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Green Blow Fly wrote:How trite, overdone and pathetic all at the same time.

Pot, meet kettle.

Thanks BR Prometheus. Good to hear both sides.

There is the additional theme of pro-WC and anti-WC players/posters in this and other threads. Its very exciting. I'm just saddened I don't have popcorn.

BrPrometheus wrote:So I have heard from a friend in the comunity that I have started a firestorm on the forums. After reading through the threads I thought I would reply.

Thanks for the reply with the other side of the story, which clears up a lot. I think you encountered a common problem with player judged soft scores.

Kallbrand wrote: BUT they have also been known to manhandle people into giving them top points with the"if you dont give me/us good scores we will mark you down and we know who looses most on that".

Really?....REALLY?....you SURE about that Kallbrand? Or is this just some BS rumour that you HEARD or MADE UP? I'd like to see your proof on that. What player that you know claims this?

Or are you just smearing us some more with BS. Basically, what you've said is pretty much an outright lie. Yes, I'll call you a liar after that slander, the burden of proof is on the accuser so....WHERE'S YOUR PROOF ON THIS?

Dont be a jerk. What player claims this? Where is he and who did he play? Or are you simply trying to make us look bad by adding to the "WC hate Bandwagon" that is being perpetuated primarily by non-tournement players posting in a tournement thread and tournement goers that have never played any of us in the first place?

Members of the WC as a rule, DO NOT strong arm soft scores. What we do during a game is attempt to be pleasant enough DURING a game in order to make a new friend at a given tournement. Does this give us good sportsmanship scores....yes it stacks the deck in our favor concerning this, but it also swells the ranks of drinking pals that we have at Tournement. THIS is our common practice. If I offer you a beer after the game and am sincere, you accept, and we go hang in our (WC meeting) hotel room with 3 other WC gamers and THEIR last round opponents all talking tournement and good times....I'm an ass? THIS is the FULL extent of our soft score manipulation, if you think that making friends at a tournement is unruly behavior, having good times with fellow hobbyists is dishonest, I wonder what kind of tournement experiance YOU would give YOUR opponent.

THIS is what we do at tournement.

If you have something REALLY contrary to say concerning this, please put up some proof to the fact...or shut up.

I'm not going to post any more on this because being accused without justification pretty much pisses me off. Those that are hating on the WC have pretty much unfounded complaints concerning the club as a whole. We've had some of dakka's longest running posters and most competetive tournement players give us a resounding stamp of approval, THOSE are our credentials here here at dakka. The rest of you are 1. not tournement players anyway, or 2. talking out of your collective butts.

Game on boys.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Those that are hating on the WC have pretty much unfounded complaints concerning the club as a whole.

Last time I checked you guys had a confirmed and self-admitted cheater amongst you and the "club as a whole" was pretty unapologetic about it.

Bunker there has been plenty of allegations that you yourself cheat on a common basis at tournaments... having been ejected at least once.

G

Bunker wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Those that are hating on the WC have pretty much unfounded complaints concerning the club as a whole.

Last time I checked you guys had a confirmed and self-admitted cheater amongst you and the "club as a whole" was pretty unapologetic about it.

Thats right folks, Bunker is one of those who doesnt know what he's talking about.

Thank you drive thru.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/223114.page#452400

Specifically THIS part:

"Representing WC, I'll go ahead and say to the community that we're sorry for any confusion on this subject. Wrecking Crews mission as stated on our website, is to form an elite group of competetive gamers that consider sportsmanship always as a major factor in placing highly in any tournement. Any of you out there that have met with us KNOW that we're all about the GAME. As an entire group, we're all about honest gaming. We don't use tricks as a rule and any deviation from that policy will be addressed within our own community. If there were any shenanigans going on during the 'Ard Boys, rest assured, its's being looked into. Wrecking Crew wants nothing other than an Extremely pleasant, honorable and enjoyable a$$whooping for our opponents, one that you'll come back for again and again with a smile on your face."

Bunker, know what you're talking about before you open your hole.

Is the guy still a member of WC Deadshane1?

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Bunker there has been plenty of allegations that you yourself cheat on a common basis at tournaments... having been ejected at least once.

G

Considering that my first will be on Feb 28th I see that as being a little difficult.

Also, allegations =/= proof. There's proof that your boy cheated

try again sweetie

Deadshane1 wrote:

Bunker wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Those that are hating on the WC have pretty much unfounded complaints concerning the club as a whole.

Last time I checked you guys had a confirmed and self-admitted cheater amongst you and the "club as a whole" was pretty unapologetic about it.

Thats right folks, Bunker is one of those who doesnt know what he's talking about.

Thank you drive thru.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/223114.page#452400

Specifically THIS part:

"Representing WC, I'll go ahead and say to the community that we're sorry for any confusion on this subject. Wrecking Crews mission as stated on our website, is to form an elite group of competetive gamers that consider sportsmanship always as a major factor in placing highly in any tournement. Any of you out there that have met with us KNOW that we're all about the GAME. As an entire group, we're all about honest gaming. We don't use tricks as a rule and any deviation from that policy will be addressed within our own community. If there were any shenanigans going on during the 'Ard Boys, rest assured, its's being looked into. Wrecking Crew wants nothing other than an Extremely pleasant, honorable and enjoyable a$$whooping for our opponents, one that you'll come back for again and again with a smile on your face."

Bunker, know what you're talking about before you open your hole.

And yet the guy is still a member? Sounds like you all support his conduct to me.

2/10. Try again

Frazzled wrote:Is the guy still a member of WC Deadshane1?

So much as I know...he is.

Thing is this, WC isnt so much a specific organisation that perpetuates a practice of "screw up and you're fired", we're not organised enough to have "hard-line" rules.

Basically, the WC could just as easily be called "the Friends of Kenny and Marc". Friends involved in recreational activities handle issues different that actual 'business' organisations.

When a friend of yours screws up, you talk to him. You get his side of the story, generally, if he's a good friend you don't throw him out with the trash as certain blog-sites and posters here have condemned us for not doing. We're all playing a game here, its a game, when it gets right down to it, one of OUR (the WC's) buddies screwed up, we've talked to him, and hope that these series of incidents dont happen in the future. If they do?...well, we'll have to deal with that if it ever comes to that....I personally dont think it will.

The whole thing has been discussed an mulled over amongst us all in the WC and actually the entire 'Ard Boyz debacle was a learning experience for 1 of our members, and an example of "What not to do" for the rest of us. The member in question IS a close friend of several of our members however, and you dont throw friends to the dogs when inexperience or foolishness gets the better of them. You talk to your friend and try to help him avoid those occurances in the future. That is what being a friend is, and that's what we've done. At least that is MY understanding, Gareth is more an aquaintance than a personal friend of MINE...so I wasnt privy to the exact details, but from what I've learned off of the phone and thru e-mails with our other members, this is how we've handled the issue. I'm satisfied that we've handled it sufficiently within our club.

Bunker wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Bunker wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Those that are hating on the WC have pretty much unfounded complaints concerning the club as a whole.

Last time I checked you guys had a confirmed and self-admitted cheater amongst you and the "club as a whole" was pretty unapologetic about it.

Thats right folks, Bunker is one of those who doesnt know what he's talking about.

Thank you drive thru.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/223114.page#452400

Specifically THIS part:

"Representing WC, I'll go ahead and say to the community that we're sorry for any confusion on this subject. Wrecking Crews mission as stated on our website, is to form an elite group of competetive gamers that consider sportsmanship always as a major factor in placing highly in any tournement. Any of you out there that have met with us KNOW that we're all about the GAME. As an entire group, we're all about honest gaming. We don't use tricks as a rule and any deviation from that policy will be addressed within our own community. If there were any shenanigans going on during the 'Ard Boys, rest assured, its's being looked into. Wrecking Crew wants nothing other than an Extremely pleasant, honorable and enjoyable a$$whooping for our opponents, one that you'll come back for again and again with a smile on your face."

Bunker, know what you're talking about before you open your hole.

And yet the guy is still a member? Sounds like you all support his conduct to me.

2/10. Try again

I make you look like a fool and this is your comeback?

You neednt have posted any more on this matter. If you disappear from this thread people will forget you screwed up. Trust me, its the better way to concede defeat that perpetuate a losing position in an arguement.

as to your comments about Gareth still being a member....see my post above.

I'm not picking a side here, but WC is representing themselves as a team. You get the good and bad with that. When the bad happens, your team is going to get slammed because of it. Inversely, you can claim the good as well, winning records, helping old grandmothers across the street even if they didn't want to cross the street, the usual.

Deadshane1 wrote:

I make you look like a fool and this is your comeback?

You neednt have posted any more on this matter. If you disappear from this thread people will forget you screwed up. Trust me, its the better way to concede defeat that perpetuate a losing position in an arguement.

as to your comments about Gareth still being a member....see my post above.

Where'd that happen?

Weren't you the one who said you weren't going to post here anymore?

Typical poorly equipped troll is both typical and poorly equipped.

Edit: As Frazzled said, you guys rep yourselves as a team, and your image becomes one of a group rather than individuals, at least to the community.

I get the friends first blah blah blah toy men game blah blah argument, but it is a very poor one, and one that you would not have had to fall back on had you any real rebuttals to make about the WCs acceptance of cheaters in their ranks.

I can't put my finger on it, but I'm sensing Bunker and Deadshane disagree slightly...

Frazzled wrote:I'm not picking a side here, but WC is representing themselves as a team. You get the good and bad with that. When the bad happens, your team is going to get slammed because of it.

So we're going back to rehashing the 'Ard Boyz issues? ....and here I thought that issue was dead.

When the BAD happens, I would expect at least for people to post facts and not simple uninformed HATE addressed to WC such like Bunker here is spouting. He doenst know anything about anything concerning us and continues to troll.

Gareth may have screwed up, but that issue is long gone and should have died by now....people keep bringing it up thinking that its sufficient reason to slam our club as a whole. Slamming our club regardless of the vast majority of our opponents that give us 5 stars after games.

As an individual, 'I' don't have to take that. I'm a member of the WC AND an individual that plays at tournement. I dont care for allegations of ME being a cheater/poor player, especially when it comes from those who have no idea what they're talking about. Case in point...Bunker/Kallbrand/JohnDD.

I personally dont have to take that sort of slander...as I personally have nothing but the intention of having a good time when playing at tournement.

Frazzled wrote:I can't put my finger on it, but I'm sensing Bunker and Deadshane disagree slightly...

Good call.

Your reward? I get to motivate you

Frazzled wrote:I can't put my finger on it, but I'm sensing Bunker and Deadshane disagree slightly...

You're enjoying your new pictures a bit too much methinks ;-)

Though have another one btw.



Apply as needed =)

Deadshane1 wrote: Bunker here is spouting. He doenst know anything about anything concerning us and continues to troll.

Again, explain to me how the following is untrue

1) Gareth cheated at a tournament, and then tried to blame it on everyone but himself (First the judge who supposedly made the ruling, then the other player for allowing it)
2) It was posted here and the obvious crapstorm ensued
3) The WC acknowledged that it happened, said "we're looking into it" and then expected everyone to be okay with that explanation

Where have I made an error?

And since this thread is apparently now about motivational posters

Deadshane1 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'm not picking a side here, but WC is representing themselves as a team. You get the good and bad with that. When the bad happens, your team is going to get slammed because of it.

So we're going back to rehashing the 'Ard Boyz issues? ....and here I thought that issue was dead.

When the BAD happens, I would expect at least for people to post facts and not simple uninformed HATE addressed to WC such like Bunker here is spouting. He doenst know anything about anything concerning us and continues to troll.

Gareth may have screwed up, but that issue is long gone and should have died by now....people keep bringing it up thinking that its sufficient reason to slam our club as a whole. Slamming our club regardless of the vast majority of our opponents that give us 5 stars after games.

As an individual, 'I' don't have to take that. I'm a member of the WC AND an individual that plays at tournement. I dont care for allegations of ME being a cheater/poor player, especially when it comes from those who have no idea what they're talking about. Case in point...Bunker/Kallbrand/JohnDD.

I personally dont have to take that sort of slander...as I personally have nothing but the intention of having a good time when playing at tournement.

Come on Deadshane1
1. You know no issue on the swirling emostorm of the intranets is ever dead. Like something you do to tick off your wife, everntually, maybe years from now, it will pop up when you least expect it to bite you on the rear.

2. I'm not saying you yourself is a cheater, or anyone for that matter. Groups however will get painted with the same brush in all ways by non-members. Members of that group have to take the bad as well as the good.

Again, I've no dog in this hunt, and have nothing against anyone on this thread, except for Malf of course. I hate that guy, that dirty sock stealer.

Bunker-I'm stealing that pic. It will come in handy for important posts...
EDIT: I met my wife and my first scorpion within an hour of each other. Coincidence?

So I guess we're done with the conversation?

In before the lock.

Deadshane1 wrote:
Gareth cheated

fixed it for you.

Bunker wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote: Bunker here is spouting. He doenst know anything about anything concerning us and continues to troll.

Again, explain to me how the following is untrue

1) Gareth cheated at a tournament, and then tried to blame it on everyone but himself (First the judge who supposedly made the ruling, then the other player for allowing it)
2) It was posted here and the obvious crapstorm ensued
3) The WC acknowledged that it happened, said "we're looking into it" and then expected everyone to be okay with that explanation

Where have I made an error?

And exactly HOW were YOU effected by this? Exactly how many WC players have you played over the years? What interest do YOU have in how we manage OUR club?

What exactly is YOUR stake in this? Or are you simply another internet troll that finds it fun to perpetuate an arguement.

Perpetuating arguement is exactly what your last 5-6 threads have done. You dont offer anything constructive to this discussion.

You sir, are the troll. Count yourself lucky that I'm even trying to get thru your thick head when you should simply be on 'ignore' as is truly deserved.

If you want to really discuss this because you have some real reason to be concerned with WC practice...why not e-mail me, I'd be happy to set you straight....I have no reason to lie to you, since our Club is actually a fun, exiting, and contrary to popular beleif, honest group to associate with.

Frazzled wrote:

Bunker-I'm stealing that pic. It will come in handy for important posts...

Which one? Gadget Legs or Earthquake?

I had 2 gigs of them before my old hard drive crapped out on me 3 weeks ago.

Those and a picture I took of my grandmother 2 days before she died are the only things I regret losing.

olympia wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:
Gareth cheated

fixed it for you....because I'm a loser troll

fixed it for you.

Le Grognard wrote:Been following this one from the last thread. You say the TO over-reacted and then apologized. Fine. But, somewhere it said that the Player and the TO were friends to begin with so my whole take goes something like this:

Player: Dude, I'm gonna bring my Nob Biker list to your tourney and totally wreck it.

TO: Dude, if you do I'm totally going to wreck your tournament experience.

Player: Dude, no way, my list ain't against the rules.

TO: Dude, totally way, It's my tourney, and I don't want it wrecked.

Player: Dude, step off, I am so going to wreck the tournament with my list.

And so on and so on and it all came to a head on tournament day.

(this is all tounge and cheek, don't take it personally, boyos!)

Man-o-man has this been an entertaining thread. Now that I've heard both sides of the story, I still stand behind my take on it back on Page 3. Can't we all just get along? It's fraking toy soldiers.

hey ! Don't start on wives, they have their uses.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Bunker wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote: Bunker here is spouting. He doenst know anything about anything concerning us and continues to troll.

Again, explain to me how the following is untrue

1) Gareth cheated at a tournament, and then tried to blame it on everyone but himself (First the judge who supposedly made the ruling, then the other player for allowing it)
2) It was posted here and the obvious crapstorm ensued
3) The WC acknowledged that it happened, said "we're looking into it" and then expected everyone to be okay with that explanation

Where have I made an error?

And exactly HOW were YOU effected by this? Exactly how many WC players have you played over the years? What interest do YOU have in how we manage OUR club?

What exactly is YOUR stake in this? Or are you simply another internet troll that finds it fun to perpetuate an arguement.

Perpetuating arguement is exactly what your last 5-6 threads have done. You dont offer anything constructive to this discussion.

You sir, are the troll. Count yourself lucky that I'm even trying to get thru your thick head when you should simply be on 'ignore' as is truly deserved.

If you want to really discuss this because you have some real reason to be concerned with WC practice...why not e-mail me, I'd be happy to set you straight....I have no reason to lie to you, since our Club is actually a fun, exiting, and contrary to popular beleif, honest group to associate with.

Okay, so just to clarify, I actually DO know what I'm talking about. You just wish that I would stop talking about it because it makes your group look bad?

You go from "Bunker doesn't know what he's talking about and is a liar" to "Bunker doesn't add anything" coupled with "Bunker must have some sort of personal stake in this"? Really? Like, really really? You have run out of valid points and are now grasping at straws.

I, good sir, may be the troll (in your mind). But you, sir, dress funny and wear pink army boots.