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JohnHwangDD wrote:Because you sat in Jes' office and actually saw him working on them? Or because you desperately want Jes to be working on them.

I could care less about the DE. People I trust, living on different continents and who don't know each other, have separately spoken to JG and confirmed his interest and redesign efforts, months apart from one another. I believed it was common knowledge for the past 9 months or so.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Based on your follow-up, I'm going to have to guess the latter is the actual case.

I don't give a fig what you guess, Hwang. SW are all I care about. As I've said more than once.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If he's been working on DE for quite some time, we'd have a solid release date. Recall that DE were supposed to have been worked on simultaneously with the last Eldar Codex, that there was supposed to be an immediate follow-on release of DE after Eldar. What happened to all those "reliable" sources?

I never heard those rumors, and I bet I keep my ear closer to the ground than you. And we don't get release dates until after the most current release. We don't have a release date for the SW (although UK rumormongers from warseer saw new models for them over a year ago), and they'd be sooner than DE.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Whenever you want to guess what GW will do, just try to figure out what will quickly make more money this month, this quarter, and this year - you will rarely go wrong if you use that as your criteria, particularly if you remove any project which would be "difficult" based on product lines that are "slow" and low-margin.

So in my case, I see a line which has been pulled from the shelves and is only mentioned in the rulebook out of tradition.

The DE aren't "mentioned" in the 5th rulebook. I can only assume you have NOT seen it, because you are talking out of your anus on this one. They have as many fluff pages as the Orks, Eldar, Necrons, and Tau do. It's not a mention. It's not the one piece of art you've seen.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Why is it that a color page in the Rulebook engenders so much speculation and defense of a new DE Codex, when similar new color pages for Eldar, etc. don't? After all, the new rulebook has a brand-new 2-page Eldar picture. Why can't that be the basis for proving conclusively that Eldar will get a Codex *and* Biel-Tan before the DE get another update?

Because discussing this with you is like talking to my 4 year old son. I can't make my points any clearer, or even use smaller words. Whether you want to believe it or not, there will be a 5th edition Dark Eldar Codex. It will have the model range designed (though not completely sculpted) by Jes Goodwin. I don't care, as they aren't my army, and never have been. I have NO friends that play them. I have no horse in this race, and no reason to care.

With that, I've hijacked the IG thread enough, arguing with someone not worth the time I spent on my first post, much less this one. Have a good un.

dienekes96 wrote:I could care less about the DE.

People I trust, living on different continents and who don't know each other, have separately spoken to JG and confirmed his interest and redesign efforts, months apart from one another.

I never heard those rumors, and I bet I keep my ear closer to the ground than you.

The DE aren't "mentioned" in the 5th rulebook. I can only assume you have NOT seen it, because you are talking out of your anus on this one. They have as many fluff pages as the Orks, Eldar, Necrons, and Tau do. It's not a mention. It's not the one piece of art you've seen.

Because discussing this with you is like talking to my 4 year old son.

I can't make my points any clearer, or even use smaller words.

Whether you want to believe it or not, there will be a 5th edition Dark Eldar Codex. It will have the model range designed (though not completely sculpted) by Jes Goodwin.

I don't care, as they aren't my army, and never have been. I have NO friends that play them. I have no horse in this race, and no reason to care.

With that, I've hijacked the IG thread enough, arguing with someone not worth the time I spent on my first post, much less this one. Have a good un.

If you don't care, stop posting.

And if this were all true, it amuses me that there isn't anything on the DE, but we've been treated to a new Eldar Jetbike.

If your ear is close to the ground, but didn't hear those rumors, perhaps you need to extract your head from it's cozy orifice before you sit on the ground...

And as my mini-preview post from a while ago demonstrates, yes, I *have* seen the new rulebook. As I noted, it more than meets my expectations.

Perhaps your problem is that you don't yet comprehend that people can understand each other while disagreeing. In other worse, I understand you - I just believe that you are wrong. And I don't need to compare your mental faculties with an infant to do this.

WRT talking out one's anus, perhaps if you extracted your head from said orifice, perhaps your communications would be clearer.

I don't need to believe anything until I actually see something. And for the past several years, the DE have been all talk, *NO* product. Therefore, Occam's Razor concludes that the DE *will* be Squatted in due time. The idea that GW is expending great effort on the DE, but it's all hidden and secret is pretty laughable.

As for making value judgements about another human's worth, I squashed a mosquito today. And another one in my car.

But yeah, you have a *great* life, too. Thanks for the entertainment to date, because I'm going to Ignore you and save Dakka the amusement of our little fun exchanges.

Then you admit to not having any proofs of DE being bunked other than pointing at Tau and Chaos Dwarfs?

Miniatures drive sales. How many metal possessed did they sell? And plastic? Maybe it's a question of investment. If they're willing to put out good stuff, maybe people will notice an army that has yet to receive a new miniature after ten years.
If in between Marine releases they could get some boxes and painted armies to be shown, maybe people would get interested.
Like the DeathKorps of Krieg and the Elysians - how many people would be playing Guard, or at least buy a few boxes, if they were available in plastic from GW?

I can't say if you're wrong or not, but I'm inclined to think that they are getting worked on.

How long has it been since we saw the new Eldar Jetbike?

The new DE Cold One, the new DE Raiders (of which there was no indication that were being redone as far as I know)?

How long was it before the Baneblade came out, and rumours started flying that it would? Or the Drop Pods?

The races you pointed out from the 3rd ed book, the only ones that were made into something were the Necrons. And they already had some miniatures released nearing the end of 2nd edition.

Wood Elves had been like that, too. For ages really.

I'm not saying anything is certain about the DEldar, just that there is some stuff pointing their way that can't be ignored.

You're being increasingly and stunningly stubborn. You put your hands over your ears and do nothing to refute what arguments you've been presented with.

Finally, just how did Tau take the Dark Eldar's place? They play nothing alike.
You could point that out during late 3rd/most of 4th edition with Tyranids and Orks, as one dug into the strengths of the other. Orks were a minority's army, with weak sales, because of the lack of support.

EDIT: This would be a lot more coherent if I wasn't posting it on an empty stomach at five-thirty a.m., and I have to get up at eight after a week in which I've barely slept. Oh dear.

Getting back on topic, I hope that we get some confirmation on those rumored IG bikes soon. I need to know whether to get the new Scout Bikes for my Rough Riders, or if I should wait for even lighter bikes made for the IG line.

Overall my IG army is currently stalled as I choose a paint scheme for the 40 odd Guardsmen I have ready for paint, and work on my Orks

Mine is sort of in limbo too. If I add anything it will just be some extra guys and some heavy weapons.. but at the moment I'm working on my chaos army and not allowing myself to buy anything new till it's all painted. Should take me till at least sometime this fall I was thinking of using the scout bikes for rough riders as well .. who knows maybe we'll end up with the same bike, but a different sprue for the riders? I'd love to see if that jeep rumor is true too, I'm thinking of adding some marine land speeder jeep conversions to use as sentinels.

These rumors are worrying me, because I'm so close to finally finishing my IG. I need to paint another anti-tank squad and my baneblade and I'll have every IG model I own painted (about 7500 pts before allies).

Still, I'm excited about new units. I hope they add bikes, and don't simply replace Rough Riders. The IG fast attack section is a little light with only three entries.

Sorry John.

"Something along those lines. DE codex is very much alive as report on this website and minis have been done. Not hing new here but its nice to get a 'horses mouth' confirmation."

Just in case you're wondering, it's a comment by Philbrad on Rick P.'s words.

Guess you can "unignore" Dienekes... If he wants to

Destrado wrote:Sorry John.

"Something along those lines. DE codex is very much alive as report on this website and minis have been done. Not hing new here but its nice to get a 'horses mouth' confirmation."

Just in case you're wondering, it's a comment by Philbrad on Rick P.'s words.

Guess you can "unignore" Dienekes... If he wants to

Can you name those website for me?

If referring to "DE raider is worked by jes,ready but delayed for 9 months" i wonder.

Let's start a new thread on Dark Eldar, shall we? And keep the vitriol down.

With a small exception, IG hasn't even been mentioned. Since there's already another IG rumor thread, I'm locking this one.