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CKO wrote:
Oh buddy guard does it alot better, I am surprise you found away to do it with marines, I never considered combat squads.

Marines do it best. They have a lot of options and other units (Null field, combat squads) that make them the best.

There are other armies that you can do this with as well, but the Marines do it the best.

There are a lot of builds that IG will have trouble will that they have no answer for.

There is no way marines can outshoot guard, and the midrange game is not as simple as most people think.

CKO wrote:There is no way marines can outshoot guard, and the midrange game is not as simple as most people think.

I never said that they could.

Blackmoor wrote:

CKO wrote:There is no way marines can outshoot guard, and the midrange game is not as simple as most people think.

I never said that they could.

If your getting outshot by Guard then you need to get to them quick to assault. Let the marine and Guard shooting elements trade fire back and forth. Marines can lose that firefight against certain Guard lists, however Guard will need to redirect fire to the incoming attack bikes (3+ cover save from turbo boosting) or risk getting assaulted. Even Guard tanks can be taken down with krak grenades to the rear armor. Krak grenades to the rear can be effective as the wrecked tank might be able to provide LOS blocking terrain for the bikes on the next turn. Now with attack bikes in their lines the Guard return fire to the marine guns across the board will start to dwindle as they turn to deal with the more immediate threat and the marine shooting can start to take a toll.

It's not foolproof, but it can work.

Attack bikes wrecking havoc highly unlikely, chimeltas will take out attack bikes easy, but I get what you are saying.

I demand that this thread take me to Cuba!

(apparently jumping into this thread requires one to hijack it at least a bit)

That being said, the list is solid. I too have stumbled upon the secret of the SM codex - play to their strengths. Their strengths are being better than what the other guy is bad at.

It seems counterintuitive that an all comers list would do really well, but that has been my experience with them so I am not at all surprised that the person did so well with that list. As for thunderfire cannons, I am all atwitter for them - I have 3 in my current list! They are really good, and the techmarines are a great PITA if the cannon gets destroyed - they are 2+ with both a flamer and plasma and powerfists to boot. There have been games that I wanted the cannon to die so my techmarine could go rambo.

I tried out the cannon after seeing this. Works great. I love dropping that stupid tremors round on bunched up tanks. After a slight revamping of my old marine army, I am doing much better with a newer more rounded list. I basically took my old one and made the squads more versatile. Thanks darhtdiggler, youve helped a marine player tactically, instead of providing a cookie cutter forum army list. Thats something to be proud of.

oh crap, this thread just helped make smurf players stronger? THAT WAS NOT THE GOAL!

Honestly I think timmeh deserves much the credit here also, as he was the one who created the discussion.

Ha! This is Darth's worst nightmare lol

I was going to do a Chaos version of Darth’s list for the Wild West Shootout in a couple of weeks, but I needed a few models to make it work, but I did not have the time to paint them.

I might do it over the winter for Adepticon, but I might not have the time.

Blackmoor wrote:I was going to do a Chaos version of Darth’s list for the Wild West Shootout in a couple of weeks, but I needed a few models to make it work, but I did not have the time to paint them.

I might do it over the winter for Adepticon, but I might not have the time.

I have been trying to make a chaos version for a long time and in my mind I keep coming up short. I'd love to see what you've got.

I too had an idea for a pretty cool chaos shooty army. One i feel would be unique, something nobody else would have thought of or fielded. It would look like this
2 lash princes
9 obliterators
as many plague marines as i can fit into the army, 2 meltas, combi melta, power fist and rhino in each squad.
I wont share with you how i play on using it though, thats a secret.

Eidolon wrote:I too had an idea for a pretty cool chaos shooty army. One i feel would be unique, something nobody else would have thought of or fielded. It would look like this
2 lash princes
9 obliterators
as many plague marines as i can fit into the army, 2 meltas, combi melta, power fist and rhino in each squad.
I wont share with you how i play on using it though, thats a secret.