hoping my local GW will be able to take my preorder. Even then, the air has been throughly deflated from my balloon that is this going to be a supported game. Luckily there are now enough official rules for the Inquisimunda community to pick up and tin with it. Official rules are always preferable though, and no Inquisition really sucks.

 Starfarer wrote:

Chikout wrote:
There is NO way this is a prank. You don't do an April fools joke that will cost you money.
Landmine who is a popular American retailer said on Twitter a few days ago that it was a limited run and the US allocation was 4,000 copies. He was not sure if that included online or not.
I expect the worldwide allocation to be 10,000 copies which is apparently double the usual first printing of a game.
I remember hearing that the reboot of space hulk did three runs of 5,000 copies each when it first came out.

It is possible that GW thought that doubling the usual print run would be sufficient and that demand has far outstripped that.
It is also possible that GW is holding a large percentage of the print run back to sell in stores next weekend.

Thanks for the info. Slightly less annoying knowing they doubled the typical run and it still sold out so fast. I have to imagine they can't be so set in stone looking at those sales numbers to not consider a second print. But I'm not holding my breath. Just hoping my local GW will be able to take my preorder. Even then, the air has been throughly deflated from my balloon that is this going to be a supported game. Luckily there are now enough official rules for the Inquisimunda community to pick up and tin with it. Official rules are always preferable though, and no Inquisition really sucks.

Just want to be clear this is supposition on my part based on Twitter info and previous track record which was shared by informed individuals and not GW itself so don't take anything I say as gospel. It is also possible that GW made Half a dozen copies for each region.

 RexHavoc wrote:

Vorian wrote:


As a genuine question, why not just buy the kits separately? If buying only for terrain there's only a little saving and buying separately you can choose how much of each you get without it being a fixed bundle

Because its more expensive- if the blog photos are too be believed (I was sure they were in this thread some where but I cant see them now, If I cant find them again I will link them) there is three sets of terrain, one was priced at €40 and one at €50, cant remember the third price. Thats almost the price of the set for just the two sets on its own- and I'm not sure if everything will be in there, I've seen no mention of the spider mech thing. Plus (the biggest issue) some of us wanted the printed rules- I cant stand digital rules. My choice is to either get digital rules, which will be over priced, or buy off ebay, which will be really over priced.

If it hadn't been a limited release, I'd happy brought several box sets (for the great value), sent one rule book out to someone I know is only after that, and offered up the other rules for a couple of quid or a few bits to people on the online groups. Plus I would have spent tons on extra kits to make really crazy terrain.

But as has been discussed, It's not 3 full sets, more like 2 1/2. The discount isn't actually that great.

Just seems odd so many people are going from "I was going to spend loads" to "I'm spending nothing" over old models, templates and a printed rulebook.

Even if Wayland can't fulfill my order it's basically a non issue to me. I'll get the terrain separately for practically the same price, I know the rules and I'm certain the internet will teach me simplified XP and campaign riles and I must have basically every gang already. It'd be slightly annoying, but it's hardly like space hulk selling out the first time.

Thanks for the link above. I managed to order the last one!

I think GW have problems estimating demand of a product this reminds me of the AOS Christmas boxes within 10-30 minutes they were out of stock in several territories after being put up.

I think GW much prefers to undersell than be stuck with stock again, maybe they are still haunted by the Hobbit starter?

Really disappointed...


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Honnestly I prefer to believe that s an April s fool and that on monday on War they will say "hey guys we have ten times the stock". At least this allows me to have hope during the week end.

GW you made a fool of me

 BrookM wrote:
I think GW much prefers to undersell than be stuck with stock again, maybe they are still haunted by the Hobbit starter?

Or Dreadfleet, or Execution Force, or Lost Patrol... . Yeah, I think they're a bit cautious now.

But I wonder if that's the only reason. I doubt they made that few copies - I mean it was translated in French, German, Italian and Spanish (all sold out as well). Maybe they had a shortage of the terrain (according to WD it should have been up for pre-order today too)?

Shadowmunda ... any idea on starting warband size (points-wise).... thinking of Tau (or G-cult) (or both) ....

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I think GW much prefers to undersell than be stuck with stock again, maybe they are still haunted by the Hobbit starter?

Or Dreadfleet, or Execution Force, or Lost Patrol... . Yeah, I think they're a bit cautious now.

But I wonder if that's the only reason. I doubt they made that few copies - I mean it was translated in French, German, Italian and Spanish (all sold out as well). Maybe they had a shortage of the terrain (according to WD it should have been up for pre-order today too)?

Both Execution Force and Lost Patrol are listed as 'Sold Out' on the web store...