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The Dutch were on the East Coast as well, sorry to break it to you so the British didn't have all the East Coast either. By by George if you didn't make the best of it (by killing and taking over other areas).

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In your base, ignoring your logic.

Let's not forget the puritans who left england to be away from england, and Rhode Island, the gutter of the colonial outcasts.
   
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Chicago

halonachos wrote:BTW I do believe in the trickle down effect, lowering industrial taxes is going to have a constant effect unlike the stimulus package which gave a finite amount of currency to certain businesses.


Hmm. I'm not sure if anyone can help you if you still believe that throwing money at the rich will eventually help the poor.

Also, I believe that Ketara wins this thread. Especially with that last point.

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The Great State of Texas

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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In your base, ignoring your logic.

I think that the trickle down effect doesn't always involve throwing money at the rich. You could I don't know, lower taxes upon their profits. Throwing money at masses usually involves them paying credit card bills(only to get rid of said credit card) or depositing it into a local bank account(that's what I did). Both of these practices don't stimulate the economy. The whole purpose is to buy things.

The trickle down effect means that businesses keep more profit and can then spend more to hire people(longterm economic benefit), pay more benefits(longterm economic benefit), pay higher wages(longterm economic benefit), etc.

People are more willing to spend what they get on salary because the amount they receive isn't just a one time thing like a government stimulus.


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Yay, nationalised healthcare works. If you have money it won't hurt.

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United States

Frazzled wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html


Cortisone is about the worst thing you can give to someone with an undiagnosed pain source. It generally causes people to exacerbate the problem by eliminating that natural warning sensation of the body (pain).

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The Great State of Texas

dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html


Really awesome chocolate is about the worst thing you can give to someone with an undiagnosed pain source. It generally causes people to exacerbate the problem by eliminating that natural warning sensation of the body (pain).


Corrected your typo.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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In your base, ignoring your logic.

They already know that there's a freakin problem if they're in pain already. All you need to do is crack open that bad boy and see what's going wrong.

Anesthesia is an extra $1,000 BTW.
   
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Frazzled wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html


Sad indeed.

Just to clarify : would EVERY American qualify for painkilling injections upon demand or would that be entirely dependant upon their level of medical insurance coverage payout ?

Sorry, make that approved insurance payouts of course. Because that happens instantly with no wait at all. Ever.

.. right ?

Oh, assuming you even get the chance to get ill anyway.

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fething poor people breeding like that ! Disgraceful ! It's almost like you need an underclass or something.... eerrrrr..

This is going to be a great game : you post a gakky story and then us " dern zocialists" will and it'll be just like some game of tennis !

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When do we get to make fun of Leichtenstein?
its ironic I pulled my back this weekend (translation genghis Connie beat me up)

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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ouch !

Hope that gets better soon.

... you septics and your ideas that Lichenstein is a real place ! Next thing you'll be telling that Idaho is real !

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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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The Great State of Texas

(fakes bad Merlin from Excalibur accent)
Idaho, a dream to some, a NIGHTMARE TO OTHERS!

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Canterbury

*somewhatpoortasteRiverPhoenixjoke*

...it's not famous for anything else is it ?

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The Great State of Texas

Potatoes. I think there is a type of beef that comes from there and is pretty good, but I could be thinking of Omaha.

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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No, that's I reland. Close though.

Omaha I'm pretty certain is a holiday resort. Least people go on and on about the beach there. Or something.

...might be awkward to park there and, typically, the Germans have got there and bagsied all the best spots first.

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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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I heard about that actually (the germans grabbing spots not the Normandy reference, Omaha really is a state I know its hard to believe). There was a story about certain hotels now allowing germans to pre-reserve chairs ahead of time around the pool. Thats even more anal retentive than I am.


-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Frazzled wrote:Potatoes.


reds8n wrote:No, that's Ireland.


No, Idaho is known for potatoes. They produce a huge amount of them and they are real potatoes fit for real men and not sustenance farmers. Ours are the size of Cadillac's.


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Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Potatoes.


reds8n wrote:No, that's Ireland.


No, Idaho is known for potatoes. They produce a huge amount of them and they are real potatoes fit for real men and not sustenance farmers. Ours are the size of Cadillac's.



We just had to go there didn't we.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CgeJED9SU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CgeJED9SU&feature=related

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Canterbury

No no no. You see....

...*considers famine/fussy eater joke and backs away hurriedly*

..sometimes it just makes sense to chicken out yeah ?

Idaho isn't famous at all, let alone for spuds.

Yeah we heard that German story as well . Clarification : in Europe - not just the UK from conversations I've had -- the typical German tourist is infamous for getting up early and then "claiming" sun longers/similar etc by the pool by placing towels etc and then wandering off. Typically the British/whomever hungover tourist arises X hours later, finds said towel, surveys the scene and then promptly just takes the seat anyway.

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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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Frazzled wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5955840/Patients-forced-to-live-in-agony-after-NHS-refuses-to-pay-for-painkilling-injections.html


The Telegraph rules. You get all the truthiness you can handle and gratuitous skin flashes.

Meanwhile, if you want to look past the really obviously contrived story, you have government saying 'we aren't going to pay for pain treatment when the cause of pain hasn't been established. That is, you don't get to go into the doctor's and tell him your back hurts and get a prescription for some pills. We are going to require doctors to actually find out what's wrong and treat it.'

Which seems sensible. Until the Telegraph gets a hold of it. Then it becomes the outrage of the day.


And how is cortizone 500 pounds a day? My parents give their dog a cortizone pill every day, it's like $5.


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halonachos wrote:I think that the trickle down effect doesn't always involve throwing money at the rich. You could I don't know, lower taxes upon their profits.


Wow, 80s flashback.

Meanwhile, trickle down economics suck. They rely on the idea that investment and job creation are based around higher profits, when it does not work that way. Investment and job creation comes from new markets and growing existing markets, which comes from consumer demand - and that comes from putting money in the hands of the working and middle classes.


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Ahtman wrote:No, Idaho is known for potatoes.


If you have to tell people what a place is famous for, it isn't famous for it

Which is a shame for Idaho.

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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Frazzled wrote:
halonachos wrote:Well, england may take credit for the colonies(at least everything besides florida on the eastern coast), but look at the proper mess you gits made. I mean you left us with poor healthcare and economic instability. I thought you english would have better manners than that.


And the Louisiana Territories, and the territories owned by Spain, and the territories controlled by the Czar of all the Russias.


Did you purposely leave out the Dutch and Vikings? And anyway is Killkrazy starting to sound Canadian or what?


GG

edit....ahtman beat me to the Dutch but I think I'm the first to point out the Viking connection!!

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The Great State of Texas

Vikings never made it to the USA. Dutch, yea missed them.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Frazzled wrote:Vikings never made it to the USA. Dutch, yea missed them.


The Vikings visited America in the 11th Century. As is the subject of several Icelandic sagas and I also believe, archaeological evidence.

   
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SilverMK2 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Vikings never made it to the USA. Dutch, yea missed them.


The Vikings visited America in the 11th Century. As is the subject of several Icelandic sagas and I also believe, archaeological evidence.


He didn't say they didn't arrive in North America, just that they didn't arrive in the USA. I'm not sure if he is joking in that he is referring to the USA as a country or the geographical region that would compromise what would become the USA.

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In your base, ignoring your logic.

They visited america's hat, Canada.
   
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Ahtman wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Vikings never made it to the USA. Dutch, yea missed them.


The Vikings visited America in the 11th Century. As is the subject of several Icelandic sagas and I also believe, archaeological evidence.


He didn't say they didn't arrive in North America, just that they didn't arrive in the USA. I'm not sure if he is joking in that he is referring to the USA as a country or the geographical region that would compromise what would become the USA.


not joking. I'm only referring to nations that controlled some part of the US at some time. As far as I know, yea folk of Swedish Meatballs three nevr made it that far south.

Now think about that. What if they had made it to better climes like, er Virginia?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Point taken. I was blocking together North America with the USA as one and the same...

Though I think that Vikings probably would have been happier to continue to stay in Canada

   
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