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Pro-choice does make a hell of a lot more sense. In all fairness, Pro-lifers, should be called Anti-choicers. We all know why they don't call themselves that though... vice versa I guess? Maybe?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I was just thinking, everyone is 'Pro Life'.

It's a dreadful term, as though anyone who believes in the right of a woman to make a choice is 'Anti-Life'.

It is one reason why the argument will never end. One side is arguing that the government shouldn't interfere with these family decisions and the other that killing is wrong (unless it is an adult usually). They aren't arguing the same point: governmental limits vs morality. It is why it makes for a great wedge issue when it comes time to raise election funds. It is why it is also presented as a simple problem when it is actually a very complex issue.

Given the separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, I don't understand why this is even being allowed to happen.

This is the paradox of the US that I can't get my head around. You sing the praises of your constitution and fight to protect it, but the first one in the list says to basically keep religion out of politics, yet you have all those right wing / centre religious groups trying to control the laws of your country.

Hmmm...

It's fairly evident, from my visits to the US, that the average American is far more religious than the average Brit.

Given that and the fact that religions have preset moral guidelines on how to live and interact with others, the mix between politics and religion in the US is perfectly understandable.

The First Amendment is geared to prevention of religious leaders becoming politicial leaders, or that was my understanding of it's intention. If #% of a democracy have a certain belief or outlook, that belief or outlook will hold an equal % of political weight.

It's been an eventful , if uneven and perhaps DUI, ride but this thread, alas, appears to have been done to death and is going to all manner of places..places , perhaps, as yet unbrowsed by man or beast...

..err...anyway..thread locking in 3..2..1...