Ghengis Con 40k Tournament

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**dietrich**

Green Blow Fly wrote:Okay... give me a couple of moments to lumber up.
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You turn into a wood golem made of 2x4's? Cool.

**Black Blow Fly**

I am an iron golem. My gf recently drew an arc from my totem pole.

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**Neconilis**

Green Blow Fly wrote:I am an iron golem. My gf recently drew an arc from my totem pole.

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Ba-dum-cha!

**dietrich**

Green Blow Fly wrote:I am an iron golem. My gf recently drew an arc from my totem pole.
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Why would she need to draw an arc? Were you playing Warmachine? That's the only game that I know of that benefits from having a front arc painted on a model's base.

**Black Blow Fly**

I am electrifying.

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**dietrich**

We've totally derained this topic. My work here is done!

**Black Blow Fly**

Skalligrimm would be proud.

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**Ratbarf**

Ahhh, *sigh* Whenever I read Kenney or hear of this I can't help but think of the adorable orange parkaed youngster who always gets the gak end of the stick...

**Grot 6**

Warmaster wrote:This was pulled over from the thread that Darkness started. First I would like to say that I'm friends with both Kenny who played the nob biker list and Rob who ran the tournament. I was also the person that played Kenny in the 3rd round with the Tzeentch daemon list, so I was there onsite and on person. My responses are below in italics

A couple of things up front. All of the missions and their rules were posted on the web months before the tournament. However, Kenny does not have internet access and did not look at them.

Saturday was Ghengis Con, the largest tourney in CO. The Wrecking Crew attended in force. One member took Nob Bikers. He took them as practice not concerned about the overall.

First round, the TO approached him and told him flat out, he didnt care what his opponents scored him for theme or comp, he was going to mark him 0's. This already was a moment of contention. After his first game, he tabled his opponent. He expected to recieve full bonuses for it, but the TO hurried over to tell him no he didnt. His opponent marked him full for theme and half for comp, scores he wasnt going to recieve.

Kenny did not receive full battle points for tabling his opponent. It specifically stated in the mission rules that you had to actually have enough troops left actually sitting on the objectives at the end of the game to get a massacre. However, his comp score did get adjusted by the TO. There were two "theme/army composition" boxes. His opponent gave him one of the two and the TO did take it away (more on this later).

Game 2 was against a fellow WC member, who won the tourney. The player with the Nobs won with a minor victory and recieved top marks in theme and medium in comp. The TO said he wouldnt give him those points unless his opponents would come up and argue. Well his opponents did, and he was denied.

He was indeed denied again

Final round he matched up against shooty Tzeentch demons on the only board with Buildings having more than 1 floor. The TO expressly told him that he purposely did it so he would lose. His opponent for the match was a friend of mine, a good player, and merely a pawn it seemed. The mission was KPs and it was annouced that they would be percentage based. The game ends 4-8 in the favor of the Nobs, a massacre by GT standards. Since it was percentage based the math had the demons with a 3.6% advantage. A tie, right? No, a lose, the TO declared that there would be no margin for a tie.

Okay I played the Tzeentch army. First off there were about 5-6 boards that had buildings with more than one floor. The TO did not purposely put the biker player on a table that had a building. He moved him down one table to play against me (so basically he purposely matched him up against me). Both of us were about 8-9 positions down and were only a few points apart in standings. The mission which was on the website specifically states that it was percentage based, and a minor victory was if one person had a higher percentage. In the mission rules it specifically stated that but again Kenny didn't actually see this until the tournament started. After the game the TO came over to talk to Kenny and the three of us had a talk. I flat out told the TO that it was bull that he adjusted the player's rated comp scores. He did agree and say that he shouldn't have done that. He actually did give the nobs the points back. And he apologized right there to the nob player and said that he went a little overboard on the whole thing. So not only was there a private apology, but he also announced to the whole tournament that he had been a prick to the nob player and gave the nob player a blister and called it the "Thanks for not punching out the TO award".

Also the largest transgression (which has only a few facts to support) was the lose of player's choice. Virtually half the hall declared they had voted for the nobs and the prize did not go to them, nor the amazingly painted exodite eldar

I have no idea on this one. This is what I will say the votes for players choice were all over the place. The TO told me I got 3 votes for players choice (so out of curiosity I asked how many the most was). The person that took players choice had 6 votes. So out of 58 players 6 people were the most that voted for any one army. A good side question to that would be how many of the players actually voted.

So, was it unfair of the Rob to not give him the player judged points. Yes it was, and he undid it and apologized, however this wasn't until towards the end of the tournament, which I know made it a frustrating day for Kenny. However on the other side is that Kenny did not read the missions beforehand. They are drastically different than the GT rules which is why they were posted well in advance of Ghengis Con.

I'll be happy to answer any other questions, but if anyone is going to straight out bash on Kenny, WC, Rob, or the tourney as a whole I'll ask for an immediate lock on the thread and move past the whole thing.

Ill ask for a lock based on this still being a lame tourny and then the whole coversation goes back to how one group, who is starting to come here regularly pomping themselves, and now are seemingly the victims. You obviously wanted publicity, or you wouldn't have taken that army list to the tourney.

I've never heard of a TO being as Biased as you say without some sort of issue that set them off.

We only get one side of the story.

There is always more to the story, which we are being denied, and this thread is just more of the same.

What exactly do you want, anyway? It was a raw deal. Whoever the TO was sounds like a tool, but they have yet to appear and explain the point behind the issue.
Mr Biker Nob knew what he was doing. Hence, thats why people have an issue with the Nob army in the first place.

Yes. Get over it and move on.

**Grot 6**

Point taken.

I like puppies, and thumping them with large baseball bats, too.

**Lorek**

Thank you for fixing that.

**Daggermaw**

just a quick question.

Is the offensive list the 2 warboss with 2 squads of biker nobz? or is it any list with biker nobz in it?

**Kallbrand**

I also cant really see the diffrence between this thread and the others where organisers been accused for cheating, except this one is allowed to run rampant and the others got closed down as soon as started. (Yet again it seems like a certain gamingcrew is involved in shady buisness and allowed to use dakka as it personal base)

**Kilkrazy**

Not sure exactly which thread you are referring to, but if it was the other one about this specific tournament, I locked that the other day because it had turned into a witch-hunt against the tournament judge.

This new thread on the same topic has been much better behaved. The WC member involved posted personally, and we have learned a lot more about the facts of the incident. It is clear that the other thread was based on a misapprehension of the circumstances.

I know there is fairly wide-spread anti-WC feeling.

But, as long as WC members conduct themselves in accordance with the Dakka rules, they have the same right as anyone else to make posts. That means there can't be a blanket ban on WC or any group's members. Each controversy must be judged on its own merits.

This is not a matter of giving special favour to the WC. The same would apply to any group whose members joined Dakka.

**Kallbrand**

I was actually thinking about the threads about the old "ard boy" scandal. Where actually both sides posted and people were defending the judge with about the same fervour as they are now persecuting him. And they were in about the same tone as this one, still they were locked almost instantly.

**Bunker**

Kilkrazy wrote:
I know there is fairly wide-spread anti-WC feeling.

And for good reason. They only come here when they need to stroke their egos and they treat Dakka and its users as if they are beneath the WC

This is not a matter of giving special favour to the WC. The same would apply to any group whose members joined Dakka.

This I'm calling BS on, or at least partial-BS. The way some of your mods jumped on anyone posting in the WC cheating thread and your quickness to lock it even though there was confirmation from multiple sources that one of them did in fact cheat, coupled with how you allowed them to come here and gloat about it afterwards definitely shows a bias in their favor.

I appreciate the fact that the site has a code of conduct and that the mods are instructed to enforce it no matter what, but it does get a little obvious that certain users here receive free passes for their behavior

**olympia**

Bunker wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
I know there is fairly wide-spread anti-WC feeling.

And for good reason. They only come here when they need to stroke their egos and they treat Dakka and its users as if they are beneath the WC

This is not a matter of giving special favour to the WC. The same would apply to any group whose members joined Dakka.

This I'm calling BS on, or at least partial-BS. The way some of your mods jumped on anyone posting in the WC cheating thread and your quickness to lock it even though there was confirmation from multiple sources that one of them did in fact cheat, coupled with how you allowed them to come here and gloat about it afterwards definitely shows a bias in their favor.

I appreciate the fact that the site has a code of conduct and that the mods are instructed to enforce it no matter what, but it does get a little obvious that certain users here receive free passes for their behavior

Well said Bunker.

**JD21290**

Very well said bunker

allthough, you do have to take double standards into account

**Kilkrazy**

Bunker wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
I know there is fairly wide-spread anti-WC feeling.

And for good reason. They only come here when they need to stroke their egos and they treat Dakka and its users as if they are beneath the WC

This is not a matter of giving special favour to the WC. The same would apply to any group whose members joined Dakka.

This I'm calling BS on, or at least partial-BS. The way some of your mods jumped on anyone posting in the WC cheating thread and your quickness to lock it even though there was confirmation from multiple sources that one of them did in fact cheat, coupled with how you allowed them to come here and gloat about it afterwards definitely shows a bias in their favor.

I appreciate the fact that the site has a code of conduct and that the mods are instructed to enforce it no matter what, but it does get a little obvious that certain users here receive free passes for their behavior

If you genuinely think there is organised bias in favour of the WC members, you should take the matter up with Yakface.

In the meanwhile, I would suggest that discussing the issue here is taking the thread off topic.

**Lorek**

The first thread on the WC 'Ard Boyz incident ran for pages before it was finally shut down, and it was only shut down because the same things were being said over and over again with nothing new. People were just being pissed off and nasty, so we shut down the topic. If there had been more level-headed discussion, we would have allowed it to continue.

If you really want to see how the discussion could have gone, pay your $25 to 40k Radio (to join the Freebootas) and read their forum discussion about the topic. People were upset, but they didn't call people names, yell, scream, or act like people did here on Dakka. It's not the topic that's the problem, it's how people discuss it.

If you ever think they've gotten a free pass, hit the Alert Mods button. If you think that hasn't worked, PM any one of us, especially Yakface. We aren't out to give anyone special favors, but we do want everyone to have their fair say. Being polite about a topic will get you much further than an angry rant. (I'm not saying that you're doing an angry rant now, but I've seen a lot of that recently).

**Black Blow Fly**

Both sides got to tell their story here, which is a lot different than the Ard Boyz witch hunt for WhiteDevil. He has won three best overalls in local RTTs here in Florida since that fiasco... most of the people here really don't care.

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**JD21290**

iorek, while i admit that its usually pretty fair, there are a few people that could get away with murder.
ive tried to PM a mod about something, and generally met with an answer that has nothing to do with the question i asked, or simply ignored.

hence now there are only 2 MOD's ill bother to PM.
(i dont waste yaks time with small matters, so he isnt included in this)

also mate, take into account that its not just bad behavior on a members part at times.
it can also be a MOD.

**Bunker**

Kilkrazy wrote:

If you genuinely think there is organised bias in favour of the WC members, you should take the matter up with Yakface.

I honestly don't see it as a "problem", more just like something that exists that doesn't have any effect on me either way. I was making more of an observation than a complaint, sorry if it came off as the latter.

**Bunker**

Green Blow Fly wrote:witch hunt for WhiteDevil.

Got caught cheating? Check
Won the tournament as a result of it? Check
Swore ignorance when called on it? Check
Proceeded to blame the judges for his rules-lawyering? Check
Retreated from Dakka as fast as possible when he realized that nobody but his teammates were going to back him? Check

Witch hunt? Hardly.

He has won three best overalls in local RTTs here in Florida since that fiasco

So? That doesn't mean he isn't a cheater, just like cheating doesn't necessarily make him a bad player. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

... most of the people here really don't care.

Probably because "most" of the people there are WC members and are content to felate him IRL like you guys do each other here and on your own forums.

::waits for the complaints about that last comment::

**Lorek**

For those curious:

Initial thread (six pages): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/222633.page

Follow-up Thread #1 (four pages): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/222961.page

Follow-up Thread #2: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225395.page

**Black Blow Fly**

Bunker wrote:
So? That doesn't mean he isn't a cheater, just like cheating doesn't necessarily make him a bad player. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Talk about felating... you really got it going with talking out of both sides of your big mouth dear.

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**Kilkrazy**

Both of you are out of order for using rude and inflammatory language in your recent posts, also this is all off topic. And you spelt it wrong.

Judge Dredd would have a field day.

Please remember rule no.1 and the possible penalties up to and including suspensions.

Let's get the thread back on topic or it will have to be locked.

**JD21290**

seems like people have some very strong opinions indeed

krazy, i think a death sentance is a little too harsh.

to be honest, all we can get from this thread is a biased view.
now, as i have been told, we could not start a witch hunt about stelek as he is no longer here to defend himself.
so, why are people allowed to start a witch hunt for a TO who also is not here and also cannot defend himself?

**Kilkrazy**

I spent a lot of effort trying to stop the witch hunt against the TO and had to lock the thread.

**JD21290**

and im pretty sure it will simply start a new one with this new thread.